Masteron question?

[Viva51]

Hey guys!

I've never taken masteron before. Do I need to take any finastride and/or rogaine with it?

Can't loose my mane!

 

[saps]

Are you currently dealing with hairloss? Or potentially prone to it? Genetics?

Hairloss with mast is like any other side from another AAS. You might or might not get it. I am an avid mast using and do not suffer from any hairloss but then again I'm not pre-disposed to it either. If you have a pre-disposition towards it having an ancillary product like fina might be a good idea.

 

[Viva51]

Thanks buddy!

I've heard that all the time. If you're predisposed to have hair loss. But how do I truly know if I am predisposed?

I mean my dad was bald but 3 of his brothers had full heads of hair. And him and his other brother are bald... And my dads dad had a full head of hair.

My moms dad has all of his hair still, and he is in his early 80s! But my uncle on my moms side is bald!

Not sure about my grandma on my dads side. But my grandma on my moms side, all of her brothers were bald.

So how the hell can I figure out if I'm predisposed or not???

I'm 26 and I'm currently on my third cycle. Mainly stick with Test and EQ.

To my knowledge I'm not experiencing any hair loss. And everyone I've asked including the chick that cuts my hair says it fine and looks the same.

Are you currently dealing with hairloss? Or potentially prone to it? Genetics?

Hairloss with mast is like any other side from another AAS. You might or might not get it. I am an avid mast using and do not suffer from any hairloss but then again I'm not pre-disposed to it either. If you have a pre-disposition towards it having an ancillary product like fina might be a good idea.

 

[saps]

I believe the geneticists says hair is determined by your mom's dad so if he's gtg in his 80's you might be free and clear. Having said that you truly never know till you try. There's just no guarantees in this game

 

[Elvia1023]

It's a combination of everyone. But you need to be looking at your uncles on your mums side and her dad too. I believe one is bald and one has full head of hair... so who knows. But I notice many bald people in your family so I would go by that. But yes mainly your mums side.

Your fairly young but still at an age where it may start to be noticed (so thats a good sign so far as you are fine). If your so worried I wouldn't risk it. Just stick to test, deca, eq, primo etc.

Thats the thing if your gonna go bald you will. If you weren't your not gonna start losing all your hair due to mast etc. But it doesn't help!

It all depends upon you. I started going bald very young. But I had the confidence and liked the look and it is easy to maintain etc. Some men completely crumble when going bald and lose all confidence... paying thosands for transplants etc. If it is that important try not to risk it so if you do ever go bald it is later in life.

Masteron is fantastic but it isn't some miracle drug so you don't have to use it. If you competed strong androgens would be a must but if you don't I don't see why test and eq/deca cant fulfill all your needs.

 

[Viva51]

Elvia!

I'm so glad you chimed in bro!!!

The whole reason why I'm switching to mast is because eq amps up my anxiety!

I've read you post about eq and anxiety! At the beginning of my cycle I was kick starting with prop! So I combined 150mg of Test E, 150mg of EQ, and 100mg of Prop eod for 5 weeks. I could tell that my anxiety went up a little. However, when the kick start was over and I switched to 2 shots per week of eq at 300mg my anxiety got really amped up!!

It's not worth it bro!

My other buddy recommend mast. But when I asked isn't mast only really used for cutting right before competing??? He said for the most part. But a cycle is what you make of it! Plus if your planning to eliminate eq from your arsenal then you want to have other options!

Thus, the plan is to switch to stacking Test with mast or deca. Possibly primo but it's pretty pricy.

So let me know your thoughts buddy! And if I should add finastride with mast?

Thanks!!

 

[saps]

I'm not Elvia but I'll give me my two cents. Go ahead and try it. Like E said if you eventually will be bald you will be and mast will not turn you bald overnight. Now finasteride can be a bit harsh on some so frankly I would not use it unless I knew I needed it.
Mast is generally not a compound you see used in every cycle/blast so a lot depends on your training goals, they should always dictate the compounds you select

 

[Viva51]

Thanks buddy!

I don't compete. Goals are to just be big, bad, and shredded! Lol.

But on a serious note, I can't just use deca for the rest of my life...need some variety.

So how is fina pretty rough on people?

Let me know your thoughts.

Thanks buddy!!

 

[saps]

If deca and eq are off your list its pretty much mast or tren then. You mentioned primo and its primo price.

