Lowest effective dosages?

AP13 · May 15, 2007

I did a search on this and didn't find very much. Anyways, I just back back from visiting my cousin who is running 250mg of sust once a week, 200 mg of deca a week, and 20 mg of var a day and he looks and feels great. His body is just really pumping up. He pretty much eats whatever he wants and since he added the var his arms, legs, and shoulders are like roadmaps he's so vascular and his diet consist of pizza, subs, steaks, wings, etc. I'm new to all this but from reading all the stickies and researching this site for months now this seems pretty incredible. His stats are he's 41, 5-6, 185 lbs, and about 10-15 lbs overweight all in his gut area. I guess my question/comment is is this pretty atypical results? From what I've read he's doing everything wrong and yet the results, except for his gut, are really good.

Dahouse · May 15, 2007

AP13 said:
I did a search on this and didn't find very much. Anyways, I just back back from visiting my cousin who is running 250mg of sust once a week, 200 mg of deca a week, and 20 mg of var a day and he looks and feels great. His body is just really pumping up. He pretty much eats whatever he wants and since he added the var his arms, legs, and shoulders are like roadmaps he's so vascular and his diet consist of pizza, subs, steaks, wings, etc. I'm new to all this but from reading all the stickies and researching this site for months now this seems pretty incredible. His stats are he's 41, 5-6, 185 lbs, and about 10-15 lbs overweight all in his gut area. I guess my question/comment is is this pretty atypical results? From what I've read he's doing everything wrong and yet the results, except for his gut, are really good.

People may disagree with me, but if this is his first cycle then I don't find what he is seeing as atypical. While he isn't eating clean it does sound like he is putting in enough calories. What was his starting weight?

I have different goals than most on PM, I have no ambitions of competing, I just like to lift weights and take care of myself. I haven't run a cycle in a couple of years, but when I did, I always found I responded well to low dosages, (2-300mg test & 300mg deca or EQ). I have run a cycle that had bigger dosages but really didn't see any more gains.

As his weight and muscle mass goes up he may need to up his dosages to see progress... just my 2cents...

oldfella · May 15, 2007

The Fat around his gut is not only the result of his slack diet but it is also influenced by estrogen. His bad habits will come back to bite him later!

As for low dose. My Training partner is on his first ever cycle of Test cyp and deca. 200mg/wk of each. He is getting very strong and very big! been about 10weeks now and still gaining. You do not need orals. Your friend (hopefully) will not find out the hard way about his poor eating habits and all the saturated fats he is taking in while on gear. His BP is most likely high and his cholesterol will not be good at all. He needs to clean up his diet or drop the gear.

BIGGUNS101 · May 15, 2007

I believe it has to do with how primed your body is. Ive had my body dialed in now for years, no slacking in dieting and training and I get good results from 300mgs of test, 150 of deca, 50mgs of proviron and 4iu's of GH. This may seem like alot, but the idea is to create synergy between the compounds your using. By adding proviron you can get away with less test, deca you dont need to run a high dosage (my joints hurt bad when I come off high deca dosages for awhile) and using a DHT. GH/T-4 just seemed to bring the whole thing together, by burning fat it allows you to eat more calories and carbs with out increasing BF too much helping you bulk.

aw1218 · May 16, 2007

Oh, his diet is dirty! He is a recreational bodybuilder. ENd of discussion!

street · May 16, 2007

I think this is more of a question of "can I get a garantee for myself that if i take a low dose I will look like such and such".I do not want to be rude but to be 5'6 and 185 you do not need gear.The reality is if you get a little gains you will always want more so you take a bit more.What is another 15 lbs on 185 ?not much really and it could be done clean.Now going from 250 to 275 thats a different story.

Luis · May 16, 2007

I think the min dosage is 250mg Testo

KillerStack · May 16, 2007

That's not an extremely small amount of gear. Of course he is going to get results off of that. Look at BALDNAZI, he is on 200mg cyp and his total test is 2000ng. Your friend is on roughly that PLUS Deca and Var. I have seen beginners get major results off just 250mg test or just 200mg Deca even.

Big Danny · May 17, 2007

That's nothing unusual, it is a reasonable ammount.

lucian · May 17, 2007

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bottome line is no two people are the same. some can eat crap and look great, others eat one dorito and look like crap. it might just be his genetics.
the guy who sold me my first cycle freaed out on my gains.
i did 1 sust 250 for 12 weeks and in the middke added 1 primoteston depot, and 1 3mg dbol called anabolex from the dominican republic.
my training partner use the same exact cycle. and what happened????
52 lb i gained in the 3 months.
yup 52!!! not all muscle but i was not fat by anymeans as im geneticaly a fairly lean person.
my partner?? 17 lb. he was pissed, but he looked great.
the guy who sold us the gear said i was probably so overtrained for so long from all those 3 hr workouts that my body was like a sponge. al i canged was i added gear.
moral of the story...your bud may be able to do the wrong things and grow for a while from genetics but soon he will have to trighten up his diet and training to get to the next level of his physique. some people just dont need a lot of gear and look great, others will take so much shit it will kill a cow but weigh 165 lb and look like crap.

GENETICS!!!!!!
lucian

Sasquatch · May 17, 2007

Everyone responds to gear differently, so there can be no minimum effective dose.
All things are never equal.. diet, genetics, workout routines...

AP13 · May 17, 2007

Thanks....

Thanks for the replies you guys. Interesting food for thought. My main reason for posting was because the board I used to frequent was pretty much of one thought on the subject of a beginners cycle and that was that anything less than 500 mg of test e or test c and 400 mg of deca or EQ was a waste. Also if you were going to run Anavar anything less than 40 mg a day was a waste. Obviously the opinions on this board are different as well as my cousin's results show you don't need such a high dose to show results.

Street, my question was what it was. I'm way too old to beat around the bush like a teenager.