Male fertility advice please...:

[ELIMINATOR]

No, you need a complete analysis. Count isnt the only factor especially considering your age. They need to also be active and normally shape. Get a dr to do an analysis and you will know where you stand. I wouldnt do anything before getting the analysis.

Mike's advice is dead on if you arent going to come off test. If you are willing to stop you could probably get where you need with hcg alone - this is what I did. The HCG also boosted my test levels to the 800-900 range, so I didnt need test anyway.

Bottom line, unless your body never produced sperm to begin with, you should be able to get to where you need to have a kid. Your wife is a different story.

What dose of HCG were you using to get your test level up that high? Did you feel just like you were on TRT?

 

[JMAC 21]

What dose of HCG were you using to get your test level up that high? Did you feel just like you were on TRT?

1,000 iu's MWF. Yes, I felt great. I had been off for over a year, did a proper pct and my test levels were at 400 when I started hcg. That year sucked! 4 weeks in test levels were at 600+, 8 weeks in at 890. Did a final test about 8 months in at just over 900. Never changed the hcg protocol. Sperm count went from sub 1 million to 3 million range to over 20 million. Total volume went up 3 fold, so total number of sperm per ejac was up like 30X. In the end we are doing IVF, my wife has issues too that we couldnt overcome. Those issues became much more apparent as we go through the ivf process.

 

[ELIMINATOR]

1,000 iu's MWF. Yes, I felt great. I had been off for over a year, did a proper pct and my test levels were at 400 when I started hcg. That year sucked! 4 weeks in test levels were at 600+, 8 weeks in at 890. Did a final test about 8 months in at just over 900. Never changed the hcg protocol. Sperm count went from sub 1 million to 3 million range to over 20 million. Total volume went up 3 fold, so total number of sperm per ejac was up like 30X. In the end we are doing IVF, my wife has issues too that we couldnt overcome. Those issues became much more apparent as we go through the ivf process.

Cool, that gives me some relief. On trt I sit around 700-800 T.

 

[holepoker]

What gender were your children? I’ve sad somewhere bodybuilders tend to produce females more often. (That might be more of an issue with the ones to take high doses for long periods)


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First child was a boy. To early to know for second.

 

[Mike Arnold]

That's the same Dave Palumbo Protocol. But he says no to anabolic steroids when using the protocol. I can't remember, but I think he also recommends 50mg of Clomid ED

Clomid is COMPLETELY USELESS with that protocol. It will do NOTHING.

Using AAS is also IRRELEVANT with this protocol, as HMG (LH and FSH) and HCG bypass the first two stops in the HPTA by going directly to the testes, where they send their signals to make sperm and testosterone.

Steroids don't hinder the testes ability to respond to LH, FSH, or HCG. Steroids only interfere with the hypothalamus and pituitary, as they stop the release of naturally produced LH and FSH, thereby preventing the testes from receiving the signals they need to produce sperm and testosterone. By injecting those hormone directly into your body you bypass the pituitary, so steroids will not interfere.

 

[Mike Arnold]

You don't advise clomid as well on that protocol?

NOPE...and especially not when using AAS simultaneously, but even if you aren't it is futile to use Clomid because HMG and HCG both suppress the HPTA at the level of the hypothalamus and pituitary.

What did I just say? Yes, HCG, as well as HMG (which is a mix of LH and FSH) will signal the hypothalamus and therefore the pituitary to STOP producing natural LH and FSH.

HCG and HMG have the same effect on natural testosterone and sperm production a steroids do, as they increase testosterone and sperm production artificially. The body senses that there is adequate testosterone and estrogen (just like when you take steroids) so it stops producing LH and FSH.


Just like you wouldn't use clomid when taking AAS because the steroids would suppress natural T and sperm production, so to do HCG and HMG suppress natural production, leaving you suppressed at two points along the HPTA--the hypothalamus and pituitary. However, the testes themselves will be fully recovered. This is why some people use HCG during their cycles...or as soon as their cycle is over (right before implementing SERM therapy). HCG is never used simultaneously with SERMs because the HCG is suppressive to the pituitary. However, because the person is already suppressed at the start of PCT its suppressive effects are inconsequential. The ONLY point of using HCG at the start of PCT is to prepare the testes to respond to LH and FSH, which is the job of SERM therapy and why SERMs always follow HCG during PCT.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Do you know from clients or first hand that this will work ON or OFF a TRT dose?

My wife and I just went to the doc and he prescribed me HCG and HMG. He said do HMG 3x per week and HCG Monday and Friday at 2500 iu's. However, he said I should go off of the TRT. I don't want to feel like shit, so staying on my TRT sounds much better. HCG and HMG are crazy expensive out of pocket though, so I'd hate to use them with TRT and not get my sperm count up. I was at i think 9 million while on trt.

