Low dose Tren for nutrition partitioning?

[Liter O' Test]

Yep I’m doing 140 test 100 parabolan and I look and feel great. Probably for the last 6 months or so. I’m not sure if I’ll blast again at this point all things considered, this may be my end game TRT. But I’ve said that before lol

do you track your sleep with a device?

 

[st114]

do you track your sleep with a device?

Nope. Sleep like a baby though

 

[Sectør]

Tbh i find low dose tren to be useful in the way masteron or primo is for some - helps SHBG in a way that has a noticeable synergistic effect with test for me. 10mg tren ace I find to be good for bulks, but even 15mg ace a day is pushing it and better for cuts.

I find SHBG /bound test to be pretty important to monitor, maybe not quite as much as E2. I always feel very poorly with high SHBG, maybe its placebo

Also, tren's not-fully-understood synergy with increasing IGF1 effects intracellularly could be important.

Proviron does help, but not the same. Test and gH do the growing, tren just keeps syngergises with them a bit.

I share a similar view—In viewing tren as an “IGF shuttler” of sorts, and that it works synergistic alongside hgh.

We take hgh to boost systemic IGF, then tren shuttles it into the muscle, thereby increasing localized IGF in the muscle, and decreasing systemic IGF. It’s really the localized IGF in the muscle that we care about—it’s far more important than systemic IGF

So in that way I do think low dose tren, and I do mean low dose could be synergistic in an offseason. The key is keeping it low though, for me I find my Calorie needs go up with tren in the mix. It can be hard to outeat if you’re running even a moderate dose.

That said, even as great and potent as tren is, idk if I’d want to keep it in year round or long term (even at a low dose) because of how taxing it can be on the CNS, combined with the brain chemical alteration. I think it could be beneficial in 4-8 week pulses when you’re really pushing the food hard and want to stay tight and max out strength and really push hard for growth. I also think it’s good to give the body a little bit of a break after too. Just my opinion of course

 

[madg]

I share a similar view—In viewing tren as an “IGF shuttler” of sorts, and that it works synergistic alongside hgh.

We take hgh to boost systemic IGF, then tren shuttles it into the muscle, thereby increasing localized IGF in the muscle, and decreasing systemic IGF. It’s really the localized IGF in the muscle that we care about—it’s far more important than systemic IGF

So in that way I do think low dose tren, and I do mean low dose could be synergistic in an offseason. The key is keeping it low though, for me I find my Calorie needs go up with tren in the mix. It can be hard to outeat if you’re running even a moderate dose.

That said, even as great and potent as tren is, idk if I’d want to keep it in year round or long term (even at a low dose) because of how taxing it can be on the CNS, combined with the brain chemical alteration. I think it could be beneficial in 4-8 week pulses when you’re really pushing the food hard and want to stay tight and max out strength and really push hard for growth. I also think it’s good to give the body a little bit of a break after too. Just my opinion of course

Tren blasts with primo cruises

 

[warlock]

So in that way I do think low dose tren, and I do mean low dose could be synergistic in an offseason. The key is keeping it low though, for me I find my Calorie needs go up with tren in the mix. It can be hard to outeat if you’re running even a moderate dose.

How low are you talking about?

 

[Sectør]

How low are you talking about?

100/week. Low enough to get some of the benefits without frying your cns and bloodwork too hard (and also trying to keep the sides as minimal as possible).

Test and food should be the main growth drivers, but a little bit of tren could provide great synergy

 

[qbkilla]

r

I share a similar view—In viewing tren as an “IGF shuttler” of sorts, and that it works synergistic alongside hgh.

We take hgh to boost systemic IGF, then tren shuttles it into the muscle, thereby increasing localized IGF in the muscle, and decreasing systemic IGF. It’s really the localized IGF in the muscle that we care about—it’s far more important than systemic IGF

So in that way I do think low dose tren, and I do mean low dose could be synergistic in an offseason. The key is keeping it low though, for me I find my Calorie needs go up with tren in the mix. It can be hard to outeat if you’re running even a moderate dose.

That said, even as great and potent as tren is, idk if I’d want to keep it in year round or long term (even at a low dose) because of how taxing it can be on the CNS, combined with the brain chemical alteration. I think it could be beneficial in 4-8 week pulses when you’re really pushing the food hard and want to stay tight and max out strength and really push hard for growth. I also think it’s good to give the body a little bit of a break after too. Just my opinion of course

Interesting...is this a fact or just theory you have? I have never heard this...only that tren can lower igf (like a blood test). But your explanation would explain why bloods would show lower igf if the tren shuttles it inside muscle tissue.

 

[Sectør]

r
Interesting...is this a fact or just theory you have? I have never heard this...only that tren can lower igf (like a blood test). But your explanation would explain why bloods would show lower igf if the tren shuttles it inside muscle tissue.

