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im only listing the ones that were off and wanted to know if anyone had any thoughts or opinions for me.

liver sgot (ast) 49 u/l (normal is 0-41 u/l)
cholesterol 216 mg/dl (normal 140-200 mg/dl)
ldl 183 mg/dl
hdl 18 mg/dl (normal is 40 or higher mg/dl)

started taking taking 40mg oral winny and test e 500mg wk almost 6 weeks ago about to stop the win and stay on tes for 12 more weeks
taking liv.52 6 tabs per day
taking niacin 250mg per day
2000mg fish oil per day

i am done with the winny in two more days (6 week cycle)so i assume the liver # should get back in line. I am also going to up the niacin to 500 mg per day.

Any thoughts/ideas on anything else i shoud add or do differently?
also how bad are these numbers overall based on what i am on and what are thoughts on how fast liv #'s will align once i stop the win and how long until cholesterol #'s realign once i stop the tes e?

thanks in advance guys.
 
Your numbers are slightly out of range with the exception of hdl, and the culprit is most likely winny. You should be fine after a few weeks off the winny and your numbers should normalize. I would recommend trying to get more omega 3's in your diet or even supplement fish/krill oil so that your hdl increases and falls back in range.
 
Your numbers are slightly out of range with the exception of hdl, and the culprit is most likely winny. You should be fine after a few weeks off the winny and your numbers should normalize. I would recommend trying to get more omega 3's in your diet or even supplement fish/krill oil so that your hdl increases and falls back in range.

i do take 2000mg fish oil per day and i have wild caught salmon about 3x per week. how much fish oil would you recomend on a daily basis?
also i do have 3 whole organic brown eggs cooked with coconut oil every morning.
 
liver enzymes are fine. I wouldn't worry about a 49 even someone who trains and takes no orals could have a 49.
 
If your using niacin to raise Hdl I would up the dose to 1000 mg/day.i know Walmart sells a product called slo-niacin 500mg.it is not the flush free one .more than likely it is the winny that is causing the low Hdl and elevated ast so your numbers should return back to normal in 4-6 weeks
 
Don't use niacin for hdl. Use citrus bergamot. Eat avacados. Eat unroasted, unsalted nuts. 3g-4g epa and dha from fish oil. Coconut oil, wild fish, grass fed beef, pastured eggs. Do cardio.
 
Don't use niacin for hdl. Use citrus bergamot. Eat avacados. Eat unroasted, unsalted nuts. 3g-4g epa and dha from fish oil. Coconut oil, wild fish, grass fed beef, pastured eggs. Do cardio.

any reason not to take the niacin?
i will look into the citrus bergamot and i will up the fish oil. i pretty much do everything else, thanks!
 
any reason not to take the niacin?
i will look into the citrus bergamot and i will up the fish oil. i pretty much do everything else, thanks!

Originally posted by Doggcrapp 2/17


Niacin is done


Raising HDL (high density lipoprotein) AKA “good cholesterol” has been the holy grail of treating heart disease for years.The problem is that there is no proof that making the number higher translates to fewer heart attacks.There is ample proof that lowering LDL (low density lipoprotein) AKA “bad cholesterol” with statin medication does.Here is an editorial from today’s New England Journal of Medicine which summarizes the findings of an article which should put the nail in the coffin of routine niacin use.
Niacin and HDL Cholesterol — Time to Face Facts