I know first hand through NUMEROUS clients, many of whom have been taking boatloads of steroids, that the protocol works whether you are ON or OFF AAS.

Your TRT dose will not hurt you at all. HCG and HMG completely bypass the pituitary and go directly to the tests, stimulating sperm and testosterone production just like naturally produced LH and FSH. Your TRT will turn off natural LH and FSH production, but so does HMG and HCG, so taking testosterone is irrelevant. Testosterone, or any steroid for that matter, has no impact on the ability of HCG and HMG to stimulate testosterone and sperm production at the level of the testes.

 

[ELIMINATOR]

I know first hand through NUMEROUS clients, many of whom have been taking boatloads of steroids, that the protocol works whether you are ON or OFF AAS.

Your TRT dose will not hurt you at all. HCG and HMG completely bypass the pituitary and go directly to the tests, stimulating sperm and testosterone production just like naturally produced LH and FSH. Your TRT will turn off natural LH and FSH production, but so does HMG and HCG, so taking testosterone is irrelevant. Testosterone, or any steroid for that matter, has no impact on the ability of HCG and HMG to stimulate testosterone and sperm production at the level of the testes.

Thanks for the response, I appreciate it!

 

[lntense]

NOPE...and especially not when using AAS simultaneously, but even if you aren't it is futile to use Clomid because HMG and HCG both suppress the HPTA at the level of the hypothalamus and pituitary.

What did I just say? Yes, HCG, as well as HMG (which is a mix of LH and FSH) will signal the hypothalamus and therefore the pituitary to STOP producing natural LH and FSH.

HCG and HMG have the same effect on natural testosterone and sperm production a steroids do, as they increase testosterone and sperm production artificially. The body senses that there is adequate testosterone and estrogen (just like when you take steroids) so it stops producing LH and FSH.


Just like you wouldn't use clomid when taking AAS because the steroids would suppress natural T and sperm production, so to do HCG and HMG suppress natural production, leaving you suppressed at two points along the HPTA--the hypothalamus and pituitary. However, the testes themselves will be fully recovered. This is why some people use HCG during their cycles...or as soon as their cycle is over (right before implementing SERM therapy). HCG is never used simultaneously with SERMs because the HCG is suppressive to the pituitary. However, because the person is already suppressed at the start of PCT its suppressive effects are inconsequential. The ONLY point of using HCG at the start of PCT is to prepare the testes to respond to LH and FSH, which is the job of SERM therapy and why SERMs always follow HCG during PCT.

Makes logical sense. Thanks.


That way is preferred for me because I would rather remain on at least 100mg of test a week and still be able to be fertile without the use of clomid. That is if I am only going to be trying for a few weeks at a time.


What is the longest amount of time on the hcg/hmg combo do you advise? basically how long can I keep trying to get her preggo.

 

[emeric delczeg]

Clomid is COMPLETELY USELESS with that protocol. It will do NOTHING.

Using AAS is also IRRELEVANT with this protocol, as HMG (LH and FSH) and HCG bypass the first two stops in the HPTA by going directly to the testes, where they send their signals to make sperm and testosterone.

Steroids don't hinder the testes ability to respond to LH, FSH, or HCG. Steroids only interfere with the hypothalamus and pituitary, as they stop the release of naturally produced LH and FSH, thereby preventing the testes from receiving the signals they need to produce sperm and testosterone. By injecting those hormone directly into your body you bypass the pituitary, so steroids will not interfere.

Exactly, with out signaling to the messenger will be no communication, and it will happen only if the hypothalamus activity is restored.

 

[emeric delczeg]

Makes logical sense. Thanks.


That way is preferred for me because I would rather remain on at least 100mg of test a week and still be able to be fertile without the use of clomid. That is if I am only going to be trying for a few weeks at a time.


What is the longest amount of time on the hcg/hmg combo do you advise? basically how long can I keep trying to get her preggo.

All depend on you hypothalamus function.
Activin is produced in pituitary gland, activin increases FSH binding.

It participates in androgen synthesis enhancing LH action in the ovary and testis. In the male, activin enhances spermatogenesis.

 

[little slice]

for those who are having sons


be sure to have their genitals mutilated


there is no greater joy that you can experience than watching your infant son strapped down to a table and have pieces of his flesh sliced off


...afraid, writhing in pain.


the screaming... oh it is glorious.



ensuring that your son's first experience is fear and excruciating pain will be the perfect introduction to a life wherein he is expected to be a disposable field mule


and if he bleeds to death? if his genitals are reduced to a dysfunctional nub, ensuring him a life of misery and loneliness?











it's no problem, he's just a male (we can always make more).

