Lowest Deca dose for joints(Vets, Older Bros)

[x1xjcramair1x1]

Everyone is different, but for me, it's 200mg NPP/per week. My shoulders and elbows feel much better, but as others have said this isn't a cure. It's a bandaid, at best.

 

[Chinaski]

I’ll catch shit for this, but a month ago I read some people’s experiences with a nandrolone based TRT. I have almost zero cartilage left in my glenohumeral joint in right shoulder, and have suffered a supraspinatus tear there as well. A couple guys were running nandrolone as a base, and very low doses of test just for estrogen. So I did 100mg of nandrolone a week with 100mg of test, and played around with it and found 200mg of nandrolone and 40mg of test has me feeling great again. I have zero needs for AI either. Might be worth expirementing with for you. I find as I got older I have more issues with estrogen, but any AI at any dose just kills my joints after a couple weeks. Nandrolone base and very low test so far have been great IME.

 

[pins]

I do 250mg deca per week for all of its benefits.Joint pain at the top of the list and the added strength.

 

[yellowbird1]

I'll give my own experience. I'm 39, was rx'd 120mg deca per week for my right knee. Currently just on trt. 120mg deca worked great for the knee but after a few weeks was starting to give me classic nandrolone sides so I dropped to 50mg but I started feeling my knee pain again. Bumped to 75mg the last two weeks but still feel my knee. Ill try 100mg next and see if there's a sweet spot for me or if I need to only run nandrolone during bulks due to the sides (laziness)

 

[Duc999]

Bros, I hate deca(acne, depression) but now mid 40's & joints hurt. Whats the lowest effective dose of deca for joints? I'm thinking 50mg/wk or less added to TRT

I'm on the wrong side of 55 closer to 60. I get 200mg test week from the doc
I've tried to get away with as little Deca as I can while on TRT.
30, 50, 75, 100mg and nothing. 150mg it's helping 200mg is as good as I
get even at a higher dose.
I ran each dose for a good amount of time to give it a chance.

 

[homonunculus]

Nandrolone decanoate relieves joint pain in hypogonadal men: a novel prospective pilot study and review of the literature - PMC

Testosterone is an archetypal androgenic-anabolic steroid (AAS), while its exogenous administration is considered to be the gold standard for the treatment of male hypogonadism. The benefits are not due to its intrinsic nature alone but are due to ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Intervention​

Eligible participants initiated intramuscular ND dosed at one-half of their current testosterone cypionate regimen (e.g., a participant using 200 mg testosterone cypionate weekly would continue that dose in addition to beginning 100 mg ND weekly). All other medications, including testosterone dosage, were kept constant throughout the trial period. The dose of ND was also kept constant until all data was collected.

Results​

Forty-eight eligible patients completed the initial survey, and 18 men (37.5%) responded to follow-up requests. The median duration of therapy was 62 [interquartile range (IQR), 48–73] days, and the median dose of ND was 110 (IQR, 100–150) mg. Participants’ mean age was 46 [standard deviation (SD), 11] years old with a racial makeup consisting of 15 Caucasian, 2 Hispanic, and 1 African American.

Of the 18 men who responded to their follow-up request, 13 (72.2%) reported marked improvements in joint pain, with 5 (27.8%) reporting a decreased need for longstanding pain medication. Amongst responding patients, pain scores were reduced on average by 52%. Even when accounting for treatment non-responders, the collective improvement in pain scores observed across each of the 4 sub-categories of the RAPS was both statistically significant and profound (Figure 2). No adverse events were noted.

Figure 2.​

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Mean RAPS scores before and after ND treatment. *, P<0.05. RAPS, Rheumatoid Arthritis Pain Scale; ND, nandrolone decanoate; SD, standard deviation.

 

[MightyJohn]

Nandrolone decanoate relieves joint pain in hypogonadal men: a novel prospective pilot study and review of the literature - PMC

Testosterone is an archetypal androgenic-anabolic steroid (AAS), while its exogenous administration is considered to be the gold standard for the treatment of male hypogonadism. The benefits are not due to its intrinsic nature alone but are due to ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"

Intervention​

Eligible participants initiated intramuscular ND dosed at one-half of their current testosterone cypionate regimen (e.g., a participant using 200 mg testosterone cypionate weekly would continue that dose in addition to beginning 100 mg ND weekly). All other medications, including testosterone dosage, were kept constant throughout the trial period. The dose of ND was also kept constant until all data was collected.

Results​

Forty-eight eligible patients completed the initial survey, and 18 men (37.5%) responded to follow-up requests. The median duration of therapy was 62 [interquartile range (IQR), 48–73] days, and the median dose of ND was 110 (IQR, 100–150) mg. Participants’ mean age was 46 [standard deviation (SD), 11] years old with a racial makeup consisting of 15 Caucasian, 2 Hispanic, and 1 African American.

Of the 18 men who responded to their follow-up request, 13 (72.2%) reported marked improvements in joint pain, with 5 (27.8%) reporting a decreased need for longstanding pain medication. Amongst responding patients, pain scores were reduced on average by 52%. Even when accounting for treatment non-responders, the collective improvement in pain scores observed across each of the 4 sub-categories of the RAPS was both statistically significant and profound (Figure 2). No adverse events were noted.

