My HGH tested strong positive on pregnancy test...

[janoshik]

O'rly? For the presence of HCG it is very reliable.

False. Pregnancy test kit is a binary test yes/no to presence of HCG. I understand you have a lab that tests GH/anabolics/etc but you cannot legitimately say testing our GH to determine HCG content is not reliable. It's extremely reliable.

Cheap pregnancy tests, or lateral flow immunoassays, as they are called in my field, are prone to false positives, especially in matrices they are not meant to be used in.


I don't think I have any right to tell anybody how to test their stuff, just pointing out the facts.




Logical reasons why switching HGH for HCG doesn't make sense:

1. HCG is not that much cheaper than HGH. To be honest I believe that HCG is actually more expensive mg/mg than HGH, so what sense does it make to switch to more expensive product?
2. Switching a single vial in a kit suggests the manufacture is not automatized - there has to be someone switching the vials (and assumedly paid for it) further decreasing any gain from this behavior - would this be worth to anyone?
3. Why use HCG and not just filler? What you see in the vial - the lyophilised white powder is not HGH but more like 90% filler and 10% HGH. Simply not putting any HGH in there wouldn't be noticed by anybody.
4. Why use HCG if HCG has sides that are easily noticeable?
5. Why use HCG if HCG can be easily tested for by home tests or VERY reliable blood tests?
6. Why risk reputation being ruined for... well, not saving money?


If anybody can answer these then I'll reconsider my stance on this.

If anybody purchases a HGH that tests as HCG and sends it to me and it indeed proves to be HCG, I'll reimburse the customer fully for the cost of the testing and will reconsider my stance. I'm here to collect data, not argue, so when evidence is in front of me, I'll gladly accept it.

 

[sub7percent]

pregnancy tests are not always the most reliable...



laboratory analysis is what would provide a good answer





switching one vial in kit with hcg makes absolutely no sense

Would it even be cost effective to use hcg in place of hgh? I would think it makes no sense for a sponsor to scam like that - would be better off using a vial with nothing in it.



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[janoshik]

Would it even be cost effective to use hcg in place of hgh? I would think it makes no sense for a sponsor to scam like that - would be better off using a vial with nothing in it.



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Exactly!

See the post right above yours, I had probably sent it right when you were typing.

 

[ThinkTank]

Cheap pregnancy tests, or lateral flow immunoassays, as they are called in my field, are prone to false positives, especially in matrices they are not meant to be used in.

I seriously question your credibility and your motives when you take such a ridiculous stance. Been done forever by shady sponsors. How do you think the idea to test using a pregnancy kit came from...Did it come out of thin air?

Cheap pregnancy tests, or lateral flow immunoassays, as they are called in my field, are prone to false positives, especially in matrices they are not meant to be used in.


I don't think I have any right to tell anybody how to test their stuff, just pointing out the facts.

Logical reasons why switching HGH for HCG doesn't make sense:..<blah>,<blah>,<blah>...

Your pointing out BS. This is the same argument applied to inert testosterone formulations, or fake dbol, ect... The answer is always the same - Greed! One thing for sure is that an incredibly minute few have the morale fiber to run operations legitimately.

 

[janoshik]

I seriously question your credibility and your motives when you take such a ridiculous stance. Been done forever by shady sponsors. How do you think the idea to test using a pregnancy kit came from...Did it come out of thin air?



Your pointing out BS. This is the same argument applied to inert testosterone formulations, or fake dbol, ect... The answer is always the same - Greed! One thing for sure is that an incredibly minute few have the morale fiber to run operations legitimately.

Please, elaborate what exactly is ridiculous about the statement "Cheap pregnancy tests, or lateral flow immunoassays, as they are called in my field, are prone to false positives, especially in matrices they are not meant to be used in."


If you are an expert in the field of immunoassays, I'll gladly stand corrected - however considering how much time and work I've dedicated into researching and developing them let me, please, express my doubt that you are the one who should be questioning me and my knowledge in that regard.

