Low dose Tren for nutrition partitioning?

[Nike22]

Currently running a simple bulk:
Test E 600/wk
Deca 400/wk

Thinking about adding Tren E 100/wk for nutrition partitioning - make it a leaner bulk.

Any thoughts?

(History, training and cycling for years. Macros are all in check, tracking daily on a food app.)

 

[Fleezy]

When Berberine just doesn’t cut it


There’s tren

 

[TeaMan]

You obviously can use it, but thus not provided you a "lean gain" at any means. How you partition nutrient is highly dependent on your metabolic health and mitochondria efficiency - tren does not makes you healthier - you may appear "leaner" for short period of time, but definitely you will not protect yourself from being fat. If you want to to "lean bulk" - prioritize your nutrition, be on really smal caloric surplus, stay active, prioritize sleep and recover and lift crazy hard. I know is not an answer you wanted to hear, but at least you've got the truth - sorry about that.

 

[Splitzz]

I’d save the tren for a serious cut. I like to keep bloods in the best shape I can while in the offseason. As long as your eating a clean diet and not to much of a cal surplus, the gear your running will do the job just fine.

 

[traininsane11]

Currently running a simple bulk:
Test E 600/wk
Deca 400/wk

Thinking about adding Tren E 100/wk for nutrition partitioning - make it a leaner bulk.

Any thoughts?

(History, training and cycling for years. Macros are all in check, tracking daily on a food app.)

Genuinely think tren is massively overrated especially for this

I can guarantee you would notice near enough no difference by doing it compared to just really staying on top of how much of a calorie surplus you’re in

 

[Nike22]

You obviously can use it, but thus not provided you a "lean gain" at any means. How you partition nutrient is highly dependent on your metabolic health and mitochondria efficiency - tren does not makes you healthier - you may appear "leaner" for short period of time, but definitely you will not protect yourself from being fat. If you want to to "lean bulk" - prioritize your nutrition, be on really smal caloric surplus, stay active, prioritize sleep and recover and lift crazy hard. I know is not an answer you wanted to hear, but at least you've got the truth - sorry about that.

I hear you bro and you are right. I've played with different macro levels over the years and the best I've been able to come up with is a high pro/fat medium carb setup. On non-training days, same protein and fat and only 100g carbs.

Still, my crap genetics kick in and I gain some fat with that muscle. I'm only eating 10% over my daily requirements based on weight and exercise load. Extra cardio makes little difference, the best change over the last decade for me was cutting back on the carbs and keeping the caloric intake high through high pro/fat.

 

[massephase]

and I gain some fat with that muscle

If it is really "some" fat with muscle, then that is just how things normally go. Otherwise no one would ever have to prep for a bodybuilding show.

 

[CorgisOnTren]

Possibly, but we have so many great tools at our disposal these days for nutrient partitioning ON TOP of the basic big factors like cardio, proper macros etc.

With a good lean baseline, daily cardio, a proper diet, gear, GH, controlled surplus, healthy NEAT levels, proper supplementation (berberine, EFAs etc.), then some of these newer peptides (SLU, Mots C, SS31 etc)… I feel like with all these factors nutrient partitioning should already be pretty damn primed.

Can’t deny tren is a powerful compound though

 

[stackdizzy]

I would run deca then switch to tren. Or you can see if the nutrient partitioning aspect of teen works down that low. I say fuck it man go with the 100 tren and see what it does to your physique. Please update this thread with the results

 

[TeaMan]

I hear you bro and you are right. I've played with different macro levels over the years and the best I've been able to come up with is a high pro/fat medium carb setup. On non-training days, same protein and fat and only 100g carbs.

Still, my crap genetics kick in and I gain some fat with that muscle. I'm only eating 10% over my daily requirements based on weight and exercise load. Extra cardio makes little difference, the best change over the last decade for me was cutting back on the carbs and keeping the caloric intake high through high pro/fat.

