My first trip to the Emergency Room

[tmuscle]

I also wanted to point out that your blood urea nitrogen is quite elevated.

6-20mg/ml is normal range for adult males, yours being 47 alarms me the most

 

[Rainmanisback]

I also wanted to point out that your blood urea nitrogen is quite elevated.

6-20mg/ml is normal range for adult males, yours being 47 alarms me the most

Thanks Tmuscle and thanks to all of you that have take the time to reply to your brother in iron

Interesting thing is that, the Dr did not mentioned/pointed anything about that... he told me about the elvetad liver values and the hemoglobine but nothing about the BUN

Not sure what can be done about this issue.... any recommendations?

 

[Rainmanisback]

I also wanted to point out that your blood urea nitrogen is quite elevated.

6-20mg/ml is normal range for adult males, yours being 47 alarms me the most

Should I just drop everything or go to HRT?

 

[tmuscle]

I actually wouldn't really worry much about the liver values too much, the BUN is alarming though. Liver regenerates, kidneys do not...


Also, it's common for AST and ALT to be elevated on gear especially if you are on orals especially.


Even accutane (a commonly prescribed drug for young adults for acne) can cause AST and ALT to rise to the hundreds for some. Which is why they monitor it through bloodwork and get you off if it gets that high...


Anyways, honestly I have never seen anyone with high BUN but somewhat decent creatinine levels (your creatinine level is barely out of range, and athletes who do heavy weight training commonly have elevated creatinine levels and around 1.3 is common for big weight lifters)

 

[PHIL HERNON]

BUN

No sir like I was saying my last shot of Lr3 was last Saturday... I did a 6 week cycle EOD after WO... during those 6 weeks I only had 2 episodes similar to the one this morning (in which I was using Gh not L3R) the very first injection and the very last one (last saturday)\

Now it makes sense what you are saying could be that it was the GH... however last Saturday I did my GH in the a.m. as every day and the Lr3 after WO that very same day around 3 p.m. and the I had the hypo event

Today 6 days after my last shots of Lr3... I did had 2 IUs of GH

You BUN means nothing.....you just eat protein so no worries there........creatinine is fine but phosphorous bothers me........

 

[Rainmanisback]

You BUN means nothing.....you just eat protein so no worries there........creatinine is fine but phosphorous bothers me........

Thanks a lot Phil... so it seems that is more than one thing I have to worry about... and that issue with the phosphorous could be related to?

Al so, in regards of the GH affecting Blood sugar levels... is this as dangerus as issues related to insuline usage? or not? can anyone get that kind of effect from GH at 2 -4 daily IUs?

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Thoughts

And hoping it will be the last one... so some of you might have read my last post titled "Went hypo on Lr3 IGF1?"

That was last Saturday, when I had my last 2 shots of Lr3... well this morning I was following my daily rutine, got out of bed, put my son on the School Bus, came back upstairs, had my Gh shot plus Glut. and BCAA then a Protein shake... 25 min later had my first meal... I was talking to my wife and replying to some emails from work, when everything started... I felt super dizzy, felt drained and about to passout... so once again I had some simple carbs and some extra complex carbs, starting to feel better... and then 10 min later bang! it freaking hit me again... but 10x worst... tried some more simple carbs, but it didn't go away, so I told my wife: "you better take me to the ER now, cause if I passout you won't be able to move my ass"... so we got there, I was sweating cold, having cramps all over my body, and feeling like if I was going to die... as soon as I took my shirt off, the Dr's very first question was: "what are you taking?", so before telling him everything, I asked him for discretion, because I knew, that my insurance will not cover anything if they find out about my ASS and Peptide use/abuse...

He then called another Dr (both very nice guys)... I gave him the full story and the list of everything I have taken for the last 12 months (yea I have been blasting for too long I know)... I told them about my symptoms, hypo, cramps, sweating, etc (they also found that my BP was very high) and about my usage of lr3 igf1 and gh. They obviously didn't know much about Lr3... so they did all kind of blood tests and an electrocardiogram... my heart is in good shape, the glicemic test came alterated since I was not in a fasting stage... and the rest came out like this (the ones that came out alterated but not critical):

ALT(TGP) 91 u/l
AST(TOA) 60 u/l
Creatinine 1.4 mg/dl
lactic dehydrogenase 625 iu/l
phosphorus 4.8 mg/dl
BUN 47 mg/dl
Sodium 134 mmol/l
chlorine 91 mmol/l
RDW 15.4%
eosinophils 5.1%
eosinophils # 0.4
Hemoglobina 18 g/dl

Obviously the Drs recommendation was to drop EVERYTHING inmediately and do more tests in 2 weeks...