Regarding the greed that's exactly why I have written down those points - you might consider taking some time to go over them instead of rudely replacing them with "blah blah." There is literally no economical incentive that I can see for HGH being replaced with HCG.

You haven't given me any arguments worth refuting, really.

 

[janoshik]

...

Before you post further misinformation, I ask you to educate yourself so you can use arguments that can be either supported by logic or quotable facts. Otherwise there is no point on further engaging in this discussion.


I suggest taking a look over this publication - LATERAL FLOW IMMUNOASSAY by Mr. Wong.

Also a simple quote from PubMed article:
"Since the LFIA is an antibody-based technique, specificity and sensitivity may be affected by other chemicals with similar structures, leading to false positive results. "


Pregnancy tests are indeed LFIAs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4986465/



Questioning either my credibility or motives is rude. Especially when I can support my statements and you can't.

 

[Matsuo Munefusa]

every vial of HCG I've ever ran I've tested on a pregnancy strip tester. It tested positive.

One year I was running growth hormone and my nipples got kinda itchy and I noticed I was carrying a lot of water weight. I tested it on a pregnancy test kit and it came up positive. HCG.

There's no fail on these tests when you spray 200iu HCG onto the tester.

You're creating a strawman by pointing out that the testers can fail. In reality they do not fail. This has been proven hundreds and hundreds of times by people testing their HCG and HGH.

Why does nandrolone come up in test vials? Why does halotestin get sent instead of winstrol? Why does X compound get sent instead of Y compound (where X is more expensive than Y)?

Quality control, sloppiness, lack of Y when X is on hand (even if there is less profit shipping X)....see, your problem is you're thinking of it from an analytical mind with the "best case scenario" running a business. In reality and out of practicality these chinese shippers are sending out whatever they have at the time to fill the orders so that people do not start complaining they didn't get their order in 3 weeks.

 

[dale338]

every vial of HCG I've ever ran I've tested on a pregnancy strip tester. It tested positive.

One year I was running growth hormone and my nipples got kinda itchy and I noticed I was carrying a lot of water weight. I tested it on a pregnancy test kit and it came up positive. HCG.

There's no fail on these tests when you spray 200iu HCG onto the tester.

You're creating a strawman by pointing out that the testers can fail. In reality they do not fail. This has been proven hundreds and hundreds of times by people testing their HCG and HGH.

Why does nandrolone come up in test vials? Why does halotestin get sent instead of winstrol? Why does X compound get sent instead of Y compound (where X is more expensive than Y)?

Quality control, sloppiness, lack of Y when X is on hand (even if there is less profit shipping X)....see, your problem is you're thinking of it from an analytical mind with the "best case scenario" running a business. In reality and out of practicality these chinese shippers are sending out whatever they have at the time to fill the orders so that people do not start complaining they didn't get their order in 3 weeks.

I have tested three additional HGH vials and all three came up negative on a pregnancy test. So I have eliminated HCG. I want to be fair here. As for purchases in general from UGL, I can say this with my experiences.

My testosterone is legit. Is it dosed exact? Who knows, but I can monitor my levels closely.

Viagra I ordered are supposed to be 25mg capsules. I can tell you I open every one, tap out the content, lick my finger and consume my viagra that way. It's no doubt cut with sugar, which is expected and is fine. HOWEVER, some capsules contain more overall mixture than others. That is just sloppy...I get a few that literally have half as much. Furthermore, I am a VERY experienced viagra user and know my symptoms to a fine tune. I have taken plenty of actual pfizer sealed viagra and I know 25-100mg dosing and how it affects me exactly. These particular 25mg caps? I need to take 5-6 to get the same affect as I do from 50mg of actual viagra. Not saying the supplier ripped me off and I make it work, but it's under dosed for sure. My Arimidex is the exact same way. Some pills packed more than others and I know it's under dosed, but I make it work. Viagra has that bitter taste and for years I chew my tablets, so I know the taste and the taste is weak.

Am I complaining? Not really. I get legit stuff and adjust as I need to get what I need. I would have issues if my T is way under or over dosed though. I mean how can you stay steady with your T-levels if you i ejecting an unknown amount?

