Low dose Tren for nutrition partitioning?

[massephase]

While this discussion has been going on, I have been trying low dose tren in the gaining phase. It's been four weeks at 175mg a week now.
I don't feel like it's a crazy game changer ... I noticed increased appetite and a strength boost. Sleep was a tiny bit worse. Maybe the "magic" of being able to eat whatever you want and stay lean happens when you approach 500mg+ ... But I can guarantuee that if I took 500mg+ of this, it would be counterproductive. My sleep would probably turn to shit and my mood would suck all the time, which is not what I want when trying to grow. I also haven't checked blood work yet, that is still to come - planning on running it for 6-8 weeks. I am not sure if the benefits from it even outweigh the decreased sleep quality it gave me.

I will not miss feeling like I've been punched in the throat after every injection, that's for sure

 

[madg]

Fuck it just ordered 60 ml tren ace

But .. no low dose here

 

[Mufasa123]

While this discussion has been going on, I have been trying low dose tren in the gaining phase. It's been four weeks at 175mg a week now.
I don't feel like it's a crazy game changer ... I noticed increased appetite and a strength boost. Sleep was a tiny bit worse. Maybe the "magic" of being able to eat whatever you want and stay lean happens when you approach 500mg+ ... But I can guarantuee that if I took 500mg+ of this, it would be counterproductive. My sleep would probably turn to shit and my mood would suck all the time, which is not what I want when trying to grow. I also haven't checked blood work yet, that is still to come - planning on running it for 6-8 weeks. I am not sure if the benefits from it even outweigh the decreased sleep quality it gave me.

I will not miss feeling like I've been punched in the throat after every injection, that's for sure

Long ago I used to throw 150-200mg of Tren into longer test/deca based cycles. Certainly not night/day but I felt it helped a good bit with nutrient partitioning/keeping me leaner. Look helped a bit too (harder and less water though I didn't bloat heavily anyway). Conversely there was low deca in my test/tren based blasts.

These days even lower dose tren runs burn me out in 4-6 weeks so that's not viable anymore. CNS just blows out so other than some occasional 4 week pulses, as you noted, it does more harm than help. Even 4 on 4 off 4 on... Eventually blows me up though that helps for a bit but by 3rd tren block I'm burning out. I wish it wasn't the case as I like tren and feel great on it with good bloods but age catches us all eventually.

 

[Sectør]

Long ago I used to throw 150-200mg of Tren into longer test/deca based cycles. Certainly not night/day but I felt it helped a good bit with nutrient partitioning/keeping me leaner. Look helped a bit too (harder and less water though I didn't bloat heavily anyway). Conversely there was low deca in my test/tren based blasts.

These days even lower dose tren runs burn me out in 4-6 weeks so that's not viable anymore. CNS just blows out so other than some occasional 4 week pulses, as you noted, it does more harm than help. Even 4 on 4 off 4 on... Eventually blows me up though that helps for a bit but by 3rd tren block I'm burning out. I wish it wasn't the case as I like tren and feel great on it with good bloods but age catches us all eventually.

I’ve noticed this too with the cns

Usually after a tren run I’ll have to deload on my training because I just feel mentally/physically taxed and if I keep pushing things might even regress strength wise.

You make good progress while on it, but I think it also requires more training deloads (that you otherwise wouldn’t have had to take if you didn’t run tren)

 

[madg]

Long ago I used to throw 150-200mg of Tren into longer test/deca based cycles. Certainly not night/day but I felt it helped a good bit with nutrient partitioning/keeping me leaner. Look helped a bit too (harder and less water though I didn't bloat heavily anyway). Conversely there was low deca in my test/tren based blasts.

These days even lower dose tren runs burn me out in 4-6 weeks so that's not viable anymore. CNS just blows out so other than some occasional 4 week pulses, as you noted, it does more harm than help. Even 4 on 4 off 4 on... Eventually blows me up though that helps for a bit but by 3rd tren block I'm burning out. I wish it wasn't the case as I like tren and feel great on it with good bloods but age catches us all eventually.

