Minimum gear to hold all gains?

[iron lifter]

Just curious what PEDS allow you guys to pretty much keep/hold your muscles/shape? For me i was amazed at how much i can hold using 3iu HGH and 250 test/150dhb . i mean at this point i cant train any harder or eat anymore to really get more out of using higher dosages and even then its not super noticeable lol.

 

[emeric delczeg]

Just curious what PEDS allow you guys to pretty much keep/hold your muscles/shape? For me i was amazed at how much i can hold using 3iu HGH and 250 test/150dhb . i mean at this point i cant train any harder or eat anymore to really get more out of using higher dosages and even then its not super noticeable lol.

How old are you?

 

[johnjuanb1]

It doesn’t take much to hold muscle. A little test and HGH is all you need.

 

[luki7788]

it depends how far you have come with your potential - if, for example, you have 180cm 100kg and 10% bf you can keep practically everything on such low doses but if you have 180cm 130kg and 7-8% bf you will need a lot to keep what you have

 

[Lumpi]

3g of AAS at least.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Just 750ml of Jack Daniels and I'm as big and strong as I ever was.

 

[dantes]

I think people wrongly assume they need far more to maintain then they actually do. But ultimately it depends on many variables.

 

[Cabron]

i feel like the question should be


what is the maximum dose you can use that will still allow your health markers to recover

 

[luki7788]

i feel like the question should be


what is the maximum dose you can use that will still allow your health markers to recover

use bio-identical hormones (test, gh, insulin, igf) then, even at fairly high doses, it is possible to maintain really good health parameters

 

[Cabron]

use bio-identical hormones (test, gh, insulin, igf) then, even at fairly high doses, it is possible to maintain really good health parameters

im planning my health phase



i want to use higher dose test and gh, but don't want to use AI.


not sure how to square that circle yet

 

[luki7788]

im planning my health phase



i want to use higher dose test and gh, but don't want to use AI.


not sure how to square that circle yet

I don't understand this fear of IA ... if you don't use too much to keep e2 normal, you don't have to worry about lipid deterioration etc.

 

[iron lifter]

How old are you?

41

 

[emeric delczeg]

41

You are still young, however after 40 our FGF levels start diminishing, you can use HGH to keep your IGF-1 in good range but you need to keep your FGFs in good range, this FGF growth factors are in charge with health and longevity, by increasing your IGF-1 to good range (normal) definitely will help, but you need the FGF to be in god range also.

 

[iron lifter]

You are still young, however after 40 our FGF levels start diminishing, you can use HGH to keep your IGF-1 in good range but you need to keep your FGFs in good range, this FGF growth factors are in charge with health and longevity, by increasing your IGF-1 to good range (normal) definitely will help, but you need the FGF to be in god range also.

thanks Emeric what is FGF?

 

[Tomgrass]

Regarding mg -1 mg of test per 1lbs
If you top it up by extra 100-200 mild anabolic or something like ostarine you are covered for sure.

 

[emeric delczeg]

thanks Emeric what is FGF?

Fibroblast Growth Factors, is 22 FGF in our body.

 

[emeric delczeg]

Regarding mg -1 mg of test per 1lbs
If you top it up by extra 100-200 mild anabolic or something like ostarine you are covered for sure.

Who come up with the 1mg test per 1 lbs body weight? is not true.

 

[Tomgrass]

Truth for many - including me. Some may need more depend on previous blasts some may need less. This is kinda go to formula if you are not sure. I tried on less and it was not enough.

 

[iron lifter]

over the years i have heard the following calculations that many mention or have them selves tried

TRT is .5mg per lb of bodyweight usually
Sports/Athletic TRT 1mg per lb of body weight

Elite powerlifters were using total gear in mg that equaled their 3 lift total (mentioned by Dave Tate many times)
IFBB pros were using 10 x their bodyweight in total mg .

again this is roughly of course some use more and less.

 

[emeric delczeg]

over the years i have heard the following calculations that many mention or have them selves tried

TRT is .5mg per lb of bodyweight usually
Sports/Athletic TRT 1mg per lb of body weight

Elite powerlifters were using total gear in mg that equaled their 3 lift total (mentioned by Dave Tate many times)
IFBB pros were using 10 x their bodyweight in total mg .

again this is roughly of course some use more and less.

Is no scient behind all this theories, usually the problem not gaining size is by not training hard and more frequent and not enough quality food, I am talking about real food no powders.