LIVER IS FUCKED

[sub7percent]

It's hard to say. I have used a few different TUDCA's products and their effectiveness seems to differ quite a lot. I have heard about people using TUDCA and not getting any results too. The first time I used TUDCA it worked great (can't think of the brand but a white container). I didn't get blood work done but I could see/feel the difference. However synthergine is great everytime I use it. The whites of my eyes go bright and I can see/feel the difference in many areas. I would say synthergine is a better liver detoxifier but a much better overall health product.

Thanks. I may give it a shot but it is on he expensive side for me one bottle would last about a month. I used Antaeus Labs Aegis which was getting me about 500mg TUDCA and 1.2g PPC (polyenylphosphatidylcholone) per day after an Anadrol run and it brought my numbers down pretty quickly.


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[Rainmanisback]

Well I decided it was time to come off everything and clean out get my health right.... haven't felt right in a while and haven't been taking care of myself (binge drinking on the weekends , blasting gear shit diet)

I knew that my lipid profile would be off because I had just gotten off cycle but my doctors eyes almost bugged out of her head and said that I need to see a liver specialist IMMEDIATELY my levels are TERRIBLE AND IF I DONT MAKE A DRASTIC CHANGE RIGHT NOW IM HEADED FOR A LIVER TRANSPLANT

NORM
AST 121. 10-40.
ALT 302 9-46
LD 234. 100-220

She said that she ran a secondary test which shows all normal range which is my only saving grace because had they been off I would be in the "critical" zone

OBVIOUSLY IM SCARED SHITLESS.

any of you Bros been that high before? ANY EXPERIENCES ARE APPRECIATED


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Last January I had a similar issue with my liver values, actually mine were worst...

AST 115
ALT 411
LD 249

In my case I do not drink or take orals so that was not my issue like in your case, and my cycle was a mid cycle of 400 Prop, 400 Tren Ace and 400 Deca.

My problem according to the doctor was that for the first time I tried to bulk with a huge amount of carbs, around 1000 grams per day and that made my liver fatty... so values can be off for many reasons, but not necessarily means your liver is fucked...

 

[G.I.Bro]

Last January I had a similar issue with my liver values, actually mine were worst...

AST 115
ALT 411
LD 249

In my case I do not drink or take orals so that was not my issue like in your case, and my cycle was a mid cycle of 400 Prop, 400 Tren Ace and 400 Deca.

My problem according to the doctor was that for the first time I tried to bulk with a huge amount of carbs, around 1000 grams per day and that made my liver fatty... so values can be off for many reasons, but not necessarily means your liver is fucked...

My ALT goes up more when I eat tons of crap on a bulk for a couple months than it does on moderate AAS. Really High calorie + bad fats gets those enzymes up for me. I belive diet is still a huge factor but everyone is different.

Those that swear by synthergine, what's your specific usage/dose?

 

[ripper99]

People with high ALT levels of 700-800 usually have newly diagnosed Hepatitis C from what I know, they will keep those numbers sometimes for 4-6 months until they get one of the new treatments available so relax OP....your ALT being 300 won't kill you.

Your liver may be slightly fibrous if you continue and Rule #1, quit all alcohol right now and quit eating shit for awhile and your AST/ALT will come back down to normal levels.

Take some NAC also.

 

[fit2grow]

Any orals I always take nac. Lucky this isn't your kidneys. Give your body a break and eat very clean for awhile and up your water intake. Then after a month get another blood work up

 

[almightyalpha]

Well I decided it was time to come off everything and clean out get my health right.... haven't felt right in a while and haven't been taking care of myself (binge drinking on the weekends , blasting gear shit diet)

I knew that my lipid profile would be off because I had just gotten off cycle but my doctors eyes almost bugged out of her head and said that I need to see a liver specialist IMMEDIATELY my levels are TERRIBLE AND IF I DONT MAKE A DRASTIC CHANGE RIGHT NOW IM HEADED FOR A LIVER TRANSPLANT

NORM
AST 121. 10-40.
ALT 302 9-46
LD 234. 100-220

She said that she ran a secondary test which shows all normal range which is my only saving grace because had they been off I would be in the "critical" zone

OBVIOUSLY IM SCARED SHITLESS.

any of you Bros been that high before? ANY EXPERIENCES ARE APPRECIATED


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This kind of post pisses me off because it gives other athletes who use AAS a horrible name and reputation. Drinking on cycle? Not taking proper protection???? That's bogus and you should NEVER touch gear again.

 

[almightyalpha]

Who binge drinks on the weekends?? What are you, 22 years old? That shit is childish and you've just proven this lifestyle is NOT for you. I hope you recover well and I hope you never touch gear again.

 

[lntense]

That's bogus and you should NEVER touch gear again.