Brother its not your crapy genetics, its you NOT being honest with either us or yourself. Wrong tracking food, poor food and macro choice. This is bodybuilding if you wanna get serious about it stop doing stupid shit like high fat diets - your performance is solely relay on carbs as bodybuilder. You're using exogenous hormone - why the f* you need the high fat for? If because "I like it" or "I feel better on it" this is where you're go wrong. Your goals are either feeling great and having a delicious diet or staying lean year round and making progress as a bodybuilder - if you have competitive goal or high standards just for your self, you cant go below the need of achieving it and still hoping for the best... Harsh, but thats hows life structured. Everything thats worth something its hard - being in great shape year round is one of that thing.

 

[FrenchBench22]

(History, training and cycling for years. Macros are all in check, tracking daily on a food app.)

...best I've been able to come up with is a high pro/fat medium carb setup. On non-training days, same protein and fat and only 100g carbs.

...my crap genetics kick in and I gain some fat with that muscle. ...the best change over the last decade for me was cutting back on the carbs and keeping the caloric intake high through high pro/fat.

You're gaining excess fat because you're eating excess fat.

0.7-1.5g/lb grams of protein per day (150-300g), essential fats from omegas 3 and maybe peri-workout to help stabilize blood glucose (5-20g/day), and the rest of your calories from carbs.

Including trace fats from carb and protein sources, that's still only <70g fat per day at most - fat still nowhere near as high as your protein intake.

There is no reason to be eating extra fat if your goal is physique or performance - unless your goal is to gain extra fat.

 

[luki7788]

I think there is no point in trying to convince the author of the post that tren won't do him any good in this case because he just wants to take tren and hope that magic will happen - so let him do it and see for himself that he will be very disappointed

 

[gauge22-v2]

Currently running a simple bulk:
Test E 600/wk
Deca 400/wk

Thinking about adding Tren E 100/wk for nutrition partitioning - make it a leaner bulk.

Any thoughts?

(History, training and cycling for years. Macros are all in check, tracking daily on a food app.)

Add step mill 3x per week 20mins per session.

 

[Mufasa123]

Currently running a simple bulk:
Test E 600/wk
Deca 400/wk

Thinking about adding Tren E 100/wk for nutrition partitioning - make it a leaner bulk.

Any thoughts?

(History, training and cycling for years. Macros are all in check, tracking daily on a food app.)

I'm not going to say anything much different from what you've been told above.

I've run lower tren alongside test/deca a lot. Less as I've gotten older as it fatigues my CNS after ~6 weeks these days. The look is harder and less watery while still full - I think this helps give the illusion that it's more effective for keeping you lean than it really is. For just general gains snd/or strength it has great synergy here too though and I've always loved it.

Now all that said, I'm not sure of your experience on tren and how bad it messes with your body. Other than the cns fatigue my bloods don't move a whole lot - others are heavily skewed. Something to be conscious of depending upon what's "next" like a competition prep as you'd want to start that healthy. Also, tren does make it harder to get fat but not a metric shit ton harder so if you aren't at least reasonably dialed in on macros/cals it's an issue. The guys claiming that they just magically leaned up the whole time...were not eating in surplus but rather much closer to maintenance (why tren is a good recomp drug). Basically they didn't know what they were doing and never adjusted appropriately if their goal was to maximize muscle gain.

So if you are curious, know that tren doesn't blow up your bloods/health, don't have a pending competition to prepare for after, and have your diet and lifestyle dialed in at a good level...give it a shot. With all of that I'd probably run 200mg weekly if you tolerate it well. If a lot of that isn't true, avoid or up your other doses.

At the end of the day people need to experiment and see what works for them. We provide guidance to minimize issues and make you aware of them but decision is yours.

 

[qbkilla]

I've found for staying lean when trying to gain tracking steps is more precise than just scheduling cardio. I still do cardio on the treadmill but its just a means to get in 10k.

Wake up get about 5k fasted. Get the other 5k throughout the day. Non-training days head to the gym after work with a goal to exceed 5k. Allows me to eat more and keep lean.

 

[TeaMan]

Add step mill 3x per week 20mins per session.

