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No such things as cleaning out receptors . Blast and cruise that’s all
I’m not sure I agree with you about cleaning out. I’d been using aas for decades and always came off for pretty long periods of time occasionally. But I recently came off for nearly two years and started up again with low doses and had better results than I did on my first few courses I ever ran and gained more muscle than I ever have. Recovery from aas is a real thing and you cannot recover from it if you don’t come off. Whether you all want to admit or not ass will and do cause problems with your body and mind and don’t see or feel it sometimes until you allow your body to return to normal function and start producing natural hormones again. Then again I’m no competitive bodybuilder whose livelihood depends on being huge. And my ego has never needed to be stroked by my size. Don’t get me wrong I like the feeling of not fitting into regular clothes, getting looks and being told I’m a freak. But it’s not what makes me happy. When my calcium score did not come back at zero I took a step back and said to myself these drugs have had a negative lasting possibly life shortening effect on me and realized life and longevity do matter to me and the ones that rely on me and love me the most. None of them care if I’m 255 lbs shredded.
 
I’m not sure I agree with you about cleaning out. I’d been using aas for decades and always came off for pretty long periods of time occasionally. But I recently came off for nearly two years and started up again with low doses and had better results than I did on my first few courses I ever ran and gained more muscle than I ever have. Recovery from aas is a real thing and you cannot recover from it if you don’t come off. Whether you all want to admit or not ass will and do cause problems with your body and mind and don’t see or feel it sometimes until you allow your body to return to normal function and start producing natural hormones again. Then again I’m no competitive bodybuilder whose livelihood depends on being huge. And my ego has never needed to be stroked by my size. Don’t get me wrong I like the feeling of not fitting into regular clothes, getting looks and being told I’m a freak. But it’s not what makes me happy. When my calcium score did not come back at zero I took a step back and said to myself these drugs have had a negative lasting possibly life shortening effect on me and realized life and longevity do matter to me and the ones that rely on me and love me the most. None of them care if I’m 255 lbs shredded.
Sorry man but its not a thing, steroids bind to the receptor and stay there until it dies and new receptors are "born" the whole cleaning out it just doesnt exist. There is alot of papers out there showing how the androgen receptor works, you just cant clean em out.
 
Sorry man but it’s not a thing, steroids bind to the receptor and stay there until it dies and new receptors are "born" the whole cleaning out it just doesnt exist. There is alot of papers out there showing how the androgen receptor works, you just cant clean em out.
Well then the stuff im
Using now must just be a lot better than the human grade real pharma gear I started out with. Because nothing else changed to produce better results besides eating far less protein and training super light and less often. It must be that eating far less, consuming way less protein under 150 grms a day and training a lot less often and really super light a new training principle that’s more effective than every other method Iv tried. I must be onto something here.
 
Well then the stuff im
Using now must just be a lot better than the human grade real pharma gear I started out with. Because nothing else changed to produce better results besides eating far less protein and training super light and less often. It must be that eating far less, consuming way less protein under 150 grms a day and training a lot less often and really super light a new training principle that’s more effective than every other method Iv tried. I must be onto something here.
There are a ton of things in even what you mentioned here, and there could be more. You could have been overtraining, your digestive system overburdened with too much protein. Just too many confounding variables.

But we do know how the AR works, so at least that part is nailed down.
 
If health is not a consideration then there is no reason to come off or worry about the dosage. Just do more till it stops working.
Seems most follow a different path then that though.
 
The topic of "receptor clearing" has been considered a myth for many years, but as practice shows, online opinions are emerging that it's not all that black and white. If I try to break it down, a theory comes to mind. I emphasize: THEORY.

-Bodybuilder x takes high doses for years. He reaches a weight of 260 pounds. Suddenly, due to personal reasons, he stops taking steroids and drops to 190 pounds.

-When bodybuilder x is able to train and take steroids again, he starts with small doses. And here, in addition to "muscle memory," something we'll simply call "steroid memory" is triggered. The muscles are hungry not only for training and stimulation but also for a dose of androgens. As soon as muscles receive a minimal stimulus in the form of training, food, and a small dose of steroids, they quickly "remember" what it was like to be bigger and stronger, so they respond with rapid and powerful growth—even though bodybuilder x's dose is much lower than before.

-During his break from training and steroid use, bodybuilder x stabilized his health and financial situation, for example, his life is much less stressful, he absorbs food better, trains well, sleeps well, and recovers well. All of this translates into even better progress.

-In addition, perhaps one of the most important factors in bodybuilding is time. This phenomenon is hard to read about in a 20-year-old, but it's already visible in a 40-year-old, experienced bodybuilder. During the first phase of high doses, bodybuilder x managed to build a lot of real muscle tissue. When it was lost during the break, during the recovery period, the muscles not only replenish glycogen and water but also return to their previous, true fiber thickness more easily. This creates the impression of rapid growth: the muscles are simultaneously rebuilding old fibers and replenishing them with glycogen.

That's my theory as to why bodybuilders who used high doses grow like weeds on low doses after a break. I don't think I've forgotten any factors that could have contributed to this.

