MASS MONSTER DIETS

[heavyhitter]

It's possible, but it requires consciously progressively overloading you food each year just like you do with weights.

I had days in the fall when I was putting down over 8,000 calories and 85% of that was clean food. To get there for most guys you're looking at intraworkout protein and carbs, a big postworkout shake (ex. 85g protein and 150g carbs), protein and carb shakes with your whole food meals, etc. As I've gotten bigger and bigger I've found there's a limit to whole food I can put down without slowing digestion and that's where liquid calories come in. Obviously insulin is going to be needed to put all that to use and using a small dose of thyroid hormone (ex. 100mg T4 and 12.5mcg T3) also helps.

Yep. When I was trying to get up over 270 pounds I had to start adding in calories from Gatorade several meals a day, and a pre/intra/post workout shake with 200ish grams of carbs in it

 

[qbkilla]

Yep. When I was trying to get up over 270 pounds I had to start adding in calories from Gatorade several meals a day, and a pre/intra/post workout shake with 200ish grams of carbs in it

At this point though do you think the forcing of calories was just leading to more fat gain? What was your bf at 270 I'd imagine insulin sensitivity was poor, body was stressed, you were overfeeding but the environment was not optimal for growth?

 

[luki7788]

At this point though do you think the forcing of calories was just leading to more fat gain? What was your bf at 270 I'd imagine insulin sensitivity was poor, body was stressed, you were overfeeding but the environment was not optimal for growth?

yes - people still can't understand that more food is not fixed at some point but even on the other side - not once a decrease will cause weight to grow, or rather muscle mass because it's something else than empty kilos

Insulin sensitivity is everything in culture

 

[heavyhitter]

At this point though do you think the forcing of calories was just leading to more fat gain? What was your bf at 270 I'd imagine insulin sensitivity was poor, body was stressed, you were overfeeding but the environment was not optimal for growth?

It definitely lead to increased fat gain, but I definitely gained muscle as well. And my strength was through the roof. And I’m sure insulin sensitivity sucked, but I was using a lot of insulin, gh, metformin, etc.
it was the only way I was going to put on more size, and my goals at the time were all strength based, so I didn’t really care. And it definitely lead to me being at my biggest when I leaned back out also. And bodyfat was around 18 percent at the heaviest

 

[heavyhitter]

yes - people still can't understand that more food is not fixed at some point but even on the other side - not once a decrease will cause weight to grow, or rather muscle mass because it's something else than empty kilos

Insulin sensitivity is everything in culture

I understood that just fine, but since I was competing in powerlifting and strongman events the increased weight meant increased leverage

 

[gains4000]

WOW I GOT SCREWED!

i got infected by Contaminated Beef and now doctors are alerting local farmers about a possible disease outbreak.

Doctor said worst comes to worst i can't eat any Beef for LIFE.

i was talking a lot of shit about Chicken and now it looks like i am stuck eating Chicken for a long time.

"You make plans and God Laughs"

 

[qbkilla]

WOW I GOT SCREWED!

i got infected by Contaminated Beef and now doctors are alerting local farmers about a possible disease outbreak.

Doctor said worst comes to worst i can't eat any Beef for LIFE.

i was talking a lot of shit about Chicken and now it looks like i am stuck eating Chicken for a long time.

"You make plans and God Laughs"

A doctor said you can't ever eat beef again because you got food poisoning? I would get another doctor, I've never heard of such a thing.

 

[gains4000]

A doctor said you can't ever eat beef again because you got food poisoning? I would get another doctor, I've never heard of such a thing.

Alpha-gal syndrome - Wikipedia

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My doctor thinks this is What happened. Since my symptoms occur a few hours after eating red meat.

 

[qbkilla]

Alpha-gal syndrome - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

My doctor thinks this is What happened. Since my symptoms occur a few hours after eating red meat.

I looked it up he thinks you for bit by a tick? It doesn't say you can get it from eating bad meat from what I can find.

 

[heavyhitter]

WOW I GOT SCREWED!

i got infected by Contaminated Beef and now doctors are alerting local farmers about a possible disease outbreak.

Doctor said worst comes to worst i can't eat any Beef for LIFE.

i was talking a lot of shit about Chicken and now it looks like i am stuck eating Chicken for a long time.

