LowER Test/HighER Deca

[MightyJohn]

You know me! And I'm PISSED I listened to ppl parrot "deca causes ED" or test is the best muscle builder! It isn't for me. Test at 250-300 and deca 500 (and 200 mast, can't forget that) and stronger, harder, fuller and minimum bloat...

Guys, try new things, you may be missing out . I know I did....


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My bad Bro, I forgot...maybe I know 2 freaks that like higher deca

 

[LATS]

You know me! And I'm PISSED I listened to ppl parrot "deca causes ED" or test is the best muscle builder! It isn't for me. Test at 250-300 and deca 500 (and 200 mast, can't forget that) and stronger, harder, fuller and minimum bloat...

Guys, try new things, you may be missing out . I know I did....


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There have been theories ( and possible a study.. I'll have to look) that leans towards the idea that deca dick issues are not prolactin related but it's ability to greatly diminish tests conversion to dht.. This is what caused the Ed issues.. Therefore adding masteron or proviron ( already in a DHT form) remedies the issue., I am a huge believer in always having masteron or proviron in ever NPP cycle I do..and yes I hate high test as I've always said ... Wish it was a better compound for me..

 

[epoxy]

i used to run low test higher anabolic cycles before i got my gyno removed because high test and dbol were two things that really aggrevated my nip sensitivity. tren did not, i've run high tren/low test, all tren no test, high deca/low test. but after i got my gyno surgery i switched back to incorporating high test into everything and i can say without a doubt it is MUCH better than any other combination i've used. i will say that in high tren/low test cycles are advisable because the sides brought on by tren seem to be more prevalent with higher test (at least for me). but for everything else...if you can handle high test, i say blast away. i don't even use tren anymore, just high test, high deca, and throw in an oral here and there.

 

[LATS]

i used to run low test higher anabolic cycles before i got my gyno removed because high test and dbol were two things that really aggrevated my nip sensitivity. tren did not, i've run high tren/low test, all tren no test, high deca/low test. but after i got my gyno surgery i switched back to incorporating high test into everything and i can say without a doubt it is MUCH better than any other combination i've used. i will say that in high tren/low test cycles are advisable because the sides brought on by tren seem to be more prevalent with higher test (at least for me). but for everything else...if you can handle high test, i say blast away. i don't even use tren anymore, just high test, high deca, and throw in an oral here and there.

I agree with much of what your saying.. But some of the issues with high test and deca is from e2 getting way out of whack.. Estro amplifies the negative progest issues from some nandrolones.. Keep estro at bay and the sides from deca or other nandrolone compounds are greatly reduced

 

[Muscle4fun]

When you say high test are you talking about 750 week and up o even higher than that

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[Alzadosghost]

Iv ran my deca higher than test all but once. And that's a lot of years. Iv never had any problem whatsoever with it. I have no idea what this deca dick stuff is because my shit has always worked just fine. And I don't even do any pct and have never taken anything for prolactin and Iv always recovered just fine. Iv always been more fond of deca durabolin than any other aas. The last run I did was 1200 mg deca a week and 500mg a week test and I loved it. The time before that was 1000mg deca a week 700 mg a week tren acetate and 250mg a week test and I had no problems. Iv liked all my low test runs so far no matter what other compounds Iv ran along side it. I'm doing a meager 10mg a day test enanthate sub q everyday right now with 200 mg a day humanafort after a guy on here suggested it to me And I'm really impressed with it so far. After only a week of the humanofort I'm seeing and feeling quite drastic changes in sleep,mood and a better overall sense of health and well being. I actually drppped the deca and replaced it with humanafort as I was directed that the deca was no longer needed with the introduction of the humanafort. If your listening thanks again for the advice man!!

 

[lntense]

That's enough time for your test levels to lower (Hence the size/strength loss)

And not enough time for the Deca to fully take effect.


I prefer higher test personally.

 

[TheUnrealOne]

test higher here too.. several theories behind deca dick, but all i know is that if i dont run test a few hundred mg higher, my libido is dead...i always have some viagra or cialis around when running deca...

 

[B-Trotter]

That's enough time for your test levels to lower (Hence the size/strength loss)

And not enough time for the Deca to fully take effect.


I prefer higher test personally.

Cheers, man.

This is my original hypothesis. I'll wait a few more weeks for the deca to kick in and will report back (may help someone in the future with the same questions).

 

[HGHkits]

Cheers, man.

This is my original hypothesis. I'll wait a few more weeks for the deca to kick in and will report back (may help someone in the future with the same questions).

bro, waiting for your further report on it

 

[B-Trotter]

I said I'd update, so here it is:

Low test/high deca works, and I'll never go back to anything else. BP has also reduced by 20 points since I lowered the test.

I've actually lowered test further, to 100mg/wk with deca at 600mg/wk.

The "deca bloats you to shit" comments that have put me off using deca until now are a load of utter bollocks in my experience. Water retention on this deca is no where near the level I experience on test even at 400mg/wk.

I'm only up a total of 8lbs, but the recomp effect is phenomenal. I've never looked better whilst bulking. Size gains are absolutely great for such low overall gain in weight (arms +1").

The only downside, is that strength is definitely lower than if test was run higher.

 

[heavyhitter]

I said I'd update, so here it is:

Low test/high deca works, and I'll never go back to anything else. BP has also reduced by 20 points since I lowered the test.

I've actually lowered test further, to 100mg/wk with deca at 600mg/wk.