Donald M. Lloyd-Jones, M.D.
N Engl J Med 2014; 371:271-273July 17, 2014DOI: 10.1056/NEJMe1406410
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ArticleFor the past four decades, the concentration of cholesterol contained in high-density lipoprotein (HDL) particles has been a major focus of research and a target for potential prevention opportunities. Data from observational epidemiologic studies have consistently shown a strong inverse association between HDL cholesterol concentration and the risk of coronary heart disease that is linear and graded, at least through the majority of the HDL cholesterol distribution encountered in the general population.1 But clinical trials have yet to show a causal role for HDL cholesterol or to deliver the longed-for outcome of reducing the risk of coronary heart disease and the broader cardiovascular risk by raising HDL cholesterol levels specifically.
Niacin, or nicotinic acid (also known as vitamin B3), is an essential human nutrient that increases HDL cholesterol concentrations by means of a variety of mechanisms affecting apolipoprotein A1, cholesterol ester transfer protein, and ATP-binding cassette transporter A1, all of which appear to enhance reverse cholesterol transport. Other effects of niacin also lead to modest reductions in low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol concentrations and more substantial reductions in triglyceride levels, all of which might be expected to have salutary effects on the risk of coronary heart disease. The earliest trial to test immediate-release niacin, the Coronary Drug Project, suggested that this might be the case among middle-aged men with coronary heart disease and marked hypercholesterolemia.2
In this issue of the Journal, the Heart Protection Study 2–Treatment of HDL to Reduce the Incidence of vascular Events (HPS2-THRIVE) investigators present data from the latest and largest trial to examine a strategy of raising the HDL cholesterol level to reduce cardiovascular risk.3 This rigorously performed randomized, controlled trial enrolled 25,673 adults, 50 to 80 years of age, with clinically manifest cardiovascular disease and addressed the clinically relevant question of whether extended-release niacin combined with laropiprant, a new agent that helps prevent flushing, could reduce major vascular events, as compared with placebo. Background statin-based therapy was standardized before randomization, resulting in a mean LDL cholesterol level of 63 mg per deciliter (1.63 mmol per liter) before study-drug treatment. During the trial, participants receiving niacin–laropiprant on average had an HDL cholesterol level that was 6 mg per deciliter (0.16 mmol per liter) higher, an LDL cholesterol level that was 10 mg per deciliter (0.26 mmol per liter) lower, and a triglyceride level that was 33 mg per deciliter (0.37 mmol per liter) lower than levels in those receiving placebo. Despite these favorable responses, over a median follow-up of nearly 4 years there was no significant reduction in the primary end point of major vascular events associated with niacin–laropiprant, with a rate ratio of 0.96 (95% confidence interval, 0.90 to 1.03). The lack of efficacy was uniform, with no substantive differences in response to therapy noted across the major prespecified subgroups.
Given this lack of efficacy, the most important and worrisome findings of HPS2-THRIVE were the adverse events associated with niacin–laropiprant. In addition to the expected skin-related adverse effects, there were significant and excess adverse events related to gastrointestinal, musculoskeletal, infectious, and bleeding complications, as well as substantial excess adverse events related to loss of glycemic control among persons with diabetes and new-onset diabetes among persons without diabetes at baseline. Of great concern was a 9% increase in the risk of death (number needed to harm, 200) associated with niacin–laropiprant that was of borderline statistical significance (P=0.08).
Also in this issue of the Journal, further data are provided by Anderson et al.4 regarding adverse events in the Atherothrombosis Intervention in Metabolic Syndrome with Low HDL/High Triglycerides: Impact on Global Health Outcomes (AIM-HIGH) trial,5 which had examined the addition of extended-release niacin versus placebo to statin therapy in 3414 patients with stable atherosclerotic disease and a low HDL cholesterol level. The AIM-HIGH investigators had found no benefit in terms of a reduction in cardiovascular risk with niacin, but they also had observed excess adverse events including skin-related, gastrointestinal, glycemic, and other complications typically associated with niacin use.5 The new data from the study by Anderson et al. suggest a significantly higher rate of infections and infestations among patients receiving niacin than among those receiving placebo, as well as a nonsignificantly higher rate of serious bleeding, in the AIM-HIGH trial, which was much smaller than HPS2-THRIVE.
It should be noted that the exhaustive systematic review of the literature performed by the recent American College of Cardiology–American Heart Association (ACC–AHA) cholesterol guideline panel identified many of these same niacin-related adverse events (in addition to excess atrial fibrillation). This assessment led to very limited and cautious recommendations regarding the use of niacin and extensive discussion of safety concerns in those guidelines.6 Whereas some debate about the role of laropiprant in the excess adverse events observed in HPS2-THRIVE is warranted, the larger size of HPS2-THRIVE and the consistency of the overall findings with earlier trials of niacin alone suggest that niacin is the major problem.
What now should we make of niacin and the HDL cholesterol causation hypothesis? On the basis of the weight of available evidence showing net clinical harm, niacin must be considered to have an unacceptable toxicity profile for the majority of patients, and it should not be used routinely. As suggested in the recent ACC–AHA guidelines,6 niacin may still have a role in patients at very high risk for cardiovascular events who truly have contraindications for taking statins (and other less-toxic drugs, such as bile-acid sequestrants) and who have a high LDL cholesterol level. Likewise, it might be considered as a fourth-line agent (after intensive lifestyle modification and use of fibric-acid derivatives and pharmaceutical-grade fish-oil preparations) for patients with severe hypertriglyceridemia, in whom we are trying to prevent pancreatitis.
The consistent findings of a lack of benefit of raising the HDL cholesterol level with the use of niacin when added to effective LDL cholesterol–lowering therapy with statins seriously undermine the hypothesis that HDL cholesterol is a causal risk factor. The failure (to date) of cholesteryl ester transfer protein inhibitors, such as torcetrapib and dalcetrapib, to show any reduction in cardiovascular risk despite the marked increases in the HDL cholesterol level associated with these drugs7,8 lends further credence to the notion that HDL cholesterol is unlikely to be causal. Finally, compelling data from a large mendelian randomization study9 also argue that the HDL cholesterol level has a role solely as a risk marker and not a risk factor that merits intervention to reduce cardiovascular events. Although higher HDL cholesterol levels are associated with better outcomes, it is time to face the fact that increasing the HDL cholesterol level in isolation seems unlikely to offer the same benefit.
 