I love tren with deca

Never problems for me i not even use caber

Dry full hard and ripped

 

[bjjgear]

While this discussion has been going on, I have been trying low dose tren in the gaining phase. It's been four weeks at 175mg a week now.
I don't feel like it's a crazy game changer ... I noticed increased appetite and a strength boost. Sleep was a tiny bit worse. Maybe the "magic" of being able to eat whatever you want and stay lean happens when you approach 500mg+ ... But I can guarantuee that if I took 500mg+ of this, it would be counterproductive. My sleep would probably turn to shit and my mood would suck all the time, which is not what I want when trying to grow. I also haven't checked blood work yet, that is still to come - planning on running it for 6-8 weeks. I am not sure if the benefits from it even outweigh the decreased sleep quality it gave me.

I will not miss feeling like I've been punched in the throat after every injection, that's for sure

My hot take is shit like tren is massively overhyped. Testosterone is just the absolute king and nothing else is even close. Guys just get bored with it and start adding in other shit and fuck themselves up for no reason.

 

[Sectør]

My hot take is shit like tren is massively overhyped. Testosterone is just the absolute king and nothing else is even close. Guys just get bored with it and start adding in other shit and fuck themselves up for no reason.

Kind of suprised to see you over this way

I thought you hated PM, after mocking Dan’s death and the board members here

 

[madg]

Kind of suprised to see you over this way

I thought you hated PM, after mocking Dan’s death and the board members here

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Ban for mocking dan imo

 

[massephase]

Long ago I used to throw 150-200mg of Tren into longer test/deca based cycles. Certainly not night/day but I felt it helped a good bit with nutrient partitioning/keeping me leaner. Look helped a bit too (harder and less water though I didn't bloat heavily anyway). Conversely there was low deca in my test/tren based blasts.

These days even lower dose tren runs burn me out in 4-6 weeks so that's not viable anymore. CNS just blows out so other than some occasional 4 week pulses, as you noted, it does more harm than help. Even 4 on 4 off 4 on... Eventually blows me up though that helps for a bit but by 3rd tren block I'm burning out. I wish it wasn't the case as I like tren and feel great on it with good bloods but age catches us all eventually.

Do you think this could be due to the cortisol lowering effect of tren? Or is it more a burn out from the extra CNS activation and increased strength?
Towards the end of this run I have been pretty lethargic... Hard to get out of bed in the morning and lacking drive. And interestingly, this lethargy had an every other day schedule, as in it was a lot worse on the day after the shots and better on the of the shot (I pinned ace eod). Been off for 4 days now and today I feel a lot more energetic, that's why I am wondering whether it might be too much cortisol blocking action from lots of test and then tren on top.

It's definitely not something I am going to repeat.

 

[Mufasa123]

Do you think this could be due to the cortisol lowering effect of tren? Or is it more a burn out from the extra CNS activation and increased strength?
Towards the end of this run I have been pretty lethargic... Hard to get out of bed in the morning and lacking drive. And interestingly, this lethargy had an every other day schedule, as in it was a lot worse on the day after the shots and better on the of the shot (I pinned ace eod). Been off for 4 days now and today I feel a lot more energetic, that's why I am wondering whether it might be too much cortisol blocking action from lots of test and then tren on top.

It's definitely not something I am going to repeat.

I don't know for sure but I go with constant cns elevation gradually raising fatigue until it accumulates and I need a break. Could be other factors too but fits this pattern and here's why.

. I can see on my whoop monitor significantly more stress related volatility in that indicator in the first few days of starting. And it's consistent during day and definitely also in sleep. Ideally my sleep is a low flat line and that holds outside of late night eating and/or alcohol. That same flat line becomes much more jagged and it's throughout the sleep. BTW I don't sweat, carbs don't make me sweat early or late, and I generally have slept okay on tren but just more restlessness. This starts quickly after beginning of cycle and goes through cessation.

I do fine for 4 to maybe 5/6 weeks and then the fatigue accumulates. If I stop it at that point I recover pretty quickly but if I restart right away it hits again. A solid 3-4 weeks and I can start another 4 week block. The issue here is that by the 3rd or 4th block of Tren with breaks in between I won't fully recover and get burried again (tried it this summer). So I figure I basicslly have 2 solid 4 week blocks in 12 weeks and then need to stop. Still works for me but can't run it like I used to.

