Just met a fascinating dude in the gym and had a funny conversation. Guy is like 45 and in excellent shape. He says he will soon start his TRT protocol and plans on being on forever thereafter. Interesting thing is that he is a Professor of Veterinary Medicine and has studied anabolic hormones given to cattle for the last like 2 decades. He says that Trenbolone is extremely well suited for TRT if taken at extremely low doses and makes for the best possible add-on to Testosterone. His theory is that the best use of Tren in TRT is for the enhancement of Oxytocin. Now I have been fascinated with Oxytocin myself and actually the whole conversation started with Oxytocin and from there on branched into Tren.
I pushed him to tell me what dose he has in mind as his weekly Tren and he goes "Listen, I cannot prescribe doses". Anyway, can't blame the guy; If I were a Professor too, maybe I'd act the same way and he was being very respectful. He had me pull up my phone and go to the research study he wanted me to read. Here it is
He goes (paraphrasing): "I don't think a moderate dose of Tren in a 10 week cycle is going to do much harm to most guys, but even then if you have a high degree of genetic predisposition, a few of these cycles may result in problems. Absolutely no way to declare Tren a safe drug at bodybuilding doses". Then he says "Read the study and then think about how much Tren a human would need if the drug is having such huge potency. Bodybuilding doses may be completely unnecessary for some possible applications."
Here is the study's highlight
Yearling steers, 39 Friesians on an 18-month beef production system (group 1) and 38 Hereford × Friesians on a 20-month beef production system (group 2), were weighed, blood sampled and then half of them were implanted subcutaneously with 300 mg trenbolone acetate and 30 mg hexoestrol. All steers were then weighed and blood sampled at 1-month intervals for a further 3 (group 1) or 4 (group 2) months.
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Steroid treatment increased daily live-weight gain by 28 to 37% over the experimental period and the proportional response appeared to be correlated with the plane of nutrition. Neither prolactin nor glucose concentrations were affected by the treatment. However, in both groups 1 and 2, growth hormone concentrations were significantly higher in implanted steers, whilst urea-nitrogen concentrations were significantly lower.
That really is like WTF....
I do not know how much a Yearling Steer weighs but I am looking at pictures and these are like a year and half old animals. They definitely weigh a lot. They are given just one slow-release 300 mg Trenbolone Ace Implant and even after 4 months, there are significant effects. WTF. So 4 months is 16 weeks. For an animal of this size, comes out to less than 20 mg Tren Ace per week, does it not?
Could it be that those guys who add miniscule amounts of Tren to their TRT, like 10 mg - 20 mg every week or so are not out of their minds? Could even less than that do something? And on top, such a very small dose added to your fast acting testosterone injection will come out to a miniscule amount of oil.
Am I totally off base? What do you think?
EDIT: The above study shows the impact of Tren on many parameters, but the effect of Tren on Oxytocin is a different study altogether. I can post that too.... The above is just to show how small a dose of Tren may be needed.
I pushed him to tell me what dose he has in mind as his weekly Tren and he goes "Listen, I cannot prescribe doses". Anyway, can't blame the guy; If I were a Professor too, maybe I'd act the same way and he was being very respectful. He had me pull up my phone and go to the research study he wanted me to read. Here it is
Effects of trenbolone acetate and hexoestrol on live-weight gain, and serum hormone and metabolite concentrations, in steers | Animal Science | Cambridge Core
Effects of trenbolone acetate and hexoestrol on live-weight gain, and serum hormone and metabolite concentrations, in steers - Volume 38 Issue 3
www.cambridge.org
He goes (paraphrasing): "I don't think a moderate dose of Tren in a 10 week cycle is going to do much harm to most guys, but even then if you have a high degree of genetic predisposition, a few of these cycles may result in problems. Absolutely no way to declare Tren a safe drug at bodybuilding doses". Then he says "Read the study and then think about how much Tren a human would need if the drug is having such huge potency. Bodybuilding doses may be completely unnecessary for some possible applications."
Here is the study's highlight
Yearling steers, 39 Friesians on an 18-month beef production system (group 1) and 38 Hereford × Friesians on a 20-month beef production system (group 2), were weighed, blood sampled and then half of them were implanted subcutaneously with 300 mg trenbolone acetate and 30 mg hexoestrol. All steers were then weighed and blood sampled at 1-month intervals for a further 3 (group 1) or 4 (group 2) months.
....
Steroid treatment increased daily live-weight gain by 28 to 37% over the experimental period and the proportional response appeared to be correlated with the plane of nutrition. Neither prolactin nor glucose concentrations were affected by the treatment. However, in both groups 1 and 2, growth hormone concentrations were significantly higher in implanted steers, whilst urea-nitrogen concentrations were significantly lower.
That really is like WTF....
I do not know how much a Yearling Steer weighs but I am looking at pictures and these are like a year and half old animals. They definitely weigh a lot. They are given just one slow-release 300 mg Trenbolone Ace Implant and even after 4 months, there are significant effects. WTF. So 4 months is 16 weeks. For an animal of this size, comes out to less than 20 mg Tren Ace per week, does it not?
Could it be that those guys who add miniscule amounts of Tren to their TRT, like 10 mg - 20 mg every week or so are not out of their minds? Could even less than that do something? And on top, such a very small dose added to your fast acting testosterone injection will come out to a miniscule amount of oil.
Am I totally off base? What do you think?
EDIT: The above study shows the impact of Tren on many parameters, but the effect of Tren on Oxytocin is a different study altogether. I can post that too.... The above is just to show how small a dose of Tren may be needed.