Don't use niacin for hdl. Use citrus bergamot. Eat avacados. Eat unroasted, unsalted nuts. 3g-4g epa and dha from fish oil. Coconut oil, wild fish, grass fed beef, pastured eggs. Do cardio.

I am experimenting with citrus bergamot now .i have been using the jarrow brand , 2 capsules a day .i used it for 30 days and had bloods done .i didn't notice much of a rise in Hdl to be honest but my fasting blood glucose was 73 .all my other tests over the past 2 years by fasting blood glucose was in the high 90's.i am continuing to use the citrus bergamot until my next blood test in early September to give it a fair chance
 
Originally posted by Doggcrapp 2/17


Niacin is done


Raising HDL (high density lipoprotein) AKA “good cholesterol” has been the holy grail of treating heart disease for years.The problem is that there is no proof that making the number higher translates to fewer heart attacks.There is ample proof that lowering LDL (low density lipoprotein) AKA “bad cholesterol” with statin medication does.Here is an editorial from today’s New England Journal of Medicine which summarizes the findings of an article which should put the nail in the coffin of routine niacin use.
Niacin and HDL Cholesterol — Time to Face Facts

Donald M. Lloyd-Jones, M.D.
N Engl J Med 2014; 371:271-273July 17, 2014DOI: 10.1056/NEJMe1406410
Share:


