My Experiment With Sustanon

[repmks]

I luv it. I feel the best on it idk why. Im close to 100 percent test e gives me more bloat.

I like sust best. twice/wk for a very long time.

 

[hongthaomurphy]

ive always liked the way sus makes me feel but the unstable levels usually make me choose something else

 

[MightyJohn]

thought t400 would be stronger?

It is, thats why I asked LOL

 

[GtMuscle]

So guys, On my next cycle I want stick with test at 750mg, do you suggest me to stick with propionate ester or what?

Ty...

 

[MightyJohn]

So guys, On my next cycle I want stick with test at 750mg, do you suggest me to stick with propionate ester or what?

Ty...

Depends how often You wanna shoot, if You wanna be a pincushin, yes...if not get some sust or T400 and hit that 1x a week

 

[big_boi419]

would this hold true for any blended ester product such as andropen?

 

[MightyJohn]

would this hold true for any blended ester product such as andropen?

I'd do 5-7days it's a little shorter acting

 

[BoostedSil80]

Holy shit! I have been running my sust EOD. It has been 2 months since last injection. Well, I NEVER get sick, and damn if I didn't come down with the flu over the new year (Fucking sucked, lost ALL my gains and strength in a week!). I think the reason being what the OP said. Next time I will be pinning once per week. Awesome read.

 

[LURID FURY]

Abstract: Sustanon And It’s Use
By OuchThatHurts

Sustanon. Every BBer in the world knows the name. Every “noob” has to try it. But is it a good choice for BBers? Not really. Unless you know what you’re doing and even then you would likely have better and more stable results with less expensive and easier to maintain compounds. Let’s take a look at Sustanon.

Sustanon was originally designed and formulated by Organon as a timed-release compound used for androgen replacement for hypogonadic males, HRT, and all the other uses where androgens are indicated. The difference being that Sustanon (sustained release) was designed to be administered once per month. By combining multiple esters in such a way, starting with shorter chain molecules (propionate) and progressing to longer ones (decanoate), you can design a formula that takes effect almost immediately and releases it’s payload (testosterone) over a length of time.

So let’s look at the esters in Sustanon. Would anyone consider stacking two forms of esterified test in a single cycle? For example, would you combine propionate and enanthate? If so, how would you do it? Would you take 30mg or propionate every other day or twice a week along with 100mg of enanthate at the same time? Of course not! Well not only are you doing that with sust, but with FOUR esters, not just two. Testosterone is testosterone whether your body cleaves it from a short molecule or a long molecule. Many people still think that these different esters of the same organic compound are somehow different or “synergistic”. That’s almost like saying the caffeine in coffee is different than the caffeine in Pepsi. And if you stack coffee and Pepsi you’ll have a more pronounced effect or synergistic effect. There IS a difference but in only one regard and that is that you will get MORE raw test mg/mg with shorter esters than longer ones. The reason for this is simple. The larger the molecule, the more carbons are added which increases the total weight of the molecule. In short, more of the molecule’s weight is taken up by carbon and not testosterone. The additional carbon and occasionally oxygen atoms also increase the compound’s solubility and half-life but that is beyond this article. So what esters are we dealing with in Sustanon?

propionate 30mg (2 days)
phenylpropionate 30mg (4 days)
isocaproate 60mg (9 days)
decanoate 100mg (15 days)

In parenthesis, you see their approximate half lives. It is no coincidence that each ester is roughly twice the quantity of the one before it nor is it coincidental that each half life is approx. double the length of the one before it. Still beyond this article. Moving on…

I decided to experiment with Sustanon after receiving a fairly large quantity. Even though I had plenty, I was still thinking greedily and wanted to get the most out of my testosterone dollar. I started with the twice-a-week approach. A month later, I had no gains, a bad flu, and had used almost 20 amps (1ml) at 250mg/ml. I wanted to know what had gone wrong. It didn’t take long to figure out. During the first week, all that had taken effect was the prop and phenylprop. And 120mg total (out of 500mg) is all that my system saw. That’s about enough to suppress the axis but that’s it. Throw two amps in the trash. The second week, probably not much different and had used 4 amps (1000mg). By the third week I had the flu. Not exactly a surprise with all the HPTA suppression and unstable test levels. Most people have heard of the “sust flu”? Well, there you go. I was beginning to plan a PCT regimen when it dawned on me… I’m not getting enough STABLE, high levels of testosterone! So not long after that I moved everything to the all to common every-other-day (EOD) approach. Don’t get me wrong, I started noticing results but then again, who wouldn’t? This is a shotgun approach! If you had propionate and enanthate would you just keep dosing until something worked? No. You wouldn’t. The idea there is to just keep shooting the stuff and “one of them esters” will eventually work. Personally, I don’t like this approach. I think we can do much better. After all, don’t we owe it to Organon to abuse their product properly? SO… how well did it work? I’d have 3 good days, followed by 3 bad days. I was emotional. I wanted to sleep all the time. I had a runny nose. Two different blood tests during this time proved that I had almost twice the free test in my system as the blood test a week later. By this point, my great buy was turning into a great waste. I took 2 months off, did a fairly aggressive PCT and started planning my next cycle.