Now, I found posts of other users that apperently suffered from similar issues:

"You might want to start doing some research on hypoglycemia brought on after taking IGF. My son is curently having problems with this right now. Symptoms include dizziness, panic attacks, depression, tremors (I have been having all of these symp.), feeling close to losing both control and consciousness. One trip to the ER and another to a doctor’s office have resulted in no concrete answers. He has a friend who reported the same symptoms. The friend made 4 trips to the ER because he felt like he was going to either pass out or die. The friend, too, had these symptoms come on after getting off IGF. Two words…..be careful."

"This is not a substance to take lightly. This is a very powerful stubstance and affects your insulin levels. You need to keep an eye on your blood sugar levels while on and coming off of IGF1. If not, you could easily go hypo and pass out or feel like you are going to pass out. If the user has not studied this drug and understand how it works i would not recommend using it."


As always, I will appreciate the your input/thoughts on this very much! Since I really would like to continue with my BB adventure... without diying!

Thanks in advance

My first thought is DKA........since you took GH but NO insulin, correct?

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Well

Thanks a lot Phil... so it seems that is more than one thing I have to worry about... and that issue with the phosphorous could be related to?

Al so, in regards of the GH affecting Blood sugar levels... is this as dangerus as issues related to insuline usage? or not? can anyone get that kind of effect from GH at 2 -4 daily IUs?

The high phosphorous alarms me because its a sigh of POSSIBLE DKA.......then you take GH with no slin.......but I am not very good beyond a guess...........that's no use to you.

 

[Rainmanisback]

I actually wouldn't really worry much about the liver values too much, the BUN is alarming though. Liver regenerates, kidneys do not...


Also, it's common for AST and ALT to be elevated on gear especially if you are on orals especially.


Even accutane (a commonly prescribed drug for young adults for acne) can cause AST and ALT to rise to the hundreds for some. Which is why they monitor it through bloodwork and get you off if it gets that high...


Anyways, honestly I have never seen anyone with high BUN but somewhat decent creatinine levels (your creatinine level is barely out of range, and athletes who do heavy weight training commonly have elevated creatinine levels and around 1.3 is common for big weight lifters)

Thanks Tmuscle... not sure exactly from where this is coming from... but it is obviously related to the continous blasting... so probably time to just rest

I ahve not done orals in about 8 weeks and I never do more than 4 weeks at the time of orals... if I do any

 

[Rainmanisback]

The high phosphorous alarms me because its a sigh of POSSIBLE DKA.......then you take GH with no slin.......but I am not very good beyond a guess...........that's no use to you.

I understand... I have never use slin... there has been Diabetics in my family.. maybe I could be going that route... I will have glicemic blood test done ASAP

 

[Rainmanisback]

My first thought is DKA........since you took GH but NO insulin, correct?

Correct I have never touched it

 

[Rainmanisback]

The high phosphorous alarms me because its a sigh of POSSIBLE DKA.......then you take GH with no slin.......but I am not very good beyond a guess...........that's no use to you.

I did have A LOT of simple sugars before getting to the ER, could that have been the reason for such alteration?

 

[mormussle]

GH can definitely cause issues with sugar. That's why I'm a PM guy. no AM for me.

 

[Cerberus777]

Sounds like dehydration. Your blood markers would be higher. And with dehydration too many carbs will make you fell worse since you don't have the fluids to hold them. GH will make this worse. I'd lay off the diuretic at least. If not lower everything and push the fluids for a few weeks and get retested.

 

[PumpinIron]

That's weird. Your symptoms of being up all night pissing and feeling dehydrated sounds like what happened to my friend when he developed type II diabetes.

He would drink something and then within 30 seconds have to piss it right out. He would drink and drink and drink and then just piss forever. He could never lose the feeling of dehydration...

Anyhow, I'm sure you don't have diabetes but this sounds like a scare nonetheless.

 

[jm425]

Thanks JM you are right... I made this post so otehr learn from my mistakes

We live and we learn. I've made mistakes regarding this as well in the past and I paid the price for it health wise. Glad to see you're doing better. My advice to you is to drop your doses down to hrt levels for awhile. I guarantee that you will be healthier and your blood work will look a lot better as well.

 

[Turkishexpress]

Since you didn't take lr3 before this event, I wouldn't think that it would have anything to do with it but it's one of the reasons I stopped using lr3 myself. It would make me feel hypo even with a crap ton of carbs I would load post injection. I started messing with how I timed my carbs just to see if it would help and it did a bit but I'd still get cold sweats and would get aggravated.

 

[PumpinIron]

Weird how some people experience hypo from the LR3 while others don't experience it at all... At least from what I've read.