Hope that helps but it's where my thinking currently is and how I use it if I decide to. Great drug, no issues for me other than this which developed in recent years.

 

[madg]

My hot take is shit like tren is massively overhyped. Testosterone is just the absolute king and nothing else is even close. Guys just get bored with it and start adding in other shit and fuck themselves up for no reason.

My hot take is that talking shit for our home and one of the nocest person here while he is dead…is that you should get fucked

 

[Spiro]

Yep I’m doing 140 test 100 parabolan and I look and feel great. Probably for the last 6 months or so. I’m not sure if I’ll blast again at this point all things considered, this may be my end game TRT. But I’ve said that before lol

Do you do ED injections?

 

[tommyguns2]

I've run tren A at 10mg ED and while I didn't notice any partitioning effects, it did give me a noticeable aesthetic improvement without significant negative sides. I think low dose tren A or even tren H can provide some nice benefits, it's just not the base. I don't think it'll allow you to not stay strict on the diet.

 

[dieselbuilder]

Kind of suprised to see you over this way

I thought you hated PM, after mocking Dan’s death and the board members here

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To be fair it kind of reads like he is upset that Dan’s diet wasn’t clean and that it wasn’t pointed out enough and the worst possible thing happened. I think he’s saying it should have been stressed to him more but let’s have @bjjgear speak for himself

 

[madg]

I've run tren A at 10mg ED and while I didn't notice any partitioning effects, it did give me a noticeable aesthetic improvement without significant negative sides. I think low dose tren A or even tren H can provide some nice benefits, it's just not the base. I don't think it'll allow you to not stay strict on the diet.

Tren hex at 100-200 mg ed is so nice i fucking love it

No sides for me and if total dose high enough it adds a lot to the blast imo

 

[st114]

Do you do ED injections?

Yes I do

 

[Flocci]

Tren hex at 100-200 mg ed is so nice i fucking love it

No sides for me and if total dose high enough it adds a lot to the blast imo

ED or EW? 1400mg a week of tren sounds like a lot to me, how are the results compared to 100, 400 and 600mg?

 

[traininsane11]

While this discussion has been going on, I have been trying low dose tren in the gaining phase. It's been four weeks at 175mg a week now.
I don't feel like it's a crazy game changer ... I noticed increased appetite and a strength boost. Sleep was a tiny bit worse. Maybe the "magic" of being able to eat whatever you want and stay lean happens when you approach 500mg+ ... But I can guarantuee that if I took 500mg+ of this, it would be counterproductive. My sleep would probably turn to shit and my mood would suck all the time, which is not what I want when trying to grow. I also haven't checked blood work yet, that is still to come - planning on running it for 6-8 weeks. I am not sure if the benefits from it even outweigh the decreased sleep quality it gave me.

I will not miss feeling like I've been punched in the throat after every injection, that's for sure

“ Maybe the "magic" of being able to eat whatever you want and stay lean happens when you approach 500mg+ ... “

I think outside of early 2000’s internet forums this isn’t even a thing

First it was tren then it was gh

“Take 10iu gh and you literally cannot get fat no matter what you eat”

forums: where reality and make believe just get merged into one

 

[madg]

ED or EW? 1400mg a week of tren sounds like a lot to me, how are the results compared to 100, 400 and 600mg?

Ew ofc sory for confusion

 

[Communion]

Genuinely think tren is massively overrated especially for this

I can guarantee you would notice near enough no difference by doing it compared to just really staying on top of how much of a calorie surplus you’re in

This. Tren is definitely powerful but I think it’s become a go-to over the past few years because of social media. If Equipoise suddenly became dangerous, had terrible sides, and was promoted by every broccoli head sub 25 year old on social media then it would be just as desired. I’ve used it multiple times both lean and sloppy big. It’s best used when you are lean, otherwise you’ll just get sweaty, angry, and strong.