Mike, with all due respect…I think you are the man, but I have to disagree. I'm sorry…can't compare MK to pharma GH. That's just my opinion.
Whenever I see someone say this, they almost always neglect to make a dosage comparison. Without discussing that variable it's impossible to come a conclusion.
For example, would anyone in their right mind say that 1 iu of exo. GH is better than 25 mg of MK? Nope. At least that I've ever seen...because it's just not...not even close. 25 mg of MK increases both GH and IGF-1 levels much higher than 1 iu of GH...and provides better outward results by a landslide.
If you read my whole post above, you would see that I was comparing 25 mg of Mk to 3 iu of GH...and I most definitely stand by my belief that, for most people, 25 mg of MK will provide greater mass gains than 3 iu of GH. Not only are bodyweight gains (muscle fullness) almost always greater, but so are strength gains. IGF-1 levels are often higher as well.
Personally, I get much better muscle building results on 25 mg of MK than 3 iu of GH...and a LOT of people have said the same. Even the poster right above me said that he has been using 25 mg of my MK for a few weeks and it blows away his experience with 3 iu of pharm-grade GH. Do you know how many people on this board (and elsewhere) have said the same? A LOT, including many very reputable people.
On 1 iu of GH I notice absolutely nothing. No weight gain/increased fullness, no strength gains, and pitiful IGF-1 increases. On 2 iu I also notice basically nothing. IGF-1 goes up a bit, but my physique doesn't change. Even when taking 3 iu of GH I barely notice anything from a growth standpoint. I will gain a small amount of fullness and lose some fat over time, but my initial weight gains are minimal and my physique barely changes (aside from a few pounds of fat loss) even when using that dose for 4-5 months.
I am far from alone in that assessment. Many, many guys, including quite a few pros, have claimed that they didn't really notice anything when using 3-4 iu of GH daily (aside from some fat loss), and that GH's growth benefits didn't really start for them until they surpassed 5 iu.
But let's just stick with comparing 3 iu of GH to 25 g of MK. For most, 3 iu does very little to change the physique, either in the short or long-term (aside from a bit of fat loss, as I've already said). I don't see anyone saying they started using 3 iu of GH and packed on 10-15 pounds in 3 weeks, yet that is VERY common among MK users.
When referring to long-term, genuine muscle growth (not just intramuscular water retention) we need to look at IGF-1 levels, as IGF-1 is the primary factor responsible for stimulating genuine muscle growth.
Being that 25 mg of MK often increases IGF-1 as much or more than 3 iu of exo. GH, logic dictates that it would be A LEAST as effective for growth...and real-world results confirm this. It also bares mentioning that as a ghrelin mimetic, MK can cause the individual to significantly increase food intake, indirectly leading to additional muscle growth. I've even seen a couple people publicly post that they gained 27-30 pounds of bodyweight in 4-5 months of MK use. Both of them were drug-free guys who used MK for the first time. Obviously, increased food intake had to have been a significant contributing factor in this massive size gain, but this indirect mass-building effect should not be minimized, as it can be VERY helpful for a lot of people. I've often said that MK's appetite boosting effect is, for me, it's most important attribute.
Combined with MK's ability to dramatically and quickly increase muscle fullness, provide significant strength increases, and increase IGF-1 levels at least as much as 3 iu of GH, it is easy to see why MOST people claim to experience better results with 25 mg of MK than 3 iu of exo. GH.
So, when you say that MK-677 "can't compare" to exo. GH, you first need to take into consideration dose. I've said many times that when one gets up into the higher GH dosing range (8 iu or more) that MK can longer compare, but when we're talking about 3 iu of exo. GH, MK-677 frequently provides superior results...for many, many people, including the member in this thread (and many others on this board).