"You make plans and God Laughs"

Ya this would have absolutely zero to do with the fact that you are “contaminated” meat. And solely based on having been bitten by an American lone star tick. Pretty big guess by your doc without VERY extensive bloodwork

 

[gains4000]

Ya this would have absolutely zero to do with the fact that you are “contaminated” meat. And solely based on having been bitten by an American lone star tick. Pretty big guess by your doc without VERY extensive bloodwork

We’re doing stool samples and I’ve gotten blood drawn 2 days in a row.

I should’ve clarified he thinks it’s from a lone star tick or contaminated meat.

i really don’t know what’s going on but my second time eating steak from a different source I couldn’t stop vomiting and my throat started closing. My blood pressure went through the roof and it became hard to breathe.

I am on antibiotics now but if my doctor doesn’t understand what’s going on he will send me to a specialist.

I have trouble communicating with my doctor because his English is not great and I don’t speak any spanish

 

[Cerberus777]

Sounds gross, but beef, rice, soy sauce, and some of that fake PB2, sesame seeds, it reminds you of Chinese food buffets. You have to play with the ratios to nail it, but it’s a nice change

A little oyster sauce and chili and you have Pad Tai.

 

[qbkilla]

We’re doing stool samples and I’ve gotten blood drawn 2 days in a row.

I should’ve clarified he thinks it’s from a lone star tick or contaminated meat.

i really don’t know what’s going on but my second time eating steak from a different source I couldn’t stop vomiting and my throat started closing. My blood pressure went through the roof and it became hard to breathe.

I am on antibiotics now but if my doctor doesn’t understand what’s going on he will send me to a specialist.

I have trouble communicating with my doctor because his English is not great and I don’t speak any spanish

That makes more sense, doctor was speculating and poor English. I assume your not in the USA? I feel like here they would know right away.

 

[heavyhitter]

That makes more sense, doctor was speculating and poor English. I assume your not in the USA? I feel like here they would know right away.

He has to be in the US to have been bitten by a lone star tick

 

[heavyhitter]

We’re doing stool samples and I’ve gotten blood drawn 2 days in a row.

I should’ve clarified he thinks it’s from a lone star tick or contaminated meat.

i really don’t know what’s going on but my second time eating steak from a different source I couldn’t stop vomiting and my throat started closing. My blood pressure went through the roof and it became hard to breathe.

I am on antibiotics now but if my doctor doesn’t understand what’s going on he will send me to a specialist.

I have trouble communicating with my doctor because his English is not great and I don’t speak any spanish

That sounds a lot more like anaphylaxis than e. Coli from contaminated meat. I hope that’s not what it is brother

 

[gains4000]

He has to be in the US to have been bitten by a lone star tick

i don't want to dox myself for privacy but in north mexico we have lone star tick too.

That sounds a lot more like anaphylaxis than e. Coli from contaminated meat. I hope that’s not what it is brother

i hope its not either. i am just eating bread and rice cereal with almond milk for now. i'm going to lose a lot of size for the time being which is always a mind f#ck.

 

[TheRoid]

i don't want to dox myself for privacy but in north mexico we have lone star tick too.

i hope its not either. i am just eating bread and rice cereal with almond milk for now. i'm going to lose a lot of size for the time being which is always a mind f#ck.

Why? Fish and chicken should be perfectly fine

 

[gains4000]

Why? Fish and chicken should be perfectly fine

I can’t eat fish (allergic) but chicken I’ll do with. Just a little inconvenience not being able to eat Beef although it’s not end of the world.

 

[heavyhitter]

Why? Fish and chicken should be perfectly fine

It’s not even just that he can’t eat beef, he would have to avoid beef collagen too, which means gelatin, which is in a LOT of stuff

 

[TheRoid]

It’s not even just that he can’t eat beef, he would have to avoid beef collagen too, which means gelatin, which is in a LOT of stuff

Worst case scenario, I'd literally stuff myself with EAAs six times a day. I actually had to several times.
Where there's a will there's always a way, as much as it's difficult and challenging.
I speak from painful, horrendous experience. My own journey should have stopped a long time ago without some real iron will.
gains4000 brother, circumstances are tough but you are tougher. Cheer up!

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