Figure 2.​

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Mean RAPS scores before and after ND treatment. *, P<0.05. RAPS, Rheumatoid Arthritis Pain Scale; ND, nandrolone decanoate; SD, standard deviation.

Thank You for that contribution Sir!!

 

[homonunculus]

Thank You for that contribution Sir!!

Absolutely! Figured it fit your situation pretty well!

-S

 

[Jefe]

100mgs kicked in. It’s soooo much better than 50 or 75mg for me.

I forgot my knee braces and didn’t die at work.

 

[Mufasa123]

100mgs kicked in. It’s soooo much better than 50 or 75mg for me.

I forgot my knee braces and didn’t die at work.

I recently was changing some things and taking deca out for a bit. When my normal levels from 200mg weekly hit levels more in line with 100 or maybe a bit lower, I could feel a reduction in joint benefit. Still fine but not as good.

Definitely dose dependent and individual dependent. I find 200mg maxes joint benefits. 100mg is OK but not as good. No real benefits over 200mg for joints on me (size/strength sure). Not sure where diminishing returns hits on me but somewhere between 100-200mg.

 

[dieselbuilder]

100mgs kicked in. It’s soooo much better than 50 or 75mg for me.

I forgot my knee braces and didn’t die at work.

Yea I recently did the same. Big difference. I feel so much better. Also added an amp of alflutop EOD and man my joints feel great. I have a lingering knee injury that’s coming along nicely

 

[Theone233]

Doing 125mg a week and it def seems to be helping my shoulders

 

[nothuman]

Nandrolone decanoate relieves joint pain in hypogonadal men: a novel prospective pilot study and review of the literature - PMC

Testosterone is an archetypal androgenic-anabolic steroid (AAS), while its exogenous administration is considered to be the gold standard for the treatment of male hypogonadism. The benefits are not due to its intrinsic nature alone but are due to ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

“Forty-eight eligible patients completed the initial survey, and 18 men (37.5%) responded to follow-up requests. The median duration of therapy was 62 [interquartile range (IQR), 48–73] days, and the median dose of ND was 110 (IQR, 100–150) mg. Participants’ mean age was 46 [standard deviation (SD), 11] years old with a racial makeup consisting of 15 Caucasian, 2 Hispanic, and 1 African American.

Of the 18 men who responded to their follow-up request, 13 (72.2%) reported marked improvements in joint pain, with 5 (27.8%) reporting a decreased need for longstanding pain medication. Amongst responding patients, pain scores were reduced on average by 52%. Even when accounting for treatment non-responders, the collective improvement in pain scores observed across each of the 4 sub-categories of the RAPS was both statistically significant and profound (Figure 2). No adverse events were noted.”

That doesn’t mean less doesn’t work. It just means this was the average dose among the participants.

 

[MightyJohn]

Yea I recently did the same. Big difference. I feel so much better. Also added an amp of alflutop EOD and man my joints feel great. I have a lingering knee injury that’s coming along nicely

Aflutop, I remember that stuff, used to work great!!


As an update, 3 pins in 100mg wk 1, 50mg wks 2&3...so far so good, seems perfect, healing from My car accident nicely

 

[broncos62577]

There are actual clinical studies online if you look around. Positive results for test subjects were reported with doses as low as 30mg/wk. But as anyone will say, it'll always depend on the person.

 

[gauge22-v2]

I tried 100mg Deca a week for a few months, with real TRT.

I did not get anything from it as far as joint relief.

I think it likely has potential, but I also think that it truly depends on what physical issue you have with your joints.

 

[OldManLogan]

Quick question to those who found joint pain relief from Deca- how long after you started did you feel relief?

And does NPP offer a similar benefit?

 

[Mufasa123]

Quick question to those who found joint pain relief from Deca- how long after you started did you feel relief?

And does NPP offer a similar benefit?

From the large majority that it does work for (using it since the 90s and helped heal up a shit load of stuff), about 2 weeks to notice I think. If I'm using it for a real purpose I'll frontload a week though (so say 400mg wk 1 and then 200mg wk 2 and on).

Not sure on NPP as I don't use the short Ester. From experiences I've read some say it works for them but a lot of people find deca is better and works even if NPP doesn't on them. Odd, but I just use deca. Might need higher relative dose of NPP vs deca as effect is dose dependent. No idea but the answers for NPP are a shotgun pattern.

 

[juiceddunk_backup]

50 to 100mg works great for....ruptured both quad tendons at the same time 11 years. still train hard just use more intensity techniques.

 

[OldManLogan]

From the large majority that it does work for (using it since the 90s and helped heal up a shit load of stuff), about 2 weeks to notice I think. If I'm using it for a real purpose I'll frontload a week though (so say 400mg wk 1 and then 200mg wk 2 and on).

Not sure on NPP as I don't use the short Ester. From experiences I've read some say it works for them but a lot of people find deca is better and works even if NPP doesn't on them. Odd, but I just use deca. Might need higher relative dose of NPP vs deca as effect is dose dependent. No idea but the answers for NPP are a shotgun pattern.

Thank you! Having never tried Deca, it’s definitely a thought- I’ve got shoulder joint pain that might benefit from this, but of course I want to avoid sides as much as possible- but considering the long ester. So, still under consideration…