my keto diet...good to go? phil and other please :)

[Amazon Doll]

Its no secret...When people want to diet why don't they just look at what our ancestors ate before agriculture came about, give it a try and see what results they get.

Fruits, leaves, grasses, roots, berries, nuts,fish and mostly grazing animals.

Maybe I will just try a fruit and meat diet for a few months.

When people ask me how I look like I do a my age and have so much energy, I point them at my diet:

1/2 my calories in..... lean meats

the rest of the calories in .... fruits, geen veggies and raw nuts.

 

[kid1dakota]

Its no secret...When people want to diet why don't they just look at what our ancestors ate before agriculture came about, give it a try and see what results they get.

Fruits, leaves, grasses, roots, berries, nuts,fish and mostly grazing animals.

Maybe I will just try a fruit and meat diet for a few months.

True

all of which i don't do and FEW people (if any) on this board do. apples and oranges.
i can't divulge all my diet info but i eat little amounts of starches. they are part of my diet but not a large part at all.
sounds like you are passionate about your job and thats awesome bro! all good info to guys on the board who are trying to find out what works.
-JS

Thanks.
Some actually do not pay real attention to diet as they are looking for that elusive combination of pharmaceuticals that unlocks the door to freaky size and peeled conditioning.

 

[300kgdeadlift]

Now that the OP has made up his mind to go for ketogenic diet, i am just making him aware of a few things. Hope this helps him.

cheers for the dr

keto sounds good as link below had good results?
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/members-photos/64828-before-after-cut.html

 

[300kgdeadlift]

Well, his diet is pretty much balanced in all types of foods : meats, vegitables, and even fruits. The diet is going to vary for each person as he gets feedback from you as you go along. One of the big things he has you do is eat only when hungry, instead of force feeding yourself every 3 hours. Phil's rates are crazy low for the year. If youre really serious about getting in great shape PM Phil and see about getting his help because his rate is really affordable.

atm i have no money for phill but will be next year for sure,

 

[300kgdeadlift]

also some pretty intresting veiws and discusions cheers

 

[dr intensity]

cheers for the dr

keto sounds good as link below had good results?
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/members-photos/64828-before-after-cut.html

Thanks bro,
in my opinion all diets works, its up to the person to find out his or her "personal winning formula"
that can be carb rotational diet, eat when your hungry diet, or keto diet,etc etc etc.
the reason that all of these diets are popular is because they have worked very well for people in the past and will keep working for people in the future too.... or else the diet that does not work at all...shall not be discussed or even exsist in the first place.

good luck bro.

 

[dr intensity]

There are two different approaches used by bodybuilders (as I have seen)
1. The conventional bulking up for 16 to 20 weeks and then cutting up for 14 to 16 weeks(both amateurs and elites have confirmed of this approach)

Bulking up(primary aim to gain muscle + secondary goal to maintain or control bodyfat.):- here the bodybuilder goes for a “calorie surplus diet” which is high in protein moderate to low fats and moderate to high complex carbohydrates.

-Here the primary aim of the bodybuilder is to grow as much muscle mass as possible without worrying too much about gaining body fat. But then the bodybuilder does gain a considerable amount of body fat(as the bodybuilder loses his sight on his secondary goal body fat control).
He uses bulking up drugs with “constant dosages” such as testosterone, tren or deca or boldenone etc added with some orals like anadrol or d-ball etc.

-He is into “progressive lifting” outperforming his previous weeks performance.

By the time he finishes his bulk cycle he has 30 pounds of fat to lose in 14 weeks.

Cutting up:- (primary aim here is to lose body fat and maintain his muscle mass).

-So the bodybuilder goes on a calorie deficit diet which high in protein in(to feed the muscle mass)moderate carb, low fat-- carb rotational diet, or zero carb ketogenic diet along with cardio and fat burner combination

-The norm that goes here is to keep loosing 2 lbs bodyfat until he gets shