MY Doc and Gear

[j8282]

Whats your guys input on below:

Since my wife and I have had some disagreements she wanted to take it to my doc to get his opinion. So I finally agreed, big mistake. My doc did not agree with me when I said if my wife can induce estrogen in her system with birth control why cant I use low dose 250 mgs test. He was like its not as safe and could be extremely harmful, bodybuilders have died from it, i replied doubtful on 200mgs. I said estrogen causes a laundry list of problem in my wife but my blood and test results are perfect I say BS. He replied when you have decades of medical experience then we can talk medical then I just blew up pissed. I was like you prescribe medicines that you have no idea how my body is going to react to it whats the difference. He didnt want to discuss since I didnt have medical experience.

 

[vadim_b1]

well you verbally owned him and he had nothing substantial to say.

really when it comes to gear, 99% of doctors are just as clueless as your average joe off the street
the saddest thing is the above applies to 99% of endocrinologists too, and they should be experts in that field

 

[pesty4077]

Whats your guys input on below:

Since my wife and I have had some disagreements she wanted to take it to my doc to get his opinion. So I finally agreed, big mistake. My doc did not agree with me when I said if my wife can induce estrogen in her system with birth control why cant I use low dose 250 mgs test. He was like its not as safe and could be extremely harmful, bodybuilders have died from it, i replied doubtful on 200mgs. I said estrogen causes a laundry list of problem in my wife but my blood and test results are perfect I say BS. He replied when you have decades of medical experience then we can talk medical then I just blew up pissed. I was like you prescribe medicines that you have no idea how my body is going to react to it whats the difference. He didnt want to discuss since I didnt have medical experience.

Most doctors are General Practioners, it doesn't make them a specialist in one area. Instead of getting mad, you should reply "you are a specialist in HRT therapy?" Of course he's not, are he wouldn't have gave you an idiot reply. There are alot of patients on HRT, and they are very healthy. Hell, my Doctor, from Kaiser gave me a presciption, because he knows I needed it. Do yourself a favor, go to a Doctor that specializes in HRT Therapy. He would have gave you the right answer.

 

[richie34]

same old story im afraid had the same response from my chiropractor yesterday, they always say the same thing! in the uk i dont even think they are as up to date as in states and it sounds like you guys have uneducated doctors too i always thought this was a british problem, when will this shit ever change? oh well. very frustrating and pushes things underground, no wonder people have problems!

 

[willylee]

Thats why they call it "Practicing Medicine", because most Drs only have a limited range in "Practicing Medicine". I would have never approached him with the question. Now you have to find a new physician. Its the job of most Drs to keep us uniformed about our health. If were informed and healthy they lose money. They like us to listen and not question. Good response with the estrogen statement.

 

[SABAGOY]

Its the job of most Drs to keep us uniformed about our health. If were informed and healthy they lose money.

I dont know if i would go that far...But i do work in the medical field and from my experience most doctors would rather make up a complete lie or just blow off a question before admitting he/she is uniformed on a subject.

 

[zephyr22]

I concur....

Yes, many in the medical field are uninformed. If they specialize in HRT that may be a different case. Most GP know basics of the entire body but nothing specialized unless they have further education in a few areas. Yeah, im in medicine and I have tons of colleagues who never want patients to ask questions because if they dont know the anwswer they have a hell of a time. The thing is most BB are using way more test etc... than what is considered HRT. Also the use of "ancillary" products is unheard of by the medical commmunity. Not much true testing of anabolics, and the ancillaries has been done so it is by our own trial and error that we may get the results we want. So that is why most GP are naive to all this. There is no BB 101 in med school. Also most practioners think im nuts for even wanting to be big. I get the "what is the point?" comment all the time. I tell them because I like it, and it makes me feel good.