Here is where it seemed to all come together. I decided to try taking Sustanon as Organon intended, but in BBer amounts. This meant using it less frequently but using larger doses. Using it as a SUSTained-release product. Again, being greedy like I am, I didn’t want to waste the propionate in the Sust so I scheduled the entire cycle dosage amounts based on what I would take if I was doing a propionate-only cycle. This meant 4 amps or 1000mgs. That gave me a starting dose of 120mg propionate (30mg x 4) and instead of taking the next dose of propionate, I knew I could just relax knowing that as the propionate fell off, the phenylpropionate would begin and as the phenylpropionate fell off, the isocaproate would begin, etc, etc. This worked phenomenal and I began the cycle figuring on every two weeks (one decanoate half life). In reality, I played with this until I found a sweet spot of 8 days (approx. half of a half life). This gave me testosterone levels that remained stable throughout the cycle and at levels that were good for the results I wanted. You may need to adjust this time period to suit your physiology.

Conclusion: If I were to ever use Sustanon in a cycle again, which I doubt since there are less expensive, more stable compounds available, I would use it as intended in BBer amounts. I would do 1000-1500mg once every 8 days. This would allow for it to take immediate effect and with a few additional amps of propionate, you could use it with predictable stability right up until a few days before starting PCT. This dosing regimen, in my opinion, combined with equipoise or nandrolone would be a very productive cycle. Given the choice, I would still stick with enanthate. The injections are usually painless, the stability is high, the half life is fairly long. If you don’t mind EOD injects then prop or phenylprop would also be better choices than Sustanon in my opinion. Especially phenylprop. You would likely have to compound this yourself though as I haven’t seen this ester alone very often except in the case of nandrolone phenylprop (fast-acting deca).

Refs: any Sustanon package insert

Hey Ouch! I don't know if you're still reading this thread... but last year months before a major surgery... I did what YOU suggested with Andropen though... 4cc's every 8 days. Results? Remember your FIRST EVER cycle? remember those gains and wish they would always be that way? Well that's how it was with me.........I owe it all to you! Thank you
I think it's pricey to use andropen and I agree there are cheaper ways to prolly get the same result... I wish I knew those ways... but 4cc's every 8 days OMG I loved it.

Thank you thank you... I will never forget this.

Tommy

 

[luckyone]

Thanks OUCH, definitely one of the most informative threads on the site. KUDOS!

your brother in Christ,

Lucky

 

[LURID FURY]

I guess I should note ... I'm going to do this again but this time add Parabolin 3cc's per week

Adropen 275 4 cc's Monday

Para 1cc m w f

Thoughts?

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Hey Ouch! I don't know if you're still reading this thread... but last year months before a major surgery... I did what YOU suggested with Andropen though... 4cc's every 8 days. Results? Remember your FIRST EVER cycle? remember those gains and wish they would always be that way? Well that's how it was with me.........I owe it all to you! Thank you
I think it's pricey to use andropen and I agree there are cheaper ways to prolly get the same result... I wish I knew those ways... but 4cc's every 8 days OMG I loved it.

Thank you thank you... I will never forget this.

Tommy

I have not yet had a chance to summarize all the posts in this thread into one thread regarding blends but I will. In the meantime, I'm glad that so many are learning and experiencing good results as a result of the content of this thread - both agrees and disagrees. Congrats on your positive results!

 

[LURID FURY]

ok... started my next cycle:

1250 Sust every monday (OTH method)

NNP 3x's a week

Abombs and Dbol thrown in

Couple weeks start slin and peptide therapy ANNNNNND possibly Myostatin HMP

At end of Sust cycle (I'll decide the end when gains slow) start Parabolin (high dose) Therapy w/Halo and only 100mg of test.. possibly 200

OH
MY
GOD

 

[realdeal240]

Wow that was a very interesting break down of sus diff entry will wait till I put this in my stack if ever

 

[FIRE0808]

I have not yet had a chance to summarize all the posts in this thread into one thread regarding blends but I will. In the meantime, I'm glad that so many are learning and experiencing good results as a result of the content of this thread - both agrees and disagrees. Congrats on your positive results!

Looking forward to the summary, OTH!

 

[LURID FURY]

I should include that all my workouts, health records (weight, blood pressure, heart rate monitor, etc), calories, protein ...everything is recorded and sync'd using VidaOne on my droid phone, Droid Xyboard, and laptop ... heart rate info is sync'd to VidaOne using Garmin FR60. I'll be getting a Withings Scale in which using Wifi everytime I step on it ..it will sync to my pc, phone and Xyboard... yeah..we are going high tech this cycle.

 

[aduren]

Though one never should do this, I treated sust like a long ester and just took 500 mg a week.

I like the fact that the short esters felt right away, but once I switched to long esters I never came back to sust.

 

[googan]

Has anyone ran a cycle utilizing this method latley?

 

[massaholic]

Great information. I was thinking of trying this as one sponsor has a sale going, but I will take your advice.

 

[Pinkton]

Love sust, used to do mostly cyp/prop but running sust seems to work bst for my body. I run it this way

1cc Monday, wed, Friday seems to work best. 350mg each shot

Of course coupled with some a bombs, gh, slin, deca and now you have the ultimate growing stack