Listen to Dante.. get your calcium scores

[Swifto]

Im 51... my dad had a quintuple bypass in his 40s bit was a smoker. Ive lived a healthy lifestyle with no drugs(OTHER THAN PEDS), dont drink and eat clean.

I just asked for one and my doc ordered it. It was $150 and insurance wont cover it.

This was just a ct... next step is cardio doc.

You need a CT angiogram now.

I have heard about cases showing many hundreds for standard CT, but 0 for CT angiogram.

 

[Real Steele]

You need a CT angiogram now.

I have heard about cases showing many hundreds for standard CT, but 0 for CT angiogram.

Starting all of those tests. My hs crp was high and adoB was high. I have active stuff going on for sure. Just need to see what blockages might be and prevent further.

Ive talked with someone and he has a plan for me to try. I want say who or what but will be looking at another check in 6 months.

 

[BBSQ5]

I did CT calcium score in December and was 0, but I want to get the CT w/angiogram and the Heart Echo. Not sure which one though between transthoracic or transesophageal, but I definitely want to see my heart function and whatnot.

 

[buck]

You can do things - taking a statin will help solidify ur current plaque by driving the LDL fat particle out of the plaque leaving it more calcified and much less likely to rupture - driving ur LDL under forty will stop the progression of the disease - a lot of cardio can widen ur arteries making them more pliable if a lesion was restricting flow - lowering inflammation also can help arteries and aid in slowing plaque growth - ur approaching things like u have heart disease when ur heart is probably fine - u have a plumbing problem is a better way to approach it - if u haven’t had a nuclear stress test u should get one - it will definitively tell you if ur heart is getting adequate blood flow - everyone dies with some level of blockage if they live long enough - you just want to make sure that blockage is not significant enough to restrict blood flow enough to cause a heart attack or let a piece of the blockage rupture and travel to a more narrow artery

You are making a lot of assumption. And didn't read my post to carefully. I am an old guy so i started reading about heart disease/statins decades ago. I have been doing aerobics of some type since the 1970's as i wrote above. Testing shows no plaque build up in the arteries. Only to the outside it seems. According to medical opinion if some one has any calcium score over zero they have heart disease from my reading. If something is causing a high CAC score while doing healthy things all my life things other then cycles(which my blood work was always good on or off) then the driving factor is not one of the usual players. That is the reason the last cardiologist said that statins would not likely help me.

 

[NEMSZ]

Starting all of those tests. My hs crp was high and adoB was high. I have active stuff going on for sure. Just need to see what blockages might be and prevent further.

Ive talked with someone and he has a plan for me to try. I want say who or what but will be looking at another check in 6 months.

Well having high inflammation and high Apo B will do it. So not much of a mystery after all.. Having calcium in your arteries is the result of your body responding to said plaque/inflammation by calcifying it and stabilizing it.

I’m 35, got a CT done and had a score of 15, had it done 2 years later and had a 17, so not much movement but I was still paranoid being so young. Went to a sports cardiologist and got a CT Angiogram and all was good, it’s just a small bit of calcified plaque from what we both suspect was inflammation from a terrible lifestyle in my 20’s (lots of drinking, drugs and bad food for years).

With hard training, eating clean but I still enjoy foods I want to eat, cardio/BJJ and your basic health supps (Nattokinase, Kyolic Garlic, Ubiquinol, Multivitamins etc) my Apo B literally stays around 60. That’s without any statins or PCSK inhibitors.

I know “everyone is different blah blah blah” we’re all a bunch of unique snowflakes etc..

But reality is you’re probably doing or were doing something that’s causing your Apo B and CRP to be high and cause inflammation/plaque in your arteries.

Also, why keep the protocol a secret? I don’t get it. To be like kindergarten? “I know something you don’t know.”

 

[Swifto]

Starting all of those tests. My hs crp was high and adoB was high. I have active stuff going on for sure. Just need to see what blockages might be and prevent further.

Ive talked with someone and he has a plan for me to try. I want say who or what but will be looking at another check in 6 months.

This may be helpful, it's what I'd run if my CT was not 0.

Koncentrated K - Vitamin K1,MK4, MK7 with Astaxanthin

The Vitamin K family plays in the wellbeing of the body, including a published, peer-reviewed research establishing the link between vitamin K and heart health, bone health, its anti-cancer properties, along with a wealth of other immune boosting properti

www.k-vitamins.com

 

[seymoor77]

You are making a lot of assumption. And didn't read my post to carefully. I am an old guy so i started reading about heart disease/statins decades ago. I have been doing aerobics of some type since the 1970's as i wrote above. Testing shows no plaque build up in the arteries. Only to the outside it seems. According to medical opinion if some one has any calcium score over zero they have heart disease from my reading. If something is causing a high CAC score while doing healthy things all my life things other then cycles(which my blood work was always good on or off) then the driving factor is not one of the usual players. That is the reason the last cardiologist said that statins would not likely help me.