 

[cachemoney]

I have 2 boys using a protocol similar to what MA posted.I did come off all steroids.As Monkey Boy already stated,get a semen analysis done first

Mike, did you use clomid on your protocol? I'm currently trying for a kid, what MA said concerning HCG and clomid makes sense. I've been using clomid along with clomid, now I'm considering just dropping the clomid and using HCG and the HMG I can afford.

 

[mike036]

Mike, did you use clomid on your protocol? I'm currently trying for a kid, what MA said concerning HCG and clomid makes sense. I've been using clomid along with clomid, now I'm considering just dropping the clomid and using HCG and the HMG I can afford.

No,I did not use any clomid.Me and my wife did see a fertility specialist and he prescribed me 10,000ius/week of hcg split M-W-F and 75ius HMG on Mon and Fri for the first 4 weeks only.HCG was continued until my wife got pregnant.I felt 10,000 ius/week of hcg was too much so I used that for the first month and then dropped to 5,000ius/week of hcg.

 

[johnjuanb1]

for those who are having sons


be sure to have their genitals mutilated


there is no greater joy that you can experience than watching your infant son strapped down to a table and have pieces of his flesh sliced off


...afraid, writhing in pain.


the screaming... oh it is glorious.



ensuring that your son's first experience is fear and excruciating pain will be the perfect introduction to a life wherein he is expected to be a disposable field mule


and if he bleeds to death? if his genitals are reduced to a dysfunctional nub, ensuring him a life of misery and loneliness?











it's no problem, he's just a male (we can always make more).

OUCH!!!! Hahaha

 

[cachemoney]

NOPE...and especially not when using AAS simultaneously, but even if you aren't it is futile to use Clomid because HMG and HCG both suppress the HPTA at the level of the hypothalamus and pituitary.

What did I just say? Yes, HCG, as well as HMG (which is a mix of LH and FSH) will signal the hypothalamus and therefore the pituitary to STOP producing natural LH and FSH.

HCG and HMG have the same effect on natural testosterone and sperm production a steroids do, as they increase testosterone and sperm production artificially. The body senses that there is adequate testosterone and estrogen (just like when you take steroids) so it stops producing LH and FSH.


Just like you wouldn't use clomid when taking AAS because the steroids would suppress natural T and sperm production, so to do HCG and HMG suppress natural production, leaving you suppressed at two points along the HPTA--the hypothalamus and pituitary. However, the testes themselves will be fully recovered. This is why some people use HCG during their cycles...or as soon as their cycle is over (right before implementing SERM therapy). HCG is never used simultaneously with SERMs because the HCG is suppressive to the pituitary. However, because the person is already suppressed at the start of PCT its suppressive effects are inconsequential. The ONLY point of using HCG at the start of PCT is to prepare the testes to respond to LH and FSH, which is the job of SERM therapy and why SERMs always follow HCG during PCT.

Have me considering going on TRT, but I've already been off for six months. It seems like even with fertility doctors from what I hear, they don't have it nailed down as what works with fertility.

 

[mike036]

Have me considering going on TRT, but I've already been off for six months. It seems like even with fertility doctors from what I hear, they don't have it nailed down as what works with fertility.

Hmg and hcg absolutely works.My sperm count was zero when I went to my first visit with the fertility doc and a couple of months later using hcg/hmg I was over 20,000,000

 

[cachemoney]

Hmg and hcg absolutely works.My sperm count was zero when I went to my first visit with the fertility doc and a couple of months later using hcg/hmg I was over 20,000,000

Have some on the way, used both in the last six months. but haven't been consistent(which I'm going to change that). Right now at 15 million, so hopefully I can raise it.

 

[johnjuanb1]

friend of mine found out he was raising a kid who wasn't his after 8 years


dearest wife was cheating on him throughout the marriage




so there's that...


estimates place 10-30% of fathers unknowingly raising another man's child. a simple test can save you tens of thousands of dollars, and loads of heart ache


the only ones who are impacted by paternity fraud are the innocent (the man and the child).




don't expect the worst, but be prepared for it

Your friend’s wife needs a beat down! Hire a gang of big mutha F’s to run a train on her caboose!
I guess you could say i hate cheaters just a little. Hahaha

 

[lntense]

All depend on you hypothalamus function.
Activin is produced in pituitary gland, activin increases FSH binding.

It participates in androgen synthesis enhancing LH action in the ovary and testis. In the male, activin enhances spermatogenesis.

Thanks for clarifying.