To be frank test mast and tren are my favorite trio together very effective at achieving your big bad and shredded goal

 

[Mrtae]

Test, mast, and tren are the Trifeca!

 

[Viva51]

Thanks guys!

I've only ran deca once. I like the strength gains but didn't like the bloat and deca dick. Not opposed to it if those 2 sides can be avoided!

Isn't Tren know to amp up anxiety? Think it would be wise to stay clear if that's the case.

And how bout something like minoxidil instead of fina?

Thanks again!

 

[Elvia1023]

I'm not Elvia but I'll give me my two cents. Go ahead and try it. Like E said if you eventually will be bald you will be and mast will not turn you bald overnight. Now finasteride can be a bit harsh on some so frankly I would not use it unless I knew I needed it.
Mast is generally not a compound you see used in every cycle/blast so a lot depends on your training goals, they should always dictate the compounds you select

x2

If your prone to anxiety Eq is not good for most. Sure smaller frequent injections are better but it's playing with fire. Boldenone propionate could be used too.

Tren was mentioned... best thing ever but again the anxiety will get really bad. I feel tren changes you mentally more than any other aas. If you have anxiety/depression issues it may cause havoc on your system. I believe tren e was a predominant reason I started getting panic attacks (they lasted over a week and my anxiety continued after that). Obviously if you ever did try it tren a would have to be your choice... small daily injections would be best.

If you really want to try mast go for it. It is the best compliment to test. I know many who use it in every cycle they do. It acts as an anti-estrogen. I don't believe in using AI's and SERMS unless I had gyno issues or started doing much higher doses. High estrogen is fine if your test is high too... the interrelationship between the two is important. Therefore mast is great with test. There is no need to go above 350mg for most but everyone is different. I feel really good on mast and have nice aggression... not rage like tren can bring but just a nice feeling. Just adding AI's are very important if you wish to keep dry and hard etc... letro dries you out in days and you can look a different person. But for on cycle protection I would recommend aromasin then arimidex a close 2nd.

For the reasons mentioned above I don't rec fina... again it is harsh on the system. I have heard of it but am not aware of the other drug you mention so can't really comment. Just keep your mast dose at a reasonable level and you should be fine.

Deca is great... I love it. Obviously diet dictates your goals but for things you listed test and mast would be excellent. Throwing in avar or tbol would be great too. Look it proviron too (not needed with mast). Then of course primo but it is pricey... I have yet to try primo but it is my no.1 to try so will do soon.

So yeah look into test and mast. Test and primo. Orals such as tbol and avar. I hope I have helped.

 

[saps]

x2

If your prone to anxiety Eq is not good for most. Sure smaller frequent injections are better but it's playing with fire. Boldenone propionate could be used too.

Tren was mentioned... best thing ever but again the anxiety will get really bad. I feel tren changes you mentally more than any other aas. If you have anxiety/depression issues it may cause havoc on your system. I believe tren e was a predominant reason I started getting panic attacks (they lasted over a week and my anxiety continued after that). Obviously if you ever did try it tren a would have to be your choice... small daily injections would be best.

If you really want to try mast go for it. It is the best compliment to test. I know many who use it in every cycle they do. It acts as an anti-estrogen. I don't believe in using AI's and SERMS unless I had gyno issues or started doing much higher doses. High estrogen is fine if your test is high too... the interrelationship between the two is important. Therefore mast is great with test. There is no need to go above 350mg for most but everyone is different. I feel really good on mast and have nice aggression... not rage like tren can bring but just a nice feeling. Just adding AI's are very important if you wish to keep dry and hard etc... letro dries you out in days and you can look a different person. But for on cycle protection I would recommend aromasin then arimidex a close 2nd.

For the reasons mentioned above I don't rec fina... again it is harsh on the system. I have heard of it but am not aware of the other drug you mention so can't really comment. Just keep your mast dose at a reasonable level and you should be fine.

Deca is great... I love it. Obviously diet dictates your goals but for things you listed test and mast would be excellent. Throwing in avar or tbol would be great too. Look it proviron too (not needed with mast). Then of course primo but it is pricey... I have yet to try primo but it is my no.1 to try so will do soon.

So yeah look into test and mast. Test and primo. Orals such as tbol and avar. I hope I have helped.

