Minimum Time Off Before you Can Gain Again

[CodeGorilla]

There are a few threads in here about minimum time for a cruise before a blast. Inherent in answers to this question is a need to let your body recuperate. Obviously the beginner's adage for AAS use, is time off equals time on.

Ignore health (for the sake of the question): If you did a bulker with dbol only then cycled off with PCT, what is the minimum time off you would need before going back on and get equivalent gains. (All other things held equal here)

The question after that is what you should do to keep healthy if you were to do this. Glutathione injections might be one answer. I don't want to focus on that in this question though.

 

[hawkmoon]

If you are speaking of AAS, there is no need to go off to "get more gains"
This is an ancient myth. You might wish go off for health reasons and to reduce probability of needing TRT for life.

The oscillation of a comprehensive blast vs. cruise as in all-encompassing of PEDS, training, and food is individual dependant IME.

I can't leave this alone though - a dbol only cycle isn't a great idea. Not at all.

 

[Dens228]

I can't leave this alone though - a dbol only cycle isn't a great idea. Not at all.

You beat me to it....

 

[Heath82]

Why do I feel like op is 16?

 

[CodeGorilla]

"Dbol only cycle"... I used as an example to isolate all variables.

You aren't going to continuously grow on Dbol (or any AAS). You get that 15-20 lbs at the start of the cycle and then consolidate after that. If you want to gain again, you need to come off (somehow - possibly including blasting and cruising), and then go back on again.

 

[Sectør]

"Dbol only cycle"... I used as an example to isolate all variables.

You aren't going to continuously grow on Dbol (or any AAS). You get that 15-20 lbs at the start of the cycle and then consolidate after that. If you want to gain again, you need to come off (somehow - possibly including blasting and cruising), and then go back on again.

What he’s saying is you don’t need to come off to keep growing

You’re confusing puffing up with glycogen and subq water on dbol with actual muscle/tissue accrual, which is a much slower process. Nobody is adding 20lbs of muscle on a dbol only cycle, it’s mostly just water

 

[td]

Steroids increase protein synthesis. Over time, this leads to an increase in contractile muscle fiber.

As blood androgens climb initially, there's often an increase in muscle glycogen, which means more intracellular water.

There can also be a systemic increase in water retention, especially for compounds that aromatize to estrogen. Methandrostenolone, dianabol, is causing significant estrogenic activity for many.

 

[CodeGorilla]

What he’s saying is you don’t need to come off to keep growing

You’re confusing puffing up with glycogen and subq water on dbol with actual muscle/tissue accrual, which is a much slower process. Nobody is adding 20lbs of muscle on a dbol only cycle, it’s mostly just water

I guess that's the focus of the question?

 

[CodeGorilla]

Put on 45 lbs of "muscle" in 6 months. Good enough.

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[td]

That's the rebound effect, @troponin talks about frequently. Heck worked with Justin. The dosages in those pics are likely similar although the compounds likely vary....

 

[specter]

Put on 45 lbs of "muscle" in 6 months. Good enough.

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Dude there is so much more in play here..

 

[CodeGorilla]

Dude there is so much more in play here..

That may be true. Yet, I still have no answer to the question as posed.

 

[bbxtreme]

That may be true. Yet, I still have no answer to the question as posed.

Until your bloodwork is clean, vitals are in range and you are fully healthy. And can stay that way as you go back on cycle.

Please never do a dbol only cycle. Lol

Read through the forums. For new members it’s a gold mine and all these basic questions have been answered many times. Welcome to PM.

 

[CodeGorilla]

The "dbol only cycle" was to isolate all variables. And the question was meant to be independent of health and focused on when the same gains can be had by cycling on.

 

[bbxtreme]

The "dbol only cycle" was to isolate all variables. And the question was meant to be independent of health and focused on when the same gains can be had by cycling on.

@hawkmoon answered that question for you in his response.

 

[hawkmoon]

That may be true. Yet, I still have no answer to the question as posed.

I answered it for you straight off.

You do not need to cycle off and back on to maintain hypertrophy. The idea that androgen receptors require a "reset" or "cleaning" to remain effective is a physiological myth rooted in a misunderstanding of receptor regulation.
This theory incorrectly equates membrane-bound receptors (such as opioid receptors), which can rapidly desensitize or downregulate, with nuclear transcription receptors like the AR. The biological mechanisms are distinct; the science confirms that AR expression does not diminish simply due to prolonged exposure to ligands.

While periodic cessation may benefit systemic health markers, it is not a requirement for maintaining receptor sensitivity.

 

[Bleed]

What this man said is that Gear doesnt stop working. You cant start and stop and expect more gains. These arent opioids.

Coming off gear DOES improve labwork. Labwork bad? Drop or stop. Labwork good? Proceed with the mutation.

Dbol only cycles is also incredibly stupid.

Sorry to well thought out responses...But I think a translation might be required.

I answered it for you straight off.

You do not need to cycle off and back on to maintain hypertrophy. The idea that androgen receptors require a "reset" or "cleaning" to remain effective is a physiological myth rooted in a misunderstanding of receptor regulation.
This theory incorrectly equates membrane-bound receptors (such as opioid receptors), which can rapidly desensitize or downregulate, with nuclear transcription receptors like the AR. The biological mechanisms are distinct; the science confirms that AR expression does not diminish simply due to prolonged exposure to ligands.

While periodic cessation may benefit systemic health markers, it is not a requirement for maintaining receptor sensitivity.

 

[Orly23]

No such things as cleaning out receptors . Blast and cruise that’s all

 

[dieselbuilder]

Why do I feel like op is 16?

I think OP is worried he will get too jacked for his prom tux

 

[Alzadosghost]

"Dbol only cycle"... I used as an example to isolate all variables.

You aren't going to continuously grow on Dbol (or any AAS). You get that 15-20 lbs at the start of the cycle and then consolidate after that. If you want to gain again, you need to come off (somehow - possibly including blasting and cruising), and then go back on again.

You don’t need to come off. You just keep upping the doses eat more or change training or intensity or change compounds if your growth is stagnant. Why do I feel as if I’m speaking to a kid here because this is not advise for a kid.