My Experiment With Sustanon

[Marvel3203]

Old post but great info to help with some sus I got pretty cheap, not sure if I want to go up to 1 gram but thinking of 500 mg weekly or split that up into 2 doses weekly

 

[Tommy1271]

One of my favorite compounds, I run it three times a week with EQ and Dbol. Great results and a general feeling of well being the entire time.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Just remember some of what is in the original post is what worked for me at that time. The real meat of this thread is in the subsequent posts.

I know I said many moons ago that I was going to condense this thread. I really need to get on that.

But in the meantime, read some of the posts in the thread. That's where the real value is here. When I wrote this, sustanon was the #1 selling testosterone. It isn't anymore. Not because of this little abstract I did from my notes but because people are using higher levels more often now.

Most sponsors will tell you that their "t400" is one of their best-selling products and many don't even have test blends on their lists anymore.

 

[LS3 Power]

;action-sm

Will somebody please instantly perma-ban this post whoring fuck?

 

[Giants83]

Seriously. 50 posts in under 30 minutes. Way to contribute pal.

 

[Darkpassenger]

Good read

I agree whole heartedly. I was under the impression sust was a better product. But today I have come across a lot of places saying that it isn't.

 

[titocnb13]

Sorry you didn't get good results with the sust. I personally loved it. I've used test p, test e and sust as a base on three different cycles. I found that sust was the best for me

 

[dutchdoc]

IM 50 YEARS OLD...

1cc of real sustanon 250 per week brings mine up to 1200 by day 7. Never under 800.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

1cc of real sustanon 250 per week brings mine up to 1200 by day 7. Never under 800.

I totally believe that. That's what it's for - especially after you 3rd or 4th injection.

 

[lift4life]

ive always looked the best on sustanon and prefer it over any other test ester

 

[lift4life]

test is test but the ester changes the way my body looks on it..sust is king for me

 

[gorillagunz]

I've messed around a lot with sus...the first time i ran 1 amp eod with some dbol for the first 4 weeks. Great gains but, I got pneumonia on cycle...

At the time, with sus, there were a lot of counterfeits floating around. It could have been dirty gear, or it could have got contaminated while loading. All the precautions in the world, amps are harder to draw from and inject without accidentally touching something etc imo. your mileage may vary.

I use a very reputable UGL now, cruising at 1 cc a week with 1 cc a week of deca (250mg/ml) as my base is what works best for me (bad knee and shoulder) The gains are very slow, but steady. I've put an inch on my arm in the last 4 months since starting this after knee surgery.

I've gained just as well using this amount with proper sleep and diet, than i did when i was running around 2 grams of hormones a week and not getting enough foo/sleep.

My 2 cents, sus 1 dose a week is what works best.

Ps, prop is my fav, but its a bitch to shoot ed eod as a cruise. I'll only switch over to prop when i'm running tren a and masteron.

 

[southoftheborder]

Abstract: Sustanon And It’s Use
By OuchThatHurts

Sustanon. Every BBer in the world knows the name. Every “noob” has to try it. But is it a good choice for BBers? Not really. Unless you know what you’re doing and even then you would likely have better and more stable results with less expensive and easier to maintain compounds. Let’s take a look at Sustanon.

Sustanon was originally designed and formulated by Organon as a timed-release compound used for androgen replacement for hypogonadic males, HRT, and all the other uses where androgens are indicated. The difference being that Sustanon (sustained release) was designed to be administered once per month. By combining multiple esters in such a way, starting with shorter chain molecules (propionate) and progressing to longer ones (decanoate), you can design a formula that takes effect almost immediately and releases it’s payload (testosterone) over a length of time.

So let’s look at the esters in Sustanon. Would anyone consider stacking two forms of esterified test in a single cycle? For example, would you combine propionate and enanthate? If so, how would you do it? Would you take 30mg or propionate every other day or twice a week along with 100mg of enanthate at the same time? Of course not! Well not only are you doing that with sust, but with FOUR esters, not just two. Testosterone is testosterone whether your body cleaves it from a short molecule or a long molecule. Many people still think that these different esters of the same organic compound are somehow different or “synergistic”. That’s almost like saying the caffeine in coffee is different than the caffeine in Pepsi. And if you stack coffee and Pepsi you’ll have a more pronounced effect or synergistic effect. There IS a difference but in only one regard and that is that you will get MORE raw test mg/mg with shorter esters than longer ones. The reason for this is simple. The larger the molecule, the more carbons are added which increases the total weight of the molecule. In short, more of the molecule’s weight is taken up by carbon and not testosterone. The additional carbon and occasionally oxygen atoms also increase the compound’s solubility and half-life but that is beyond this article. So what esters are we dealing with in Sustanon?

