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Letro safe as permanent AI?

Try to dial your dosage in for TRT to where you do NOT need to use an AI/SERM.
The Idea of TRT is a long term one, AI/SERM cause LOTS of different indirect sides/discomfort.
They may be used initially when setting your dosage protocol to control the spill of what you are overtaking, but even that your body will NORMALIZE around....
Meaning, if your at 200mg/week and that puts you in your TRT zone but you have spillage(Aromatization). That spillage is in response to the NEW level of test your body is detecting in response to the therapy... and 6 weeks down the line it will balance things out.
If you know your aromtase enzyme right off the bat, your body will take LOOOOTSS longer to adapt, and balance T:E ratios.
Try as best you can NOT to use the ancillary drugs as par of your long term TRT therapy.

Realistically, that would be around 50mg per week, I imagine. Since even on 100mg, I have zero sexual function unless I take at least 12.5mg of exemestane daily. At that point though, my testosterone is pretty much as low as before I started TRT, kind of defeating the purpose of even taking anything, and also making blasting impossible...... which leads to me to my whole thing of perhaps just having to keep test very low, 50mg or so, adding in a good 200-300mg of Masteron to keep things happy, and blasting on Tren.
 
Realistically, that would be around 50mg per week, I imagine. Since even on 100mg, I have zero sexual function unless I take at least 12.5mg of exemestane daily. At that point though, my testosterone is pretty much as low as before I started TRT, kind of defeating the purpose of even taking anything, and also making blasting impossible...... which leads to me to my whole thing of perhaps just having to keep test very low, 50mg or so, adding in a good 200-300mg of Masteron to keep things happy, and blasting on Tren.

Have you tried Emeric's protocol of 10 mg/day test cyp Sub Q? I think that might work well for you.
 
You've said in other posts you're doing this under doctor supervision. Why isn't your doctor helping to figure this part out?
 
But I'd like to have sex.....

I say that jokingly but I don't think anyone is getting that the gyno is the least of my worries. It's the fact that my dick becomes absolutely useless, I have no libido, I'm tired all day and have no desire to really do much of anything. Oh yeah and my nipples are a little achey.....but I could totally live with that.

I feel really good at or under 20. Even on 100mg of TRT, with no ai, like I said my sensitive e2 was 32. You could have put 20 hot naked women in front of me, my dick wouldn't even flinch. On 100mg, give me 1/2 an aromasin daily and I come back to life.

I know it's "too much" and higher estrogen is better etc. but at the end of the day , and I don't say this to be argumentative, but I want to have sex, I want to have drive to get out of bed and tackle life, I want to feel good..... if that means going against popular opinion and walking around with estrogen in teens, it's what I have to do.

Most people have very good libido with moderate e2 levels, even a little too high, it's low e2 that kills most people's sex drive but there are plenty of reasons for exceptions. Test and e2 compete, so it may be that your sex drive is low at 32 because your test is too low relative to that number.

Go with what makes you feel good first, use the least amount of ai necessary second, and get bloodwork done to be sure.
 
You've said in other posts you're doing this under doctor supervision. Why isn't your doctor helping to figure this part out?

The doctor is just there to back me up with bloodwork, she's not going to prescribe or recommend steroids and ancillary drugs.
 
Have you tried Emeric's protocol of 10 mg/day test cyp Sub Q? I think that might work well for you.

It's ok. I had no estrogen issues with it, but I also didn't really get much benefit. Blasting an actual bodybuilding dose would render it useless.
 
Most people have very good libido with moderate e2 levels, even a little too high, it's low e2 that kills most people's sex drive but there are plenty of reasons for exceptions. Test and e2 compete, so it may be that your sex drive is low at 32 because your test is too low relative to that number.

Go with what makes you feel good first, use the least amount of ai necessary second, and get bloodwork done to be sure.

Could be. I somehow doubt it though, at 100mg per week with 500iu HCG per week I'm at 790ng/dl at the absolute lowest trough. 200mg puts me in the 950 range. That should be adequate, IMO.

I realize 32 is good for most and that's fine, but my dick doesn't even move at 32. I'm all for least amount of AI necessary, it just sucks having to be alone every weekend because I can't have sex. I'd rather be a bit unhealthy with a very good drive.
 
Could be. I somehow doubt it though, at 100mg per week with 500iu HCG per week I'm at 790ng/dl at the absolute lowest trough. 200mg puts me in the 950 range. That should be adequate, IMO.

I realize 32 is good for most and that's fine, but my dick doesn't even move at 32. I'm all for least amount of AI necessary, it just sucks having to be alone every weekend because I can't have sex. I'd rather be a bit unhealthy with a very good drive.

HCG always inflames my gyno, I only use it when I blast and am using an AI.

Also, it sounds like you should check prolactin levels.
 
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HCG always inflames my gyno, I only use it when I blast and am using an AI.

Also, it sounds like you should check prolactin levels.

Wanted to thank you for all your advice.

I know I seem a bit argumentative but it's more a general frustration. I've been lifting about 20 years, I was on gear for about 4 of those years over a decade ago and I never got gyno or anything. Decided I'm really bored with looking "alright", wanted to get back on and challenge myself for a physique show sometime in the fall of 2020, so taking all of 2019 to just experiment with what my body likes and dislikes, and apparently my body has changed lol.

HCG has always been something I've wanted to toss out. I feel nothing, good or bad, at all from it. The fertility thing is actually a negative for me as I don't want kids. I only keep it around because i'm terrified of my testicles shrinking, I don't know how small they would get or if it's all myth but I AM scared of it.