Cardio at 20min 3x a week is a perfect way to get fat and lazy in offseason. Wanna have productive offseason? Hit 8-15k steps daily, do 6-7x 20-25min cardio daily, work insanely hard at the gym, eat off plan 0x per week, use only non-low processed food on a daily basis. Keep your protein moderat high, fat low and carbs as high as humanly possible to not get overboard with caloric surplus. Either you do crazy shit like nonsense tren or not if you haven't try this approach for at leas 6mont strict without a single "fell off" you dont even have the right to judge how good or bad your genetics are - but you can freely say your just not trying.

 

[madg]

Cardio at 20min 3x a week is a perfect way to get fat and lazy in offseason. Wanna have productive offseason? Hit 8-15k steps daily, do 6-7x 20-25min cardio daily, work insanely hard at the gym, eat off plan 0x per week, use only non-low processed food on a daily basis. Keep your protein moderat high, fat low and carbs as high as humanly possible to not get overboard with caloric surplus. Either you do crazy shit like nonsense tren or not if you haven't try this approach for at leas 6mont strict without a single "fell off" you dont even have the right to judge how good or bad your genetics are - but you can freely say your just not trying.

This ^^^

Many dm me ask how stay so lean and skin so thin

What david said is what i do , drugs is irelevant

Even on deca + dboll i am shredded

 

[TeaMan]

This ^^^

Many dm me ask how stay so lean and skin so thin

What david said is what i do , drugs is irelevant

Even on deca + dboll i am shredded

It it solely drug dependent every other dude at the gym would walk paper thin skin year round. But its hard work depended so thats way theres few of them somewhere out there. Nowadays even on GLP-1 people still having problems with stopping from overeating crap. Luckily life most of the time is fair in regard of things you really need to earn and just simply cant buy ;p.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

I mean @TeaMan has basically summed it all up.
I dont understand comments like, "extra cardio makes little difference." When i read that, i realize that the person doesnttt really understand the purpose of cardio in the offseason. Its veryyy little to do with burning calories and so much more with just keeping your metabolism primed, insulin sensitivity up, and your whole body just much more efficient at WHERE the calories you DO consume are going.

You've looked at all the variables and you're trying to understand, "Wait, why the fuck am i getting fat? its gotttta be my shitty genetics."
But its not. You are just making the wrong choices on some of those variables, its that simple. You are not "carb sensitive" like you heard some 45-year-old soccer mom say. That entire mantra of 'some people are just blessed' has nothing to do with your genetics and everything to do with all your lifestyle choices.

 

[Flex500]

I hear you bro and you are right. I've played with different macro levels over the years and the best I've been able to come up with is a high pro/fat medium carb setup. On non-training days, same protein and fat and only 100g carbs.

Still, my crap genetics kick in and I gain some fat with that muscle. I'm only eating 10% over my daily requirements based on weight and exercise load. Extra cardio makes little difference, the best change over the last decade for me was cutting back on the carbs and keeping the caloric intake high through high pro/fat.

Some of the responses here seem a little off to me and I may be missing some of your post history. Before anyone can give you useful advice, it really matters where you actually are. On this board we’ve had guys say they’re “getting fat” who are legitimately stage lean, and we’ve had guys say the same thing at 25–30% body fat. Those are totally different situations, and the advice should be totally different.

You’d help yourself a lot by clarifying that. Even a picture changes the conversation. Depending on what you actually look like, people might say wow everything’s dialed in, do what you want, or they might say forget adding anything, drop down to TRT, and clean up the most basic things first.

On the diet side, I don’t really get the pile on about moderate fat being the issue. You’re not talking about some extreme approach. Plenty of successful bodybuilders have run moderate fat, moderate protein, lower carb setups and done just fine, especially guys who aren’t 300 pound freaks.

I’ve posted my own pictures here over the years. At my best I was low 230s to 240s at 5’9” and always did better on lower carb diets. Not because carbs are bad, but I found I felt better and was far healthier with that approach. Bottom line, no one can give you rational advice without knowing what “getting fat” actually means in your case. Clarify that first, or you’re just going to keep getting extreme answers that may not apply to you at all.