Doing healthy things is wonderful - but is probably not very significant - ur issue is genetic (mine too) - but ur cardiologist is misinformed - i posted who my father is in the Retatrutide thread - i have information that comes from the top researchers in the world - like Yale, Oxford, Harvard and Stanford - u need to get the soft particle (LDL) out of the plaque profile leaving the plaque made up of mostly only rock hard calcium deposits which is less likely to rupture and trigger an event

 

[buck]

Doing healthy things is wonderful - but is probably not very significant - ur issue is genetic (mine too) - but ur cardiologist is misinformed - i posted who my father is in the Retatrutide thread - i have information that comes from the top researchers in the world - like Yale, Oxford, Harvard and Stanford - u need to get the soft particle (LDL) out of the plaque profile leaving the plaque made up of mostly only rock hard calcium deposits which is less likely to rupture and trigger an event

Mine may be genetic but i have never had my genes mapped or science may not have it all figured out yet. Research is a great but opinions differ.

 

[xman78]

My calcium score with a CT was about 620 on an angiogram it was 510 a few months earlier. For decades i have had healthy diet, aerobics, low cholesterol, BP, glucose, good apoB, Lipo(a) etc. Last cardiologist thought statins wouldn't help me any as i was already where they would shoot for. He said i was unlucky, i replied modern science does not have a full understanding yet. He didn't disagree. What ever is driving my level's is not the usual suspects. There is only trying to modify things that are already good to make them better and hoping it helps. I sort of regret getting the test done. Not that i recommend others don't get it. But info that i can't do much with is not a great help.

Vitamin K2 MK-7 will help remove calcium deposits from the arteries, as a nattokinase supplement at 1gr per day will remove the plaques from the arteries

vitamin k2 mk7 - Search Results - PMC

vitamin k2 mk7 - Search Results - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[buck]

Vitamin K2 MK-7 will help remove calcium deposits from the arteries, as a nattokinase supplement at 1gr per day will remove the plaques from the arteries

vitamin k2 mk7 - Search Results - PMC

vitamin k2 mk7 - Search Results - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thanks. Been doing those 3 for the last couple years or so. Be getting my score redone soon to see where things are at. Been 4 years since my last CAC test

 

[xman78]

nattokinase atherosclerotic plaques - Search Results - PMC

nattokinase atherosclerotic plaques - Search Results - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

nattokinase it is effective at the dose of 10000 FU day

 

[Knight9]

Yes, Nattokinase as 10-12000fu/day. Study was done @10,800fu.
Vitamin K2 Mk-7
REAL Pomgranate Juice
Aged Kyolic Garlic
possibly even Berberine


are great things to look into.

 

[Brock456]

Yes, Nattokinase as 10-12000fu/day. Study was done @10,800fu.
Vitamin K2 Mk-7
REAL Pomgranate Juice
Aged Kyolic Garlic
possibly even Berberine


are great things to look into.

I thought I read that Dante said 2000-4000 FU/day and that more did not actually mean better

 

[Knight9]

I thought I read that Dante said 2000-4000 FU/day and that more did not actually mean better

No. And if he did, it was years ago when he introduced it to the board - before the newest data. From what I have read, 4k didn't do anything significant but 10,800fu did.

 

[Brock456]

No. And if he did, it was years ago when he introduced it to the board - before the newest data. From what I have read, 4k didn't do anything significant but 10,800fu did.

well he did. I found the post from 2021 on his IG. Not that long ago.
Not sure what year the newest data was released.

 

[Real Steele]

Well having high inflammation and high Apo B will do it. So not much of a mystery after all.. Having calcium in your arteries is the result of your body responding to said plaque/inflammation by calcifying it and stabilizing it.

I’m 35, got a CT done and had a score of 15, had it done 2 years later and had a 17, so not much movement but I was still paranoid being so young. Went to a sports cardiologist and got a CT Angiogram and all was good, it’s just a small bit of calcified plaque from what we both suspect was inflammation from a terrible lifestyle in my 20’s (lots of drinking, drugs and bad food for years).

With hard training, eating clean but I still enjoy foods I want to eat, cardio/BJJ and your basic health supps (Nattokinase, Kyolic Garlic, Ubiquinol, Multivitamins etc) my Apo B literally stays around 60. That’s without any statins or PCSK inhibitors.

I know “everyone is different blah blah blah” we’re all a bunch of unique snowflakes etc..

But reality is you’re probably doing or were doing something that’s causing your Apo B and CRP to be high and cause inflammation/plaque in your arteries.

Also, why keep the protocol a secret? I don’t get it. To be like kindergarten? “I know something you don’t know.”

Ill call a spade a spade when its there. But legitimately other than competition years PEDs(last show 2014) I only use trt with GH. Im 27 years no drugs, alcohol or etc. I eat 80 percent or better clean. My dad had his heart attack at 45. I know there is a genetic piece here.

As for not giving out the protocol I was asked not to due to arguments that ensued when Dante talked openly about it. Someone on here already found his old post.

I also want to do my own experiment so I can say "yes this worked for me" before ai tell everyone to run out and do it.

@Knight9 is pretty much correct with his post #32 in this thread

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

I thought I read that Dante said 2000-4000 FU/day and that more did not actually mean better

no you are mistaken. I actually like people taking 6000 and 6000 fus both morn and night.