While I won't need to be huge for physique, I do have a goal to stay much more dry and lean year round while maintaining size. I've scoped some of the locals out and they are only about 5-10lbs bigger than me tops, pretty flat, but just diced year round (a lot of us workout at the same 3-4 gyms, so I see them shirtless year-round and I'm NOT on that level)

I do wonder if upping my test is actually counterproductive to the look I'm after, but I still have a year to experiment. If this doesn't work, I might try a lower dose Rip-Blend type of deal rather than blasting and cruising:

Something like
Test 37.5-50 eod
Mast 50-75 eod
Tren Ace 50-75 eod (with singulair ED and caber on hand if needed)

I figure I could really lower the AI's on something like this. And it would be a year round thing with the Tren being 10 weeks on/10 weeks off to let my body rest from it. But I won't try that until around March, I need to see if I can work with the Testosterone for a good 12-15 weeks before I make any changes.
 
Kaladryn gave you some VERY good pointers.
I only recommend treating E2 if it really need to be, a little high is not a reason to panic, at that dose it will adjust back to normal and as mentioned, a little on the higher side, will NOT lower your Libido or the possibility of achieving and erection. Those range numbers are just numbers...you only need to be close to that.
Again, as mentioned prolactin could be a culprit but at your dose???
Are you getting a good nights sleep?
Could you have a mental block temporarily?
 
Kaladryn gave you some VERY good pointers.
I only recommend treating E2 if it really need to be, a little high is not a reason to panic, at that dose it will adjust back to normal and as mentioned, a little on the higher side, will NOT lower your Libido or the possibility of achieving and erection. Those range numbers are just numbers...you only need to be close to that.
Again, as mentioned prolactin could be a culprit but at your dose???
Are you getting a good nights sleep?
Could you have a mental block temporarily?

I completely agree, he is a wealth of knowledge and I'm super grateful. But from personal experience, for me, it doesn't reset. I started TRT at 100mg, that put me at 790ng/dl with sensitive e2 at 32. Sorry to be graphic but I couldn't even masturbate, it was lifeless. I let go just to see it would resolve itself, needless to say at one point I took 2 cialis pills when on a date and still couldn't even get it mildly hard. I also had the itchy nipples (i don't get terrible gyno, just a bit of pain). A week of letrozole at 1 pill for 4 days, half a pill for 4 days and 1/4 pill for four days and I couldn't even sleep because I had to get off at night to get it to go down.

It's been the same for the last four years. on 100-200mg, 1/2 an aromasin daily is OK, but after a few weeks I need a good week or two of letro to feel really good.
 
It's a trade off for sure with letro, as the man Dante Trudel pointed out alot of BB'ers who prefered 'wet' cycles like Mentzer died from heart complications. He also pointed out there was MUCH more to it than just estrogen but its just something to think about, whats more important subpar lipids or high e2/BP? Though if I had bad lipids and high e2 i'd look to make some srs changes.
 
Surprising because my erections are better when i have some estrogen floating in my system. Letro would probably kill my sex drive, or at the least the ability to cum.


That's scary and what worries me.

I did try to just hang on doing 1/2 an aromasin tab daily with 200mg of TRT last year for a few months but it just kept getting worse and more painful, so did the letro for about a week and issue solved.

I know people say nolva but it's not just my nipples, it's my erections and overall drive just take a huge hit.

I suppose I could just do Aromasin and then add in the letro once every month or two to keep myself feeling ok.

I want to try to make the test work. Part of me feels like my body will respond much better to very low test, 70-100mg TOPS with 100-200 of masteron as a cruise and with 400-600 Tren as a blast.

I really want to give the test a few months though, but as you can see, even with a decent Masteron dose and TBH a fairly high daily aromasin dose, I stil get e2 iissues. On 200mg I thought my e2 was going to be through the roof, and it was only 32 (it was 32 at 100 too, oddly enough) so I'm very sensitive to it since I don't think most people would have issues at 32 (sensitive test)
 
It's a trade off for sure with letro, as the man Dante Trudel pointed out alot of BB'ers who prefered 'wet' cycles like Mentzer died from heart complications. He also pointed out there was MUCH more to it than just estrogen but its just something to think about, whats more important subpar lipids or high e2/BP? Though if I had bad lipids and high e2 i'd look to make some srs changes.

I thought e2 was cardioprotective/ or lipid protective. Probably till a certain extend
 
I thought e2 was cardioprotective/ or lipid protective. Probably till a certain extend

thats my belief, but we have no real evidence other than empirical so its just a guess.
 
I thought e2 was cardioprotective/ or lipid protective. Probably till a certain extend

High E2 is bad for the prostate, promotes cancer growth, and can cause some kinds of cancer in both men and women. It increases HDL cholesterol, but there is no direct evidence that is it is necessarily cardioprotective (see: the cholesterol saga)...
 
But I'd like to have sex.....

I say that jokingly but I don't think anyone is getting that the gyno is the least of my worries. It's the fact that my dick becomes absolutely useless, I have no libido, I'm tired all day and have no desire to really do much of anything. Oh yeah and my nipples are a little achey.....but I could totally live with that.

I feel really good at or under 20. Even on 100mg of TRT, with no ai, like I said my sensitive e2 was 32. You could have put 20 hot naked women in front of me, my dick wouldn't even flinch. On 100mg, give me 1/2 an aromasin daily and I come back to life.

I know it's "too much" and higher estrogen is better etc. but at the end of the day , and I don't say this to be argumentative, but I want to have sex, I want to have drive to get out of bed and tackle life, I want to feel good..... if that means going against popular opinion and walking around with estrogen in teens, it's what I have to do.

It might not be a estrogen problem with your libido. You might want to look at this thread.
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...forum/148258-how-i-got-me-sex-drive-back.html
I got my libdo back with cialis, caber and priviron.
 

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