propionate 30mg (2 days)
phenylpropionate 30mg (4 days)
isocaproate 60mg (9 days)
decanoate 100mg (15 days)

In parenthesis, you see their approximate half lives. It is no coincidence that each ester is roughly twice the quantity of the one before it nor is it coincidental that each half life is approx. double the length of the one before it. Still beyond this article. Moving on…

I decided to experiment with Sustanon after receiving a fairly large quantity. Even though I had plenty, I was still thinking greedily and wanted to get the most out of my testosterone dollar. I started with the twice-a-week approach. A month later, I had no gains, a bad flu, and had used almost 20 amps (1ml) at 250mg/ml. I wanted to know what had gone wrong. It didn’t take long to figure out. During the first week, all that had taken effect was the prop and phenylprop. And 120mg total (out of 500mg) is all that my system saw. That’s about enough to suppress the axis but that’s it. Throw two amps in the trash. The second week, probably not much different and had used 4 amps (1000mg). By the third week I had the flu. Not exactly a surprise with all the HPTA suppression and unstable test levels. Most people have heard of the “sust flu”? Well, there you go. I was beginning to plan a PCT regimen when it dawned on me… I’m not getting enough STABLE, high levels of testosterone! So not long after that I moved everything to the all to common every-other-day (EOD) approach. Don’t get me wrong, I started noticing results but then again, who wouldn’t? This is a shotgun approach! If you had propionate and enanthate would you just keep dosing until something worked? No. You wouldn’t. The idea there is to just keep shooting the stuff and “one of them esters” will eventually work. Personally, I don’t like this approach. I think we can do much better. After all, don’t we owe it to Organon to abuse their product properly? SO… how well did it work? I’d have 3 good days, followed by 3 bad days. I was emotional. I wanted to sleep all the time. I had a runny nose. Two different blood tests during this time proved that I had almost twice the free test in my system as the blood test a week later. By this point, my great buy was turning into a great waste. I took 2 months off, did a fairly aggressive PCT and started planning my next cycle.

Here is where it seemed to all come together. I decided to try taking Sustanon as Organon intended, but in BBer amounts. This meant using it less frequently but using larger doses. Using it as a SUSTained-release product. Again, being greedy like I am, I didn’t want to waste the propionate in the Sust so I scheduled the entire cycle dosage amounts based on what I would take if I was doing a propionate-only cycle. This meant 4 amps or 1000mgs. That gave me a starting dose of 120mg propionate (30mg x 4) and instead of taking the next dose of propionate, I knew I could just relax knowing that as the propionate fell off, the phenylpropionate would begin and as the phenylpropionate fell off, the isocaproate would begin, etc, etc. This worked phenomenal and I began the cycle figuring on every two weeks (one decanoate half life). In reality, I played with this until I found a sweet spot of 8 days (approx. half of a half life). This gave me testosterone levels that remained stable throughout the cycle and at levels that were good for the results I wanted. You may need to adjust this time period to suit your physiology.

Conclusion: If I were to ever use Sustanon in a cycle again, which I doubt since there are less expensive, more stable compounds available, I would use it as intended in BBer amounts. I would do 1000-1500mg once every 8 days. This would allow for it to take immediate effect and with a few additional amps of propionate, you could use it with predictable stability right up until a few days before starting PCT. This dosing regimen, in my opinion, combined with equipoise or nandrolone would be a very productive cycle. Given the choice, I would still stick with enanthate. The injections are usually painless, the stability is high, the half life is fairly long. If you don’t mind EOD injects then prop or phenylprop would also be better choices than Sustanon in my opinion. Especially phenylprop. You would likely have to compound this yourself though as I haven’t seen this ester alone very often except in the case of nandrolone phenylprop (fast-acting deca).

Refs: any Sustanon package insert

this is a good article with useful information. Thank you for posting.

I have had great success with taking sostenon twice a week. I might try your method next time.

 

[DboldeezNUTSS]

I've messed around a lot with sus...the first time i ran 1 amp eod with some dbol for the first 4 weeks. Great gains but, I got pneumonia on cycle...





At the time, with sus, there were a lot of counterfeits floating around. It could have been dirty gear, or it could have got contaminated while loading. All the precautions in the world, amps are harder to draw from and inject without accidentally touching something etc imo. your mileage may vary.