I would urge our sponsors here to measure properly and take the extra time. I for one, will GLADLY pay a premium for highly accurately dosed product. I like to know how much of what I am taking so I can adjust accordingly.

That said, I am most grateful for the resources we have. It's changed my life for the better.

 

[janoshik]

every vial of HCG I've ever ran I've tested on a pregnancy strip tester. It tested positive.

One year I was running growth hormone and my nipples got kinda itchy and I noticed I was carrying a lot of water weight. I tested it on a pregnancy test kit and it came up positive. HCG.

There's no fail on these tests when you spray 200iu HCG onto the tester.

You're creating a strawman by pointing out that the testers can fail. In reality they do not fail. This has been proven hundreds and hundreds of times by people testing their HCG and HGH.

Why does nandrolone come up in test vials? Why does halotestin get sent instead of winstrol? Why does X compound get sent instead of Y compound (where X is more expensive than Y)?

Quality control, sloppiness, lack of Y when X is on hand (even if there is less profit shipping X)....see, your problem is you're thinking of it from an analytical mind with the "best case scenario" running a business. In reality and out of practicality these chinese shippers are sending out whatever they have at the time to fill the orders so that people do not start complaining they didn't get their order in 3 weeks.

Please, Sir, read up on what false positive is.

What you are talking about is suggesting that you believe that I'm talking about false negative, which I do not - I indeed mostly agree with this post of yours. [well maybe depending on definition of tester failing we might disagree on one point]


I myself had indeed tested stuff that came out as adex switched for halo, 250 test cyp for 30 test prop etc, just in the last few weeks, so I do have experience with that as well.

However, please, let me keep my analytical mind - it's what makes my living - to counterargument you on the last sentence.

1. Switched products are much easier to do with AAS, as there is greater variety and all sources are providing multiple kinds at once - not the case with HGH vendors, where it's often them carrying only a single product. If they carry more lyophilised products they are usually labeled through a different top.

2. If chinese shippers are sending out whatever they have at the time to fill the orders why would only a single vial out of kit be switched?

3. How many factories manufacture both HCG and HGH so they can just "grab" a different random kit?

4. How many HCG product vials look the same as HGH vials, so they can be comfortably switched by the shipper?

5. How much HCG is produced by UGL factories, so it can be put into the same vials as HGH?


That's just my thinking.



I don't mean to argue, for the point of arguing, it's just that I cannot make out any logic out of it, nor there is a single blood tests suggesting elevated HCG in blood after using such a product.

Nor I have ever tested a sample of HGH that turned out to be HCG - and my repertoire of tested brands is among the biggest there is, I believe.

I hope that it's enough to explain my skepticism.

If I am to be corrected - I'll be only glad, for that means I have learned something.

 

[Matsuo Munefusa]

I take it you've run growth hormone and HCG then and know the effects. The two are quite dissimilar, so when you shoot a large dose of GH expecting GH effects and then your nipples start itching and you gain 5lb water weight and you test your "growth hormone" with a pregnancy test kit and it tests positive.....

you have HCG.

How, why, when, what possible reason for....who knows. but that happens on our market....enough that we started warning our friends to watch out for it.

Janoshik, don't lose your analytical mind, I'm a fan of it sir

 

[janoshik]

I have tested three additional HGH vials and all three came up negative on a pregnancy test. So I have eliminated HCG. I want to be fair here. As for purchases in general from UGL, I can say this with my experiences.

My testosterone is legit. Is it dosed exact? Who knows, but I can monitor my levels closely.

Viagra I ordered are supposed to be 25mg capsules. I can tell you I open every one, tap out the content, lick my finger and consume my viagra that way. It's no doubt cut with sugar, which is expected and is fine. HOWEVER, some capsules contain more overall mixture than others. That is just sloppy...I get a few that literally have half as much. Furthermore, I am a VERY experienced viagra user and know my symptoms to a fine tune. I have taken plenty of actual pfizer sealed viagra and I know 25-100mg dosing and how it affects me exactly. These particular 25mg caps? I need to take 5-6 to get the same affect as I do from 50mg of actual viagra. Not saying the supplier ripped me off and I make it work, but it's under dosed for sure. My Arimidex is the exact same way. Some pills packed more than others and I know it's under dosed, but I make it work. Viagra has that bitter taste and for years I chew my tablets, so I know the taste and the taste is weak.