I hope you recover well and I hope you never touch gear again.

....but what if he touches gear again tho?

 

[brucepancake]

On one of the new PED radio shows they talk about taking Tudca and other liver sups on cycle and how it can lower the effectiveness of the orals. They suggested taking it when not using orals.

 

[MouthBreather]

I use orals pre work out because they give me much better results than test alone and I don't like other injectables. Would adding test suspension on work out days to my regular test dose yield the same results as orals on work out days?

This thread has me thinking orals aren't worth it. Maybe I will give NPP a try again or experiment with other suspensions pre work out. Thanks guys.

 

[Synthetek]

My ALT goes up more when I eat tons of crap on a bulk for a couple months than it does on moderate AAS. Really High calorie + bad fats gets those enzymes up for me. I belive diet is still a huge factor but everyone is different.

Those that swear by synthergine, what's your specific usage/dose?

The directed dose on the bottle is more than enough for 99% of our customers who have asked for direction and then followed up with feedback on their results and subsequent orders.

 

[MouthBreather1982]

I'm taking these right now. I found the most cost effective way is to buy the powder and cap it myself. I get about 500mg inositol per cap and 750mg/choline cap. I do 2/3 caps respectively morning and night.


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Why does this help? and where are you guys guys getting your tudca from? do you take at a different time than you take the orals themselves?

 

[Mike Arnold]

If anyone is going to go heavy on the orals, aside from cardiovascular support (which is an absolute must), you should also be using: TUDCA/UDCA, Milk Thistle (standardized), and NAC.

All three of those are heavy hitters in the liver support world...and all 3 have EXTENSIVE clinical support proving their effectiveness in this capacity.

This is all very basic information, but being that some people here don't seem to know this, I am repeating it for the 100th time.

 

[Cinder]

My levels have been higher. Udca at 600mg a day and nac at 1000mg a day has me normal when I rechecked at 3 weeks.
The thing with tudca is finding a legit brand. I said F it and just purchased real udca from a source here from india.

 

[Pusher]

....but what if he touches gear again tho?

then he'll have guys like the one above thinking they're the gatekeepers of steroid use and they get to dictate who can and cannot use anabolics. lol... people make mistakes and make poor decisions out of ignorance. not that the OP was ignorant of the risks associated with what he was doing, but more like he was ignorant of ignorant of "how bad" things can get if he did A, B, C, & D; & ignorant of how important it was to NOT do E, F, G, etc... not to mention John Doe and Joe Black can be the same age/sex/ht/wt/etc, and use the same things, eat the same things, etc... (lotta "etc's" in this post haha) and John Doe and Joe Black can have differing negative side effects, as well as differing positive results. peoples' body's differ in their response to substances. guess we're all "snowflakes" lol

 

[Pusher]

I'm surprised at all the ppl advocating the use of Milk Thistle, since the studies have shown that while the active ingredient "silymarin" is effective in a petri-dish, getting your body to absorb silymarin from milk thistle is nearly impossible.

never used TUDUCA (yet), but I've always had good results from NAC.

 

[Designbuilt]

I was pretty scared last year, I was drinking about a bottle of scotch a day for three straight months, then got up to 2 bottles... I was on AAS, but stopped, but when i'd go on, i'd do orals... I had bad pains under my heart on my right side, thought it was fatty liver... I did a 7 day liver cleanse, cleaned up my diet and take liver protectors, I only drink filtered water and I feel great... I haven't had any tests done but every seems normal now, I only drink mildly every month or two, I keep it to two drinks. I think if you get your shit together right now, you'll be fine, I spoke to a good doctor friend of mine who I can trust (I'm redesigning his office) and he told me that he's had patience with jaundice who turned out fine as long as they made a complete change in their lifestyle...

 

[heavyhitter]

I was pretty scared last year, I was drinking about a bottle of scotch a day for three straight months, then got up to 2 bottles... I was on AAS, but stopped, but when i'd go on, i'd do orals... I had bad pains under my heart on my right side, thought it was fatty liver... I did a 7 day liver cleanse, cleaned up my diet and take liver protectors, I only drink filtered water and I feel great... I haven't had any tests done but every seems normal now, I only drink mildly every month or two, I keep it to two drinks. I think if you get your shit together right now, you'll be fine, I spoke to a good doctor friend of mine who I can trust (I'm redesigning his office) and he told me that he's had patience with jaundice who turned out fine as long as they made a complete change in their lifestyle...

Everything "seems" normal? So since you don't "feel" like youre gonna die everything must be fine? Id highly recommend getting some bloodwork done brother

 

[The Rock 123]

I hate to sound cocky but I assure you just use 600 mg glutathione a week and your levels will normalize no Tudca or anything else needed

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[The Rock 123]

But definitely get lab work

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