The "deca bloats you to shit" comments that have put me off using deca until now are a load of utter bollocks in my experience. Water retention on this deca is no where near the level I experience on test even at 400mg/wk.

I'm only up a total of 8lbs, but the recomp effect is phenomenal. I've never looked better whilst bulking. Size gains are absolutely great for such low overall gain in weight (arms +1").

The only downside, is that strength is definitely lower than if test was run higher.

Why is that a downside though? If youre not a strength athlete who cares? And in the long run having to use lighter loads to achieve the same effect may get you some longevity

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Deca isn't gonna give you the aggression in the gym, the mass or the strength of strength of test. Bigger bodybuilder = more test. I've tried low test high everything else, given it a fair shot and I've come back to high test as a base always. All other compounds for me serve an aesthetic or functional purpose such as deca lubricating joints and giving more roundness/fullness. Mast is there to dry out, mitigate sides from other gear, give a bodybuilder look. Tren to give a real bodybuilder look. But higher test always as a base (with either dbol/adrol if your down with orals) to build mass & strength.

Every time I raise test up, strength & mass go up accordingly.

When one has reached desired level of size in lean muscle tissue, drop test down and see how little you can get away with while still retaining the tissue you have built... while using equal dose or higher dose anabolics to maintain a certain look.

I've never seen anyone get BIG and grow quick on low test.

If you don't like how you feel on high test try injecting everyday even long esters, makes a big difference for me not to have those high peaks once or twice a week.

It's completely individual and based on people's goals—but i've never seen a BIG DUDE who likes running low test, high anything else. And if they dooo...they got to that size running high test.

The average "low test/high tren" guy on this board is usually pushing 220 lean....not 275. And it makes sense. The high anabolic route reduces bloat and gives a better aesthetic look. Will you grow more on higher test? Yeah probably. But will you have to battle with estro more and bloating and finding that perfect balance? Yep.

 

[B-Trotter]

It's completely individual and based on people's goals—but i've never seen a BIG DUDE who likes running low test, high anything else. And if they dooo...they got to that size running high test.

The average "low test/high tren" guy on this board is usually pushing 220 lean....not 275. And it makes sense. The high anabolic route reduces bloat and gives a better aesthetic look. Will you grow more on higher test? Yeah probably. But will you have to battle with estro more and bloating and finding that perfect balance? Yep.

Good post, pretty much sums me up (210lbs).

 

[B-Trotter]

Why is that a downside though? If youre not a strength athlete who cares? And in the long run having to use lighter loads to achieve the same effect may get you some longevity

You're absolutely right, man. It's my ego speaking.

 

[Smack]

I said I'd update, so here it is:

Low test/high deca works, and I'll never go back to anything else. BP has also reduced by 20 points since I lowered the test.

I've actually lowered test further, to 100mg/wk with deca at 600mg/wk.

The "deca bloats you to shit" comments that have put me off using deca until now are a load of utter bollocks in my experience. Water retention on this deca is no where near the level I experience on test even at 400mg/wk.

I'm only up a total of 8lbs, but the recomp effect is phenomenal. I've never looked better whilst bulking. Size gains are absolutely great for such low overall gain in weight (arms +1").

The only downside, is that strength is definitely lower than if test was run higher.

You noticed fat loss with Deca?

 

[heavyhitter]

You noticed fat loss with Deca?

Why wouldn't he? It is anabolic

 

[Alzadosghost]

Iv lost body fat several times running deca. Iv also realized that every drug can somewhat give you results like that diet dependant. Most pro bodybuilders used to cut all test out a month or month and a half before the show to harden up and they surely didn't look smallI don't know what qualifies as a "BIG GUY" but I'm bigger than most guys at 5-9" 245 and Iv never been called small by anyone. And I know for a fact of at least one Olympia competitor using low dose test....and I'm talking 200 mg a week bud. And none of them are small. Sure anyone can get bloated and full of water get bitch titts and high blood preassure from running 2-3 grams a week of test but a big bloated red faced whale with a big gut ful of water is not appealing to the eye and it's just not healthy.

 

[Alzadosghost]

I'll also say from my own experience Iv been my heaviest at 265 while on 2000+ mg of test weekly and I don't think it made me stronger than a low test high deca cycle. I looked like shit was always winded got sum acne which I never get and my blood preassure was deathly high. Sure I was heavy but doing all this for so many years I know lbs on the scale do NOT dictate how much actual muscle I'm growing. I go by look, feel and by the way normal people stare at me when I'm out and about. Those looks say a lot. When I'm veiny as fuck and every muscle pops just standing in line at the grocery store and people notice that........and I actually notice myself that I look different than 99% of mankind I know Iv done something right. Looking back to the 90,s when I ran high test cycles and thought I was big because my arms didn't fit in shirts and I had to cut all the sleeves off....looking at old pictures all I notice is my big gut and my moon face. I only had one vein you could see lol the old brachial vein which is no milestone I looked like shit. perception and self image is much different now.

 

[B-Trotter]

You noticed fat loss with Deca?

Unless there's a reasonable alternative​, yes.

I'm pretty gutted that I stayed away from deca all this time having fallen for the internet hysteria about bloat. Of course, individual responses to drugs and diet are the most significant factors here.

I'll be getting bloods in a couple weeks. I'm hoping that the deca hasn't raised my RBC, haematocrit, etc... too drastically.