Wonderful post Elvia, very well done.
I'll spin off some of the things you said.
Let me start by saying I don't put a lot of stock in the myth that is roid rage. If you get irritable on AAS, likely you get irritable off them. Having said that, as someone who does have a short fuse off AAS, when I pair both mast and tren that fuse gets even shorter and I must have a constant cognitive control over my temperment.
I'll concur that it seems for most guys the sweet spot of mast is 300-400mg a week. If you have mast-p I'd say 100mg EOD is a simple and easy way to do it. I've used 600-700mg of mast a week and there was not a perceptible difference to me. So if 350-ish is all you need go with that.
Reminds me of an old principle regarding many things in life including AAS dosing: As little as possible, as much as necessary.
The reason so many call test mast tren the trifecta is it flat out works.
Again just speaking personally I dose test at 175-250/wk, mast around 350/wk and tren 525-700/wk. This just flat out works for me. Now I've tried this trio with varying doses and nowadays I actually use as little as possible [the above dosing] but it is enough to give me results. Since neither tren nor mast give cause for aromatization concerns you only need to work about estrogen from test and at 200-ish the mast only might be enough to handle that like Elvia said. Now granted if someone was running over a gram of test and pair that G+ of test with 350mg of mast I would not say definitively that the mast alone is enough to control estrogen; but thats a topic for another debate.
So again to the point at hand for the OP. Mast clearly seems like your next move. Whether you add the third compound of tren is your call. One thing to remember is with deca and tren the conventional so called wisdom is that one needs more test than the deca or tren. Myth. If you have a trt dose of test thats honestly just what you need for sexual function. So called deca dick is not a result of a lack of test but rather a side effect of the mere presence of deca itself. Thus its cure will not be more test but rather an ancillary which corrects a problem deca induced whether that be progrestin or prolactin related.
As always and like anything just keep your eyes open for sides/issues and have the proper ancillary in hand prior to commencing this run with whatever compounds you end up selecting.

 

[Viva51]

Thanks guys! I really appreciate it!

So I'm in my 8th week of using EQ. Would you recommend just discontinuing it altogether And not finish out the cycle with it???

I agree that the smaller and more frequent injections help. But I still feel somewhat anxious. Not to the degree that I was feeling when I did 2 shots per week of 300mg of eq. But it's still there to a degree...

I am totally going to try the mast!!! I'll make sure to stay away from fina!

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So I'll probably try that.

Can I run Test E with mast? Or would Test prop be more appropriate? I just start to get frustrated with Prop cause it usually cripples me. That's why I usually use it as a kick start. But if I have to use prop I'll suck it up and use it.

Can you guys show me what a cycle of Test and mast would look like?

Thanks again!!!

 

[saps]

RE: EQ that's a call only you can make based on your perception of how bad your anxiety is.
You also seem really concerned with your hair. I suppose because I don't have to worry about that I cannot truly empathize. But yes whichever product you end up going with have it before you start the mast. Still there's a decent chance you never actually need it.

Finally yeah you can run test-e with mast-p or test-p with mast-e. Or really anything with anything else you just need to have your pin frequency accurate.
There's also a variety of ways to run test and mast. If you only have test and mast I'd go with as much test as you feel is necessary for your cycle gains and then the mast I'd start around the 350mg/wk area. If you opt to throw that tren in I'd keep the mast the same but then I'd definitely drop the test down below 250mg/wk. That's just me and not everyone agrees with this. But I find low test eliminates the so called tren sides for me.

 

[Elvia1023]

Again x2 to Saps

The Eq thing is upto you... but I know it isn't nice feeling even slightly anxious everyday. Are the gains worth it... entirely upto you.

I would just stick to test and mast for now. Mast is new so try it out. You could always try the 3 next time round.

Again pick any test you want. It's likely the BA content that is crippling you. If your using it now the last thing you want is another cycle like that. Again upto you. Mast p has never given me issues ever. Test P well I stopped my last one as it was crippling me so no point in using it.

Here's something alittle different but effective. This is what I have been doing . My cycle has been going great too... I am 15 pounds heavier (243 pounds 6ft 2) than my profile pic and leaner so on the right track to where I wanna be.