Am I complaining? Not really. I get legit stuff and adjust as I need to get what I need. I would have issues if my T is way under or over dosed though. I mean how can you stay steady with your T-levels if you i ejecting an unknown amount?

I would urge our sponsors here to measure properly and take the extra time. I for one, will GLADLY pay a premium for highly accurately dosed product. I like to know how much of what I am taking so I can adjust accordingly.

That said, I am most grateful for the resources we have. It's changed my life for the better.

Sugar might be used as a legitimate filler - capsules are filled by volume, so if for example 25mg of viagra uses 1 cubic cm and the capsule has 2 cubic cm volume, you just 'fill' the rest with filler, to ease up manufacturing process. Might not necessary be cut.

However, capsules containing different various levels of content is plain bad manufacturing.

Same with pills containing different amounts of active substance - but here I gotta say that fine tuning mixing process and pill press can be very very hard.


However, with liquid products, where there are batches of uniform concentration made and then dosed, the dosage is the same in each vial.

HCG, HGH and other lyophilised products are also liquid products in a sense - they are dosed into the vials in liquid form and dried afterwards.


I hope I'm not messing up by being off topic, just hope I helped explain a little bit.

 

[janoshik]

I take it you've run growth hormone and HCG then and know the effects. The two are quite dissimilar, so when you shoot a large dose of GH expecting GH effects and then your nipples start itching and you gain 5lb water weight and you test your "growth hormone" with a pregnancy test kit and it tests positive.....

you have HCG.

How, why, when, what possible reason for....who knows. but that happens on our market....enough that we started warning our friends to watch out for it.

Janoshik, don't lose your analytical mind, I'm a fan of it sir

Yes Sir, that would be my very exact thinking - if I inject a reconstituted lyophilised powder and my nipples start acting up, I'd immediately think of HCG and test it with pregnancy strip. No arguing about that

And thank you Sir, much appreciated.

 

[Fit2Serve]

You are so far off base about UG product it isn't even funny. Did you contribute anything to the testing at AnaSci? If not, you need to because everyone should and also so you can see the results...you'll eat your words about UG gear being a F'ing joke. You say homebrew is the way to go...news flash, same raw material that the UG sponsors are using.

i will go along with the flow.... dont wanna cause waves.
-F2S

 

[flipper2012]

GH is faked more than anything else in bodybuilding. More often than not it is faked, or HCG, or a peptide. Unless you have a reliable source that you know personally, then at some point you will get bunk shit. It has been like this the last 2 decades. Nothing changes. No reason in trying to justify a pregnancy strip or legitimacy. It's life on the black market.

 

[Synthetik]

Actually... chances are good his kits are a whole mix of random peptides. Just because the second and third bottle were confirmed to not be hcg, that doesn't mean they are GH. Second one could be ghrp, third could be sermorellin, the next one could be rat insulin. Etc. i doubt it's the sponsors fault... do you guys think a single sponsor on here PRODUCES their own HGH? Hell no. They're all buying generics from china and slapping their pretty labels on it and boxing them up. I doubt the sponsor swapped a bottle of hcg in, but I would not be remotely surprised if the Chinese business man they bought their drugs from did.

 

[ljp]

i doubt it's the sponsors fault... do you guys think a single sponsor on here PRODUCES their own HGH? Hell no. They're all buying generics from china and slapping their pretty labels on it and boxing them up. I doubt the sponsor swapped a bottle of hcg in, but I would not be remotely surprised if the Chinese business man they bought their drugs from did.

Interesting thought process.. so you're saying it's not Apple's (they outsource manufacturing to China) fault if your iPhone breaks down because it's manufactured by another company? Or if you get food poisoning from Fairlife milk the company is not really to blame because they buy the milk from farmers?