 

[joeyrods]

Yes, many in the medical field are uninformed. If they specialize in HRT that may be a different case. Most GP know basics of the entire body but nothing specialized unless they have further education in a few areas. Yeah, im in medicine and I have tons of colleagues who never want patients to ask questions because if they dont know the anwswer they have a hell of a time. The thing is most BB are using way more test etc... than what is considered HRT. Also the use of "ancillary" products is unheard of by the medical commmunity. Not much true testing of anabolics, and the ancillaries has been done so it is by our own trial and error that we may get the results we want. So that is why most GP are naive to all this. There is no BB 101 in med school. Also most practioners think im nuts for even wanting to be big. I get the "what is the point?" comment all the time. I tell them because I like it, and it makes me feel good.

i hate when people ask you whats the point of being big? they always assume you want the attention when 90% of the time you do it because it makes YOU feel better

 

[Massive G]

Whats your guys input on below:

Since my wife and I have had some disagreements she wanted to take it to my doc to get his opinion. So I finally agreed, big mistake. My doc did not agree with me when I said if my wife can induce estrogen in her system with birth control why cant I use low dose 250 mgs test. He was like its not as safe and could be extremely harmful, bodybuilders have died from it, i replied doubtful on 200mgs. I said estrogen causes a laundry list of problem in my wife but my blood and test results are perfect I say BS. He replied when you have decades of medical experience then we can talk medical then I just blew up pissed. I was like you prescribe medicines that you have no idea how my body is going to react to it whats the difference. He didnt want to discuss since I didnt have medical experience.

No offense but if you don't have a medical need for anabolics or GH a doctor isn't going to discuss it with you-what they have learned about hormones came out of med school-part of their education and experience comes from pharmaceutical sales reps as well on how the actual drugs work -when they are to lazy to look it up in the PDR. 250 mgs a week will put you well above the 1200ng/dl maximum range for testosterone.

For example a doctor may understand how injections work but prefer the gel or the implant-just because it's easier to manage and less risks in normal hypogonadal males-in which the cyp and enanthate can raise heamtocrit substantially with long term use cause gyno hairloss and BPH-remember these side effects are exasperated with aging males who are more sensitive to androgens in replacement therapy. And you can walk in with a half life chart and even blood level argument and still not win.

I could go on and on as I think it's rediculous that AAS are controlled substances-you should be able to get them prescribed for athletic and or cosmetic uses. But unfortunately that will never happen as it was so prevalent in the early 1960's-1990's until anablition came about.

Also 99% of the doctors I have met are many times more intellegent than we meatheads-so don't discount their intellegence just because they don't agree with the administration of anabolics.

 

[sghok]

well you verbally owned him and he had nothing substantial to say.

really when it comes to gear, 99% of doctors are just as clueless as your average joe off the street
the saddest thing is the above applies to 99% of endocrinologists too, and they should be experts in that field

yep thats very ture

 

[Armageddon]

Also 99% of the doctors I have met are many times more intellegent than we meatheads-so don't discount their intellegence just because they don't agree with the administration of anabolics.

I'm going to say that your not the average meathead either.

 

[Ashop]

Whats your guys input on below:

Since my wife and I have had some disagreements she wanted to take it to my doc to get his opinion. So I finally agreed, big mistake. My doc did not agree with me when I said if my wife can induce estrogen in her system with birth control why cant I use low dose 250 mgs test. He was like its not as safe and could be extremely harmful, bodybuilders have died from it, i replied doubtful on 200mgs. I said estrogen causes a laundry list of problem in my wife but my blood and test results are perfect I say BS. He replied when you have decades of medical experience then we can talk medical then I just blew up pissed. I was like you prescribe medicines that you have no idea how my body is going to react to it whats the difference. He didnt want to discuss since I didnt have medical experience.

Get a new doctor if you dont like him/her. Remember, they work for YOU!

