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Low dose test with tren

kkitz967

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After continually about how guys are getting little to no sides from tren and accrediting it to running a low dose (around 200mg/week) while on tren. I was wondering why this works the way it does because conventionally I always told you should run a higher dose of test then tren roughly 2:1. I think I'm getting back on the horse so to speak and its only the sides that really make me not wanna do tren ace again.. the results were absolutely mind blowing across the map.. thanks bros
 
I don't know why it works but it works.
I used to call tren divorce in a bottle as my first and only run with it was that ugly.
I just got back on the tren horse two weeks ago. I am using 200mg test prop, 500 mast, and 350 tren.
So far no sides at all.
However I am in trouble with the GF this morning cause I tried to wake her up at 5:00 AM after keeping her up till midnight. :D
 
I don't know why it works but it works.
I used to call tren divorce in a bottle as my first and only run with it was that ugly.
I just got back on the tren horse two weeks ago. I am using 200mg test prop, 500 mast, and 350 tren.
So far no sides at all.
However I am in trouble with the GF this morning cause I tried to wake her up at 5:00 AM after keeping her up till midnight. :D

lmao same thing with my wife,but I did wake her up once inside. She punished be by cleaning the room so I couldn't go back to sleep.
 
Some bros can probably explain this better but from my understanding the tren sides are only dependent on aromatization and since tren doesn't aromatize on it's own keeping your estro in check by running a trt dose of test, will greatly reduce or eliminate many sides.

Without elevated estro levels your prolactin levels will stay the same and shouldn't experience any sexual issues. Can't say this works for everyone but I've had great success with it. Used to always use caber with test tren cycles cuz I'd notice some gyno, but once I started running my test at 300-200mg/wk I didn't need any ai or caber and my sides were very minimal.

Best way to cut imo.
 
You have to find the right dose for your body and age.
I have found that a trt dose of test is all I need with tren.
 
it kind of depends what look your going for also. If i want bulk but im in need of some strength from tren ill run 750mg test enan per week and then 75mg of tren EOD. if i want that insane tren look ill run 250 test enan per week and 125mg tren EOD. thats just me though
 
I don't know why it works but it works.
I used to call tren divorce in a bottle as my first and only run with it was that ugly.
I just got back on the tren horse two weeks ago. I am using 200mg test prop, 500 mast, and 350 tren.
So far no sides at all.
However I am in trouble with the GF this morning cause I tried to wake her up at 5:00 AM after keeping her up till midnight. :D

Why are you using both tren and mast? I always had heard that mast was just like a milder tren?
 
Some bros can probably explain this better but from my understanding the tren sides are only dependent on aromatization and since tren doesn't aromatize on it's own keeping your estro in check by running a trt dose of test, will greatly reduce or eliminate many sides.

Without elevated estro levels your prolactin levels will stay the same and shouldn't experience any sexual issues. Can't say this works for everyone but I've had great success with it. Used to always use caber with test tren cycles cuz I'd notice some gyno, but once I started running my test at 300-200mg/wk I didn't need any ai or caber and my sides were very minimal.

Best way to cut imo.

Yes

Tren has a much higher binding affinity, so it will beat the test there anyway.

Tren also has less probability to elevate hematocrit.

As you pointed out it does not aromatize so that is always a plus.

the only reason I can personally think of to run test with your tren is to make sure your making enough E and to keep DHT conversion going.

you only need 2-300mg to do that.

If you don't run test, your E may bottom out and when you come off you will have to wait for DHT conversion to kick back in to get a woody, not just the HPTA.
 
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You mean the best cut cycle you've ever done?

you gain massive amount of LB on Tren, it is 5x as anabolic and 5x as androgenic as test, anything test can do tren can do better. Its all in what you eat.

and you don't have to eat as much to gain LBM on tren.

This is not to say everyone should run tren. i actually found it refreshing to leave it out of my cycle this time, but i can not deny its power :star:wars
 
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i was running 900test / tren , dialed back to 600 test feel 1000x better
 
What do you guys mean by side effects ? the short term ones (insomnia etc)or the ones that hurt your body like crushing your lipids, mess with your kidneys etc etc
 
on low test high tren right now and i dont think ill ever run it the other way again i look better and feel better and libido is way better....also on mast tho :)
 
What do you guys mean by side effects ? the short term ones (insomnia etc)or the ones that hurt your body like crushing your lipids, mess with your kidneys etc etc

I see tons of people say that, but it has never happened to me. Ive used it for 6 months.

Var will tear up your lipids faster than tren.

As far as the reduced sides, acne and prolactin sides are reduced big time when keeping your T low to avoid aroma. E affects autoimmune response and can trigger acne. When E goes up it can effect prolactin.

I don't really see why tren would be any worse than test..........

Abstract

Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) now under development can protect against muscle and bone loss without causing prostate growth or polycythemia. 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (trenbolone), a potent testosterone analog, may have SARM-like actions because, unlike testosterone, trenbolone does not undergo tissue-specific 5α-reduction to form more potent androgens. We tested the hypothesis that trenbolone-enanthate (TREN) might prevent orchiectomy-induced losses in muscle and bone and visceral fat accumulation without increasing prostate mass or resulting in adverse hemoglobin elevations. Male F344 rats aged 3 mo underwent orchiectomy or remained intact and were administered graded doses of TREN, supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate, or vehicle for 29 days. In both intact and orchiectomized animals, all TREN doses and supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate augmented androgen-sensitive levator ani/bulbocavernosus muscle mass by 35–40% above shams (P ≤ 0.001) and produced a dose-dependent partial protection against orchiectomy-induced total and trabecular bone mineral density losses (P < 0.05) and visceral fat accumulation (P < 0.05). The lowest doses of TREN successfully maintained prostate mass and hemoglobin concentrations at sham levels in both intact and orchiectomized animals, whereas supraphysiological testosterone-enanthate and high-dose TREN elevated prostate mass by 84 and 68%, respectively (P < 0.01). In summary, low-dose administration of the non-5α-reducible androgen TREN maintains prostate mass and hemoglobin concentrations near the level of shams while producing potent myotrophic actions in skeletal muscle and partial protection against orchiectomy-induced bone loss and visceral fat accumulation. Our findings indicate that TREN has advantages over supraphysiological testosterone and supports the need for future preclinical studies examining the viability of TREN as an option for androgen replacement therapy.

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What do you guys mean by side effects ? the short term ones (insomnia etc)or the ones that hurt your body like crushing your lipids, mess with your kidneys etc etc

I was referring to short term sides like irritability insomnia gyno and libido. Although the last time I ran tren I did 800mg/wk with 250 test. My bloodwork after was much better than when I ran 600mg/wk tren with 750 test.

Not saying that that's always the case because there's so many factors that play into bloodwork but that was my experience last time.

I am aware that my total mgs were lower with 800 tren and 250 test than with 600 tren 750 test, so know that could be a big determinant.
 
there has to be a reason why tren was pulled out of pharma shelves, i heard it's very toxic and does weird shit to ur brain :// ??
 
Yeah I ran 600mg prop/week and 300 tren ace/week and saw excellent results but the sides were fucking insane...With that said I'm going to run around 5-600mg/week tren and 200mg prop/week I wanna get nasty ripped again... who bulks in the summer lets be serious here
 
Yeah I ran 600mg prop/week and 300 tren ace/week and saw excellent results but the sides were fucking insane...With that said I'm going to run around 5-600mg/week tren and 200mg prop/week I wanna get nasty ripped again... who bulks in the summer lets be serious here

Tren is like BK, have it your way right away lol :headbang:
 

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