I use a very reputable UGL now, cruising at 1 cc a week with 1 cc a week of deca (250mg/ml) as my base is what works best for me (bad knee and shoulder) The gains are very slow, but steady. I've put an inch on my arm in the last 4 months since starting this after knee surgery.





I've gained just as well using this amount with proper sleep and diet, than i did when i was running around 2 grams of hormones a week and not getting enough foo/sleep.





My 2 cents, sus 1 dose a week is what works best.





Ps, prop is my fav, but its a bitch to shoot ed eod as a cruise. I'll only switch over to prop when i'm running tren a and masteron.

What lab was your sustanon amps? My first cycle was 250mg of sustanon amps by organon labs....amps had yellow Pakistan writing and were really strong...ran 250mg weeks 1-4 ..500mg weeks 6-8 then weeks 10-12 I dropped the mg back down to 250mg ..I blew up quick...everyone from family to co workers knew I was on cycle...definitely recommend sust for a begginer cycle!

 

[OuchThatHurts]

What lab was your sustanon amps? My first cycle was 250mg of sustanon amps by organon labs....amps had yellow Pakistan writing and were really strong...ran 250mg weeks 1-4 ..500mg weeks 6-8 then weeks 10-12 I dropped the mg back down to 250mg ..I blew up quick...everyone from family to co workers knew I was on cycle...definitely recommend sust for a begginer cycle!

It was your first cycle. Everyone responds magically to their first cycle if the stuff is legit.

 

[gh0st]

Hooold on....

So you are saying you can inject Sustanon at 1500mg ONCE every 8 days, and itl remain 1600-1800 blood levels for the entire 12 weeks????

in my exp sust is best injected e3d. or even eod. but i heard of guys taking it 2x weekly. i like e3d personally to keep bloods levels stable

 

[Tweeter2oo7]

I think this has got to be the best article I've see on sust!

I'm not a fan of sust

 

[mean-greens]

Let me ask this to OP or anyone else that knows. I noticed that between shots that levels would do sometimes close to 200 pts between shots, and there being done M,W,F. Now Sat and Sunday is 2 days before next shot, so almost 72 hours.

My question is keeping blood plasma levels stable is the key to keep sides to a mininum, am I correct in that statement? Or am I way off?

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Let me ask this to OP or anyone else that knows. I noticed that between shots that levels would do sometimes close to 200 pts between shots, and there being done M,W,F. Now Sat and Sunday is 2 days before next shot, so almost 72 hours.

My question is keeping blood plasma levels stable is the key to keep sides to a mininum, am I correct in that statement? Or am I way off?

This is a good question but there is a little bit of error in the broscience. Ideally, for the BBer or PLer, levels should be at peak almost all the time. There is no evidence that says that steady plasma levels is even necessary at all. In fact, if you would test your natural blood levels 3 times everyday, you could be 700ng/dL in the morning 400 in the afternoon and 200 at night. So if you can get by and make gains totally natural with blood levels that are that variable, I'm not 100% convinced that the "keep blood levels steady" is all that valid.

However, that being said, if you use a compound like test C or E, or even a blend like Sustanon/Omnadren, etc You will eventually over the course of 3-4 weeks anyway. Whether you're shooting once per week, E3D, or EOD.

So the question is not what dosing schedule with sustanon you use (weelky, twice a weed or whatever) but whether steady levels increase gains better than variable levels. All I can say is that naturally, a man's body's level of test varies daily, weekly, monthly. The take away here is that people put way too much thought into what they need to keep steady levels to make maximum gains which, let's face it, are what most people are trying to do (this isn't TRT here).

Now here's a little something that you may be interested in. Most of the compounds found are of Chinese origin. Which, in and of itself, is not a bad thing. But of course, some are fake. And if anyone denies it they are a fool. Our sponsors are very reliable but even the most scrupulous lab is going to let slip by some inferior Chinese merchandise now and then, don't think any different. So there is something to think about in a blend that combines many different where types (esters) of testosterone, where even if one is a dud, you still have good test in the remaining compounds.

So, perhaps in some contradiction to the original post I made in this thread, I can say that I rather enjoy using Sustanon from time-to-time if for no other reason that it does keep me on enough roller coaster ride that I can definitely feel it. Steady-state for too long, you lost that feeling of being "juiced" for lack of a better word. So what Sust actually does is keep your levels high and then spike them occasionally which is a rush. But as noted earlier in this thread, you have to use a good bit of it to achieve that effect.

 

[Carrettaustin]

Never had sust flew or any bad side effects but I had the biggest abscess/infection ever I thought it was the prop but must have been bad gear from UG FREAK went from my deltoid to my fore arm


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