Tren lowering systemic IGF and increasing localized IGF in muscles is a fact. Thats why systemic IGF usually shows low on bloodwork if you’re on tren, like you mentioned

Tren increasing calorie needs and metabolic rate is also fact.

The rest is just general theory on why I feel like it could be synergistic, and is opinion based

 

[luki7788]

r
Interesting...is this a fact or just theory you have? I have never heard this...only that tren can lower igf (like a blood test). But your explanation would explain why bloods would show lower igf if the tren shuttles it inside muscle tissue.

Like you probably already noticed, and it’s obvious, around 90% of what we write here, and most bodybuilding “science” about training and drugs, is still theory.
Even doctors and researchers don’t fully know the exact mechanisms of many steroids in the body. They mostly see the results and the outcomes, so a lot of it is still guessing and connecting dots.

But what we see more and more in deeper research is this: many “bro theories” in bodybuilding, about training, diet, and PED use, that bodybuilders figured out years ago, are now being confirmed by lab studies.
So I think this theory can also make sense and there can be something in it, but in the end it’s still just a theory.

 

[qbkilla]

Like you probably already noticed, and it’s obvious, around 90% of what we write here, and most bodybuilding “science” about training and drugs, is still theory.
Even doctors and researchers don’t fully know the exact mechanisms of many steroids in the body. They mostly see the results and the outcomes, so a lot of it is still guessing and connecting dots.

But what we see more and more in deeper research is this: many “bro theories” in bodybuilding, about training, diet, and PED use, that bodybuilders figured out years ago, are now being confirmed by lab studies.
So I think this theory can also make sense and there can be something in it, but in the end it’s still just a theory.

So true. And even the bro theories seem to change all the time...or trends. When I started reading forums in 2002ish eq was much more popular, dbol too. You'd see a little more talk about halo and even cheque drops. Var and primo were rich man steroids, primo on the market wasn't trusted as legit and guys used little 2.5mg btg anavar and said it was way more powerful and could be run at lower dosages than ug. Then around 2010ish I remember high dose tren was a trend, 100, 200, even 300mg a day was talked about on threads..ramping it up, down, back up. For a time superdrol and epistane were popular, ...I recall at times high dosages of eq like 1400mg plus were called a secret...masteron was hyped at high dosages. Seems like last few years its all about trt +, primo, and microdosing things like tren lol.

 

[Sectør]

So true. And even the bro theories seem to change all the time...or trends. When I started reading forums in 2002ish eq was much more popular, dbol too. You'd see a little more talk about halo and even cheque drops. Var and primo were rich man steroids, primo on the market wasn't trusted as legit and guys used little 2.5mg btg anavar and said it was way more powerful and could be run at lower dosages than ug. Then around 2010ish I remember high dose tren was a trend, 100, 200, even 300mg a day was talked about on threads..ramping it up, down, back up. For a time superdrol and epistane were popular, ...I recall at times high dosages of eq like 1400mg plus were called a secret...masteron was hyped at high dosages. Seems like last few years its all about trt +, primo, and microdosing things like tren lol.

Epistane was incredible, probably my favorite oral of all time. Way better than anavar imo

Completely forgot about cheque drops too. The pre workout aggression with those was wild.

 

[GreatGhandi51]

They give a 200-300mg pellet to a cow and it grows 20-30lb in 7-8 weeks before slaughter.

Micro dosing Tren works and works very well.

 

[luki7788]

They give a 200-300mg pellet to a cow and it grows 20-30lb in 7-8 weeks before slaughter.

Micro dosing Tren works and works very well.

Man, don’t compare a human to a cow, lol. It’s totally different physiology, you really need to understand that.

 

[luki7788]

So true. And even the bro theories seem to change all the time...or trends. When I started reading forums in 2002ish eq was much more popular, dbol too. You'd see a little more talk about halo and even cheque drops. Var and primo were rich man steroids, primo on the market wasn't trusted as legit and guys used little 2.5mg btg anavar and said it was way more powerful and could be run at lower dosages than ug. Then around 2010ish I remember high dose tren was a trend, 100, 200, even 300mg a day was talked about on threads..ramping it up, down, back up. For a time superdrol and epistane were popular, ...I recall at times high dosages of eq like 1400mg plus were called a secret...masteron was hyped at high dosages. Seems like last few years its all about trt +, primo, and microdosing things like tren lol.

Honestly, any way can work. Steroids just work.

If someone takes almost anything, they will grow. If the dose is high enough, you will grow. That’s just how it is.
But the question of what is more optimal and what is less optimal is a different thing. And also what will hurt your health markers more, and what will not hurt them as much. What will make you feel really bad and unhealthy, and what will not. Those are two different things.