I would assume people would show some kind of spine and assume responsibility for their products if they have their name on it. If sponsors don't do any quality testing then they don't deserve to be in the business.

 

[dale338]

Just providing an update.

My product is Kefei blue tops from China with verification stickers. I don't understand as the sponsor provides their own verification web address that is NOT associated with the Kefei website out of China????. Tried muscling through using this crap, but it is not happening. Now I've started developing hideous and extremely painful red welts at injection site. I know it's an allergic reaction as each welt and red lump develops almost exactly 18 hours post injection.

I've posted here issues with extreme tiredness for the past few weeks. To the point, all I can do all day is sleep and sit and stare. It's been bad. I started keeping a log of everything these past few weeks and noticed this tired feeling hits 2-4 hours post HGH injection. So I'm dumping this stuff. I have to say I have gotten other related sides that might indicate this stuff is legit. Like light joint aches, water retention etc. I had originally thought all this was related to E-spikes, but I got that under control with Arimidex and labs to back it, but the lethargy, headaches etc continue. So it has to be the HGH.

I'm going to give MK-677 I swing, as I do want the anti-aging benefits associated with higher IGF-1 levels.

My guess is this stuff I got is 192 and not 191 and I'm having a bad reaction to it.

The tiredness is BRUTAL and I'm not living like that. In the trash this crap goes. Well known sponsor here too boys, but he was supposedly nailed selling bunk stuff on other sites a few years back. I think he relies on a supplier and the stuff he gets is likely sometimes legit and sometimes not. There is no way he could have been around since like 2010 selling all bunk stuff. And to be fair, maybe it is legit and just not for me. I do not want to make accusations, as this product just might not work well with my system. But if I was betting? I'd bet I was sold some generic, fake 192, crap that was poorly processed.

 

[OutToLunch]

Might have to get ahold of pharma hgh pens instead.

 

[janoshik]

Just providing an update.

My product is Kefei blue tops from China with verification stickers. I don't understand as the sponsor provides their own verification web address that is NOT associated with the Kefei website out of China????. Tried muscling through using this crap, but it is not happening. Now I've started developing hideous and extremely painful red welts at injection site. I know it's an allergic reaction as each welt and red lump develops almost exactly 18 hours post injection.

I've posted here issues with extreme tiredness for the past few weeks. To the point, all I can do all day is sleep and sit and stare. It's been bad. I started keeping a log of everything these past few weeks and noticed this tired feeling hits 2-4 hours post HGH injection. So I'm dumping this stuff. I have to say I have gotten other related sides that might indicate this stuff is legit. Like light joint aches, water retention etc. I had originally thought all this was related to E-spikes, but I got that under control with Arimidex and labs to back it, but the lethargy, headaches etc continue. So it has to be the HGH.

I'm going to give MK-677 I swing, as I do want the anti-aging benefits associated with higher IGF-1 levels.

My guess is this stuff I got is 192 and not 191 and I'm having a bad reaction to it.

The tiredness is BRUTAL and I'm not living like that. In the trash this crap goes. Well known sponsor here too boys, but he was supposedly nailed selling bunk stuff on other sites a few years back. I think he relies on a supplier and the stuff he gets is likely sometimes legit and sometimes not. There is no way he could have been around since like 2010 selling all bunk stuff. And to be fair, maybe it is legit and just not for me. I do not want to make accusations, as this product just might not work well with my system. But if I was betting? I'd bet I was sold some generic, fake 192, crap that was poorly processed.

Please, keep it and consider sending it off to testing to me. Maybe you can convince the sponsor to pay for the test... Or I'll work something out.

It would be interesting to see what could've been causing this.

 

[dale338]

Please, keep it and consider sending it off to testing to me. Maybe you can convince the sponsor to pay for the test... Or I'll work something out.

It would be interesting to see what could've been causing this.

I read your posts a week or so ago over on the HGH testing thread and would happily send you a sample to test. And I'd gladly pay for it as well. I'd like to know what I am injecting into myself. LOL. I'll send you a PM.

I'm guessing this is a 192 strain from everything I've read and I'm not reacting well to it.