 

[BOOMSHAKER]

My doctor has a MD,Phd. when i told him I wanted my blood levels and wanted a LFT done, he asked me why? I said I was on a cycle. He looked at me crossed eyed and told me all the bad things associated with roids. I then stopped and asked him "is that what the medical journals and tell you"? And he said yes, and the studies. I asked him "what studies" cuase the last ime I checked no one ever died as a "direct result of roid usage". Instead there are thousands of cases in the medical journals that had already been done with almost every single case of prescribed medication that you ALREADY gave to most of your patients! And he just looked at me and asked me "how do you use the roids and what's your take on them? He was at least a cool dude and wanted to inform himself. He still doesn't like them, but is tolerating of me and them. Most doctors just repeat what they hear. They themselves are not well versed in steroidology. They mean well. But that's about it.

ask your doctor wich has the more deadlier side effects CLOPIDOGREL (plavix) or testoterone Cyp. ? see what he says. lol

 

[oldfella]

The majority of doctors out there only ever work with prescribed doseson a pharmacological level. They are not well versed or have much if any experience with the doses most of us would use. Even 250mg/wk is well outside of the range of HRT for men. My doctor askes me questions when I go to see him. He does wnat to educate himself and is interested in the best possible way to treat and look after my health if problems arise. It is all a matter of finding a real doctor that is interested in your health and well being, not just a script writer! I actually put my doctor on HRT for himself. He complained about a few things and I told him to check his test levels, I told him I was willing to bet a large sum of money his test levels were in the basement. I then proceeded to tell him to get sustanon 250 for 6 weeks and then switch to cypionate for the rest of his life. 200mg/e2 weeks. The next time I paid him a visit he was all smiles and thanking me profusely. That is when I asked him why he did not know this himself. His answer "we do not deal with anything other than the treatment of ailments with these drugs, we only work with prescribing doses and have very little knowledge of doses outside the norm".

 

[Sherman01]

Its easy man. Tell your Doc to "show me the case studies".

There will be none.

After that, he can STFU.

 

[bulk]

trying to persuade a doc that even a dosage of 200 mg a week is ok is still a losing battle, docs are usually all about health and keeping it naturally obtained as possible, they prisribe drugs wen nescarry, natural test levels dont exeed like 80 a week on average , so 200 mg a week long term speaking would induce the realted sides eventually, i belive most try things like hcg first thoe for that, the only time you could talk to a doc and actaully have him maybe listen is if your another doc, maybe a phamicist, bioligist or chemist

 

[dieselbuilder]

Whats your guys input on below:

Since my wife and I have had some disagreements she wanted to take it to my doc to get his opinion. So I finally agreed, big mistake. My doc did not agree with me when I said if my wife can induce estrogen in her system with birth control why cant I use low dose 250 mgs test. He was like its not as safe and could be extremely harmful, bodybuilders have died from it, i replied doubtful on 200mgs. I said estrogen causes a laundry list of problem in my wife but my blood and test results are perfect I say BS. He replied when you have decades of medical experience then we can talk medical then I just blew up pissed. I was like you prescribe medicines that you have no idea how my body is going to react to it whats the difference. He didnt want to discuss since I didnt have medical experience.

My father is a top doc in a fertility related field and even perscribes nolva and hcg and that stuff, but he really knows nothing about steroids. He knows the specifics of some of the potential side effects of steroids, but nothing much else.

 

[evolutionX]

You owned him and he got pissed. Go to another Doc and give him a print out of Estrogen contraceptives sides list. lol

 

[willylee]

I dont know if i would go that far...But i do work in the medical field and from my experience most doctors would rather make up a complete lie or just blow off a question before admitting he/she is uniformed on a subject.

I think most docs have the patients best interest at heart. But after med school, they are for the most part directed by the drug mfgs(I have good insight here). 90% of physicians are trained to treat ailments and diseases, aside from surgical specialties. How many times has anyone had a physician draw up a total wellness plan to include a full diet and exercise? Most of the time they treat the symptom and underlying cause, but after that most patients are on their own to figure out overall wellness. Some physicians are dedicated to wellness but not many. In the UK physicians are actually paid more if their patients are kept healthy.

 

[vadim_b1]

Also 99% of the doctors I have met are many times more intellegent than we meatheads-so don't discount their intellegence just because they don't agree with the administration of anabolics.

smarter than meatheads for sure
what is the definition of a meathead?

however most of us posting on this board are well above that level
So far ive met one doctor who i was able to have an intelligent discussion with regarding use of male hormones for both life enhancement and performance enhancement in sports
out of many who thought that their status made it unnecessary to do any research in the field