Local Bicep Growth: IGF-LR3 and DES

[MackCoach]

So, did you acheive similar results as your previous cycle?

This was the best run with the IGF DES & LR3 that I’ve ever experienced I believe it is due to the highest quality I’ve ever used from the source.
Can’t wait to run it again. And yes back to the arms might include triceps next time.

 

[Sectør]

I just want to bump this thread.

So what's the overall concensus on igf1 lr3? I can high purity HPLC tested product. Was thinking of doing 200mcg/day, or is this too high?

Any special considerations with fat intake due to lr3 having a long half life? Would you want to keep fats to trace amounts like with insulin?

 

[MackCoach]

You don’t need anywhere near 200 mcg a day buddy

Dave palumbo talks about using as little as10mcg a day …. Personally I think that’s way to low however 40 to 60 mcg a day, maybe up to 80mcg

I was using 60 with great success

15mcg inner outer bicep heads both arms

 

[dimethyl11]

You don’t need anywhere near 200 mcg a day buddy

Dave palumbo talks about using as little as10mcg a day …. Personally I think that’s way to low however 40 to 60 mcg a day, maybe up to 80mcg

I was using 60 with great success

15mcg inner outer bicep heads both arms

What was your timing for DES?

 

[MackCoach]

What was your timing for DES?

3 minutes pre workout

 

[MackCoach]

So protocol was 60mcg locally bilat?.....just before training?....just after?.....details....thanks brotha.

40 mcg each
I recon them together so each “10” on a slim pin had 20 mcg total
4 injects total each bicep head both arms in the parking lot of the gym pre workout

 

[jfrost89]

40 mcg each
I recon them together so each “10” on a slim pin had 20 mcg total
4 injects total each bicep head both arms in the parking lot of the gym pre workout

So you did both des and lr3 pre workout? I’m going to give des and lr3 another run since I got some genlabs on sale from YMS.

I was considering des pre lr3 post the peg mgf on non training days.

Have you started yet? How’s the genlabs compare to what you used the first time?

 

[JohnnieFreeze]

Didn’t we all come to the conclusion that site enhancement growth was a myth? Or it was only temporary?

Agreed...lr3 is a good nutrient partitioner but if we're talking true hyperplasia/creation of muscle cells, then IGFBP3 or at least rh-igf 1(or perhaps even MGF) would be better options.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...usg=AOvVaw1VwMlHYX3TJGlGeVDrY3Q_&opi=89978449​

 

[MackCoach]

So you did both des and lr3 pre workout? I’m going to give des and lr3 another run since I got some genlabs on sale from YMS.

I was considering des pre lr3 post the peg mgf on non training days.

Have you started yet? How’s the genlabs compare to what you used the first time?

Yes pre workout

Since my car crash 2 weeks ago I’m now injecting both DES and LR3 at my elbow joint

Both forearm bones were broke ligaments and tendons detached

Also sticking GH

Using about 80 mcg total on the IGF’s

Hoping to heal up fast

I’m zero gym time right now going on 3 weeks

 

[Elvia1023]

I just want to bump this thread.

So what's the overall concensus on igf1 lr3? I can high purity HPLC tested product. Was thinking of doing 200mcg/day, or is this too high?

Any special considerations with fat intake due to lr3 having a long half life? Would you want to keep fats to trace amounts like with insulin?

Injecting LR3 won't give you permanent site enhancement. Injecting anything (even just bac water by itself) will give you local site enhancement and it might even feel great because of the increased swelling and pumps but it's not causing actual muscle growth. Even injecting traditional SEO which can transform your arms isn't permanent. I have done it all and LR3 is one of my fav things to run but don't think it's going to permanently increase the size of the muscle you inject it in. LR3 is like a super GDA to me and I am a massive fan but just being realistic. The only things causing permanent size are injecting things like silicone or pmma which stay in the muscle.

When guys are injecting a certain bodypart every single day what do you think will happen. Even if the injection volume is tiny those injections cause inflammation and that inflammation sends signals to the rest of your body. With SEO you have actual oil in your muscle which dissipates very slowly so that causes extra "growth" a long with the swelling which creates the illusion of even more "growth". With a small amount of LR3 you are basically just getting the swelling part of the equation which can still feel great especially if you are injecting everyday. It's only going to help grow that body part (and improve your physique) so I am by no means stating it won't help but I don't want people believing LR3 is some magical drug that causes the muscle you inject it in to grow because it simply won't.

 

[curcumin]

Injecting LR3 won't give you permanent site enhancement. Injecting anything (even just bac water by itself) will give you local site enhancement and it might even feel great because of the increased swelling and pumps but it's not causing actual muscle growth. Even injecting traditional SEO which can transform your arms isn't permanent. I have done it all and LR3 is one of my fav things to run but don't think it's going to permanently increase the size of the muscle you inject it in. LR3 is like a super GDA to me and I am a massive fan but just being realistic. The only things causing permanent size are injecting things like silicone or pmma which stay in the muscle.

When guys are injecting a certain bodypart every single day what do you think will happen. Even if the injection volume is tiny those injections cause inflammation and that inflammation sends signals to the rest of your body. With SEO you have actual oil in your muscle which dissipates very slowly so that causes extra "growth" a long with the swelling which creates the illusion of even more "growth". With a small amount of LR3 you are basically just getting the swelling part of the equation which can still feel great especially if you are injecting everyday. It's only going to help grow that body part (and improve your physique) so I am by no means stating it won't help but I don't want people believing LR3 is some magical drug that causes the muscle you inject it in to grow because it simply won't.

what about DES?

 

[MackCoach]

what about DES?

DES local yes
LR3 systematic
So they say …. I like the shotgun approach

Mack

 

[Elvia1023]

what about DES?

The same. It's not going to hurt and it needs to go in somewhere so I would always recommend that be in a weak bodypart and to do some sets to allow lactic acid to build up. Like anything try it and see how you get on with it.

 

[curcumin]

The same. It's not going to hurt and it needs to go in somewhere so I would always recommend that be in a weak bodypart and to do some sets to allow lactic acid to build up. Like anything try it and see how you get on with it.

thanks bro! I got a gram of it that I need to test then I was going to start injecting forearms to try to stimulate growth there. Not super excited about pinning forearms though....