ArticleFor the past four decades, the concentration of cholesterol contained in high-density lipoprotein (HDL) particles has been a major focus of research and a target for potential prevention opportunities. Data from observational epidemiologic studies have consistently shown a strong inverse association between HDL cholesterol concentration and the risk of coronary heart disease that is linear and graded, at least through the majority of the HDL cholesterol distribution encountered in the general population.1 But clinical trials have yet to show a causal role for HDL cholesterol or to deliver the longed-for outcome of reducing the risk of coronary heart disease and the broader cardiovascular risk by raising HDL cholesterol levels specifically.
Niacin, or nicotinic acid (also known as vitamin B3), is an essential human nutrient that increases HDL cholesterol concentrations by means of a variety of mechanisms affecting apolipoprotein A1, cholesterol ester transfer protein, and ATP-binding cassette transporter A1, all of which appear to enhance reverse cholesterol transport. Other effects of niacin also lead to modest reductions in low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol concentrations and more substantial reductions in triglyceride levels, all of which might be expected to have salutary effects on the risk of coronary heart disease. The earliest trial to test immediate-release niacin, the Coronary Drug Project, suggested that this might be the case among middle-aged men with coronary heart disease and marked hypercholesterolemia.2
In this issue of the Journal, the Heart Protection Study 2–Treatment of HDL to Reduce the Incidence of vascular Events (HPS2-THRIVE) investigators present data from the latest and largest trial to examine a strategy of raising the HDL cholesterol level to reduce cardiovascular risk.3 This rigorously performed randomized, controlled trial enrolled 25,673 adults, 50 to 80 years of age, with clinically manifest cardiovascular disease and addressed the clinically relevant question of whether extended-release niacin combined with laropiprant, a new agent that helps prevent flushing, could reduce major vascular events, as compared with placebo. Background statin-based therapy was standardized before randomization, resulting in a mean LDL cholesterol level of 63 mg per deciliter (1.63 mmol per liter) before study-drug treatment. During the trial, participants receiving niacin–laropiprant on average had an HDL cholesterol level that was 6 mg per deciliter (0.16 mmol per liter) higher, an LDL cholesterol level that was 10 mg per deciliter (0.26 mmol per liter) lower, and a triglyceride level that was 33 mg per deciliter (0.37 mmol per liter) lower than levels in those receiving placebo. Despite these favorable responses, over a median follow-up of nearly 4 years there was no significant reduction in the primary end point of major vascular events associated with niacin–laropiprant, with a rate ratio of 0.96 (95% confidence interval, 0.90 to 1.03). The lack of efficacy was uniform, with no substantive differences in response to therapy noted across the major prespecified subgroups.
Given this lack of efficacy, the most important and worrisome findings of HPS2-THRIVE were the adverse events associated with niacin–laropiprant. In addition to the expected skin-related adverse effects, there were significant and excess adverse events related to gastrointestinal, musculoskeletal, infectious, and bleeding complications, as well as substantial excess adverse events related to loss of glycemic control among persons with diabetes and new-onset diabetes among persons without diabetes at baseline. Of great concern was a 9% increase in the risk of death (number needed to harm, 200) associated with niacin–laropiprant that was of borderline statistical significance (P=0.08).
Also in this issue of the Journal, further data are provided by Anderson et al.4 regarding adverse events in the Atherothrombosis Intervention in Metabolic Syndrome with Low HDL/High Triglycerides: Impact on Global Health Outcomes (AIM-HIGH) trial,5 which had examined the addition of extended-release niacin versus placebo to statin therapy in 3414 patients with stable atherosclerotic disease and a low HDL cholesterol level. The AIM-HIGH investigators had found no benefit in terms of a reduction in cardiovascular risk with niacin, but they also had observed excess adverse events including skin-related, gastrointestinal, glycemic, and other complications typically associated with niacin use.5 The new data from the study by Anderson et al. suggest a significantly higher rate of infections and infestations among patients receiving niacin than among those receiving placebo, as well as a nonsignificantly higher rate of serious bleeding, in the AIM-HIGH trial, which was much smaller than HPS2-THRIVE.
It should be noted that the exhaustive systematic review of the literature performed by the recent American College of Cardiology–American Heart Association (ACC–AHA) cholesterol guideline panel identified many of these same niacin-related adverse events (in addition to excess atrial fibrillation). This assessment led to very limited and cautious recommendations regarding the use of niacin and extensive discussion of safety concerns in those guidelines.6 Whereas some debate about the role of laropiprant in the excess adverse events observed in HPS2-THRIVE is warranted, the larger size of HPS2-THRIVE and the consistency of the overall findings with earlier trials of niacin alone suggest that niacin is the major problem.
What now should we make of niacin and the HDL cholesterol causation hypothesis? On the basis of the weight of available evidence showing net clinical harm, niacin must be considered to have an unacceptable toxicity profile for the majority of patients, and it should not be used routinely. As suggested in the recent ACC–AHA guidelines,6 niacin may still have a role in patients at very high risk for cardiovascular events who truly have contraindications for taking statins (and other less-toxic drugs, such as bile-acid sequestrants) and who have a high LDL cholesterol level. Likewise, it might be considered as a fourth-line agent (after intensive lifestyle modification and use of fibric-acid derivatives and pharmaceutical-grade fish-oil preparations) for patients with severe hypertriglyceridemia, in whom we are trying to prevent pancreatitis.
The consistent findings of a lack of benefit of raising the HDL cholesterol level with the use of niacin when added to effective LDL cholesterol–lowering therapy with statins seriously undermine the hypothesis that HDL cholesterol is a causal risk factor. The failure (to date) of cholesteryl ester transfer protein inhibitors, such as torcetrapib and dalcetrapib, to show any reduction in cardiovascular risk despite the marked increases in the HDL cholesterol level associated with these drugs7,8 lends further credence to the notion that HDL cholesterol is unlikely to be causal. Finally, compelling data from a large mendelian randomization study9 also argue that the HDL cholesterol level has a role solely as a risk marker and not a risk factor that merits intervention to reduce cardiovascular events. Although higher HDL cholesterol levels are associated with better outcomes, it is time to face the fact that increasing the HDL cholesterol level in isolation seems unlikely to offer the same benefit.

Not taking credit from DC. This has been known for quite awhile now. Rex Feral mentioned this a few years ago.
 
^^^True. I could not remember who..I just knew where to find Dante's mention of it. I miss that dude Rex Feral. He must be busy as hell.
 

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