Anyway test c or e at a dose that is right for you. I don't know what your max total dose you have tried. Added to that 350mg mast per week. 1ml eod is a great way. But imo get 27G insulin needles and use it 50mg ed. All injections in the arms (and delts if you want). Just rotate right tri-cep, left, right bi-cep, left etc. I started at 40mg per day and moved up to 50mg. It really helps with arm development and I don't even know I have injected the next day. I believe it is best to use mast p everyday... same with tren a or test p etc.

Even 28G are fine if your oil is not too thick. You could use a big needle and syringe and inject it into the insulin needle. I just draw it up straight from the vial (takes secs) and I am ready to go. If it is thicker you can place the vial in boiling water for 30 secs (always good to do with all injs).

Let us know what you decide to do and keep me updated.

 

[saps]

Again x2 to Saps

The Eq thing is upto you... but I know it isn't nice feeling even slightly anxious everyday. Are the gains worth it... entirely upto you.

I would just stick to test and mast for now. Mast is new so try it out. You could always try the 3 next time round.

Again pick any test you want. It's likely the BA content that is crippling you. If your using it now the last thing you want is another cycle like that. Again upto you. Mast p has never given me issues ever. Test P well I stopped my last one as it was crippling me so no point in using it.

Here's something alittle different but effective. This is what I have been doing . My cycle has been going great too... I am 15 pounds heavier (243 pounds 6ft 2) than my profile pic and leaner so on the right track to where I wanna be.

Anyway test c or e at a dose that is right for you. I don't know what your max total dose you have tried. Added to that 350mg mast per week. 1ml eod is a great way. But imo get 27G insulin needles and use it 50mg ed. All injections in the arms (and delts if you want). Just rotate right tri-cep, left, right bi-cep, left etc. I started at 40mg per day and moved up to 50mg. It really helps with arm development and I don't even know I have injected the next day. I believe it is best to use mast p everyday... same with tren a or test p etc.

Even 28G are fine if your oil is not too thick. You could use a big needle and syringe and inject it into the insulin needle. I just draw it up straight from the vial (takes secs) and I am ready to go. If it is thicker you can place the vial in boiling water for 30 secs (always good to do with all injs).

Let us know what you decide to do and keep me updated.

I think we were separated at birth because damn we do think alike

Ditto on everything above. I do this exactly expect with 28G's

 

[Viva51]

Thanks E!

I am going to be Discontinuing eq. It's not worth it!

However, I'm Only going to be running Test
for the rest of my cycle! I'm on week 9.

How long can I be off AAS before I can start again? I've always been told I was suppose to stay off gear for however long I was on it before I can start my next cycle. What are your guys thoughts? And due to the circumstances of discontinuing the eq, what can I do???

Because I would like to get this mast going! But I don't want to wait forever. Because if I stuck to the rule of finishing out this now Test E "Only" cycle that means I have 7 weeks left of only Test. Then I would have to wait 15 weeks before I could start my Test/mast cycle! That's 22 weeks! I want to be safe, but there has to be some other options??

Please help guys!

 

[saps]

Viva there's many answers to your answer and none are more or less right than the other. People like myself who blast and cruise don't have your above concerns if I wanna blast for 12 weeks or 26 weeks I do and I have. A blast and cruiser is focused on the blasting and the cruising serves mostly as a check for health reason. So cycle/blast duration becomes a moot point so long as you are healthy. If you cycle however where you do come off completely duration can become an issue.
Perhaps a decent compromise for you might be to get the mast p and just run it for a few weeks [a prop estered product will kick in quickly and even a 4 weeks run will be noticeable]. You can then come off as you intended to and you will at least have some knowledge of how your body responds on the mast

 

[Dynomutt22]

Sneaky good for me

Viva there's many answers to your answer and none are more or less right than the other. People like myself who blast and cruise don't have your above concerns if I wanna blast for 12 weeks or 26 weeks I do and I have. A blast and cruiser is focused on the blasting and the cruising serves mostly as a check for health reason. So cycle/blast duration becomes a moot point so long as you are healthy. If you cycle however where you do come off completely duration can become an issue.
Perhaps a decent compromise for you might be to get the mast p and just run it for a few weeks [a prop estered product will kick in quickly and even a 4 weeks run will be noticeable]. You can then come off as you intended to and you will at least have some knowledge of how your body responds on the mast

Dawg is right on. You have to give it a shot. All of
This stuff has sides. Try it and see. You won't loose all your locks. But it was sneaky good stuff for me.

But I still consider myself a very much a beginner with about 6 cycles under my belt