There's probably no point in going into detail about the genetics involved in all this, because I'd have to write a book, lol.

Of course, it can be simplified, as Big A wrote long ago: if your health is good, the more you take, the more you'll grow, and there's no need to take a break from high doses. But we're talking about a different situation here, so I'm deliberately leaving that out.

This is a load of nonsense, but is there any truth to it? I don't know, but I wanted to share my thoughts.
 
The topic of "receptor clearing" has been considered a myth for many years, but as practice shows, online opinions are emerging that it's not all that black and white. If I try to break it down, a theory comes to mind. I emphasize: THEORY.

-Bodybuilder x takes high doses for years. He reaches a weight of 260 pounds. Suddenly, due to personal reasons, he stops taking steroids and drops to 190 pounds.

-When bodybuilder x is able to train and take steroids again, he starts with small doses. And here, in addition to "muscle memory," something we'll simply call "steroid memory" is triggered. The muscles are hungry not only for training and stimulation but also for a dose of androgens. As soon as muscles receive a minimal stimulus in the form of training, food, and a small dose of steroids, they quickly "remember" what it was like to be bigger and stronger, so they respond with rapid and powerful growth—even though bodybuilder x's dose is much lower than before.

-During his break from training and steroid use, bodybuilder x stabilized his health and financial situation, for example, his life is much less stressful, he absorbs food better, trains well, sleeps well, and recovers well. All of this translates into even better progress.

-In addition, perhaps one of the most important factors in bodybuilding is time. This phenomenon is hard to read about in a 20-year-old, but it's already visible in a 40-year-old, experienced bodybuilder. During the first phase of high doses, bodybuilder x managed to build a lot of real muscle tissue. When it was lost during the break, during the recovery period, the muscles not only replenish glycogen and water but also return to their previous, true fiber thickness more easily. This creates the impression of rapid growth: the muscles are simultaneously rebuilding old fibers and replenishing them with glycogen.

That's my theory as to why bodybuilders who used high doses grow like weeds on low doses after a break. I don't think I've forgotten any factors that could have contributed to this.

There's probably no point in going into detail about the genetics involved in all this, because I'd have to write a book, lol.

Of course, it can be simplified, as Big A wrote long ago: if your health is good, the more you take, the more you'll grow, and there's no need to take a break from high doses. But we're talking about a different situation here, so I'm deliberately leaving that out.

This is a load of nonsense, but is there any truth to it? I don't know, but I wanted to share my thoughts.
Muslce memory is largely due to the increase of muscle nuclei done by steroid use wich we believe is more or less permanent, so thats been documented as well, specially anti doping agencies want that "excuse" to push out people who get caught using doping.

The androgen receptor itself if i remember correct has a life cycle around like 10-48 hours, there is no "cleaning out" the receptor its not a thing.
 
Muslce memory is largely due to the increase of muscle nuclei done by steroid use wich we believe is more or less permanent, so thats been documented as well, specially anti doping agencies want that "excuse" to push out people who get caught using doping.

The androgen receptor itself if i remember correct has a life cycle around like 10-48 hours, there is no "cleaning out" the receptor its not a thing.

A cellular memory mechanism aids overload hypertrophy in muscle long after an episodic exposure to anabolic steroids​

 
Bubble gut like the one you have ?
Buddy, who do you think I am? Some IFBB pro who makes a livinggg off of this physique? 😂
I'm blue-collar BBer. I'm a gym junkie. And I'm a freak. I'm also 6'0ft and between 320-330lbs depending on how many meals deep I am.
So you telling me i have bubble gut from growing tooo muuch muscle is like telling me i breathe air lol
I don't get offended by any of this haha. If you're gonna try to get under my skin, at least gimme something newww.

But personally, i dont think John (the guy in that photo) has a bubble gut. In that photo he's in prime offseason. He's also 6'6 and somewhere around 335lbs. Also...not trying to justify any of it. But find me a guy trying to grow, eating a ton of food, above 300lbs who DOESN'T have distention (and is not one of the 16 Olympians).
 
Buddy, who do you think I am? Some IFBB pro who makes a livinggg off of this physique? 😂
I'm blue-collar BBer. I'm a gym junkie. And I'm a freak. I'm also 6'0ft and between 320-330lbs depending on how many meals deep I am.
So you telling me i have bubble gut from growing tooo muuch muscle is like telling me i breathe air lol
I don't get offended by any of this haha. If you're gonna try to get under my skin, at least gimme something newww.

But personally, i dont think John (the guy in that photo) has a bubble gut. In that photo he's in prime offseason. He's also 6'6 and somewhere around 335lbs. Also...not trying to justify any of it. But find me a guy trying to grow, eating a ton of food, above 300lbs who DOESN'T have distention (and is not one of the 16 Olympians).
Dude is probably eating a lunchable right now for breakfast and weighing in at 140lbs. :ROFLMAO:
 
Bubble gut like the one you have ?
I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but your same fucking asshole you were before. You just can't get along with anyone. You act tough, but I am sure you got beat up a lot.
 

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