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[DOGGCRAPP]

I am not going to type this all up again....this is what I have been recommending for years on the supplement front. So I am just going to cut and paste this email I sent to a bb named Chris a few years back that i usually just reform to people according to themselves but using this as a base so I dont have to type it all up again: below

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I am going to send you my recommendations and what i would do and also some proof to the pudding.


Anything over 300 coronary calcium score is listed as risk for heart attack for the next 5-10 years.


But lets regress this plaque to the best of our ability.


Things we need to stay away from. All orals especially anavar. THESE PEOPLE WHO SAY ANAVAR IS SAFE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT! I have seen so many physique competitors and classic competitors bloodwork now where they used anavar chronically because their trainers told them it was safe and they all have huge buildups of plaque...it plummets hdl like no tommorow...so please stay away from all orals and especially anavar. I have seen 6 or so small time competitors over the last few years with CCS's of 350 plus and every single one of them did long durations of var. 2) do not plummet your estradiol. The reason women have less heart attacks than men pre menopause is because estradiol is cardio protective..so doing AI's in large amounts and such are detrimental if you drive estradiol too low. If you absolutely have to have an AI, use liquid version and microdose it if even using it at all....use the lowest dose you can. If i was you, in a generaly sense i would use predominantly a higher protein, fibrous veggies (mashed cauliflower etc etc) good fats diet with cashews and almonds being the good fats (and avocado etc) and lower carbs if you can. Post workout you can eat high protein high carbs and minimal fats because your body is like a sponge there but the rest of the day.....try to eat like the above.

I truly believe this...if you do 1-6 below i believe in 12 months youll be down pretty far plaque wise....at two years of doing all the below steadily and not missing any doses i believe you will be down pretty dramatically and years if you keep doing it i think youll get down to a very acceptable number but this will involve you being steadfast and not missing doses of supps and such. Ive done it with others and it will happen for you if you stay the course.


Im going to show you what i think you should do and then simple links (i am not going to list all) to the reasons we are doing it ok?

Below in these links CIMT is plaque for your reference ok

1) Nattokinase i suggest (right now anyway) doctors best version and 4000fus morning and night ok so 8000fus a day (thats 2 capsules morning and 2 more at night). Better yet i like 6000 and 6000 FUS morn and night Why? 36.6% reduction in plaque size!!!! Thats massive https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28763875/ This will regress plaque greatly over time.


2) Citrus Bergamot i suggest jarrow version because its real... huge reduction of plaque over 6 months..massive! https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4702027/ you need at the minimum 1000mg morn and 1000mg night so thats 2 capsules morn and 2 capsules night


3) Berberine we need 1000mg morn and 1000mg night of this 2 caps morn and 2 caps night. I was going to list studies for this but there are so many Chris ill just list a link that you can look thru them https://www.google.com/search?q=ber...CCLACAfEFW8dmDSsVoo4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


4) High EPA fish oil - Fish oil at over 4 grams of epa has been shown to reduce plaque...not as well as 1,2 and 3 up above but enough that i think it should be included. I use this version because i know its legit because i know one of the owners https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QHP2ZNQ?ref=nb_sb_ss_w_as-reorder_k0_1_8&amp=&crid=3SOJ0TNEQ991R&sprefix=fish+oil&th=1 I personally cannot take that many fish oils because i just cannot deal with it in large amounts due to it gives me the hiccups and such but i take 4 of these pre bed...and have no problem. One side note on these Chris you will see within a week is you will wake up a little fuller and rounder muscularly than usual. It really knocks down inflammation and youll also see that in your physique.


https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.132.suppl_3.12007

5) Organic pomegranate juice (30% reduction after one year of IMT (plaque) huge! https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15158307/ Chris put about 6 ounces of organic pomegranate juice (NOT FROM CONCENTRATE)...in your intra workout drink ok https://www.researchgate.net/public...diabetic_patients_on_serum_and_on_macrophages


6) Aged garlic but this is more for soft plaque and i dont consider this absolutely necessary at this time Chris but only if you want to add it https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26764322/ https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/01/160121122158.htm#google_vignette If i was you i would add it but i am going to leave it up to you.


Other options available but i dont think we need to do at this time Chris


https://www.researchgate.net/public...rogression_of_carotid_atherosclerotic_plaques


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24452082/


https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/pharmacology/articles/10.3389/fphar.2020.00512/full


1, 2, and 3 are the most important, 4, 5, and 6 are ranked just below them...but if you want the best bang for your buck...doing 1 thru 6 WILL reduce your plaque and you absolutely will not have to go on a statin because 1 and 2 will pretty much do everything a statin does without the side effects.

any questions on any of this Crhis let me know im here for you ( I think i covered the gamut but i might have forgot a thing or two if it comes to me ill send it over )


Dante

 

[Real Steele]

no you are mistaken. I actually like people taking 6000 and 6000 fus both morn and night.

There you go! I will always trust this man over everyone else out there. He has been years ahead of everyone else and out of respect will not divulge our conversations.

 

[Hulk69]

Is it okay to take nattokinase with eliquis?