So in the end there is no one “good” or “bad” theory. No one “good” or “bad” way. All drugs have side effects, some less, some more. All can give results, some less, some more.
There is no secret here. Everyone has to find the best formula for himself. If you don’t take anything, sure, it’s the healthiest.

 

[mexbeast]

r
Interesting...is this a fact or just theory you have? I have never heard this...only that tren can lower igf (like a blood test). But your explanation would explain why bloods would show lower igf if the tren shuttles it inside muscle tissue.

You have been around long enough to know the answer, but i understand that sometimes we ask without thinking and sometimes we ask to farther the conversation. The only way to know is to perform intricate test before and after tren

 

[Sectør]

You have been around long enough to know the answer, but i understand that sometimes we ask without thinking and sometimes we ask to farther the conversation. The only way to know is to perform intricate test before and after tren

I do wish there was better ways to measure localized IGF in the muscle. There’s a few methods, but they’re very invasive (such as muscle biopsies)

It’s not as easy as bloodwork like we do to measure systemic IGF

But I find the whole localized IGF shuttling effect from tren kind of interesting. Let’s say someone was in their offseason and really wanted to go all in on growing their legs with a hard push—obviously GH would be in, then they could drop some IGF1-LR3 in there and a little bit of tren for 4-8 weeks. Systemic IGF would increase drastically from the combo of gh+LR3, then tren would shuttle it into the muscle. The end result should be significantly more muscle growth in theory from the increase in localized effect?

It’s just hard to say how much % of the IGF gets transferred into the muscle in the process. You’d have to get 3 separate bloodwork reading of IGF with —just GH, GH+ IGF1-lr3, then gh+IGF1-lr3+ tren. Then the assumption would be that however much systemic IGF decreases on bloodwork after you add the tren would be the amount being pushed into the muscle, with a certain margin of error for IGF being lost in the conversion process?

 

[FuzzyFella]

They give a 200-300mg pellet to a cow and it grows 20-30lb in 7-8 weeks before slaughter.

Micro dosing Tren works and works very well.

Bull grows 750lbs lean mass eating grass. They are literally a different animal

Gorilla too... natty and eating full vegan, nothing but bambu, and those fuckers are 400lb at 3% bf

Then again.... hmm... brb ordering 10 bales of hay and 10 finaplix implants

 

[luki7788]

I do wish there was better ways to measure localized IGF in the muscle. There’s a few methods, but they’re very invasive (such as muscle biopsies)

It’s not as easy as bloodwork like we do to measure systemic IGF

But I find the whole localized IGF shuttling effect from tren kind of interesting. Let’s say someone was in their offseason and really wanted to go all in on growing their legs with a hard push—obviously GH would be in, then they could drop some IGF1-LR3 in there and a little bit of tren for 4-8 weeks. Systemic IGF would increase drastically from the combo of gh+LR3, then tren would shuttle it into the muscle. The end result should be significantly more muscle growth in theory from the increase in localized effect?

It’s just hard to say how much % of the IGF gets transferred into the muscle in the process. You’d have to get 3 separate bloodwork reading of IGF with —just GH, GH+ IGF1-lr3, then gh+IGF1-lr3+ tren. Then the assumption would be that however much systemic IGF decreases on bloodwork after you add the tren would be the amount being pushed into the muscle, with a certain margin of error for IGF being lost in the conversion process?

Bro, there's no point in overanalyzing it because it only gives you a headache and we'll never know the answer anyway

 

[Sectør]

Bro, there's no point in overanalyzing it because it only gives you a headache and we'll never know the answer anyway

Haha fair enough

 

[mexbeast]

I do wish there was better ways to measure localized IGF in the muscle. There’s a few methods, but they’re very invasive (such as muscle biopsies)

It’s not as easy as bloodwork like we do to measure systemic IGF

But I find the whole localized IGF shuttling effect from tren kind of interesting. Let’s say someone was in their offseason and really wanted to go all in on growing their legs with a hard push—obviously GH would be in, then they could drop some IGF1-LR3 in there and a little bit of tren for 4-8 weeks. Systemic IGF would increase drastically from the combo of gh+LR3, then tren would shuttle it into the muscle. The end result should be significantly more muscle growth in theory from the increase in localized effect?

It’s just hard to say how much % of the IGF gets transferred into the muscle in the process. You’d have to get 3 separate bloodwork reading of IGF with —just GH, GH+ IGF1-lr3, then gh+IGF1-lr3+ tren. Then the assumption would be that however much systemic IGF decreases on bloodwork after you add the tren would be the amount being pushed into the muscle, with a certain margin of error for IGF being lost in the conversion process?

Don't forget the slin, even if it's just a little. I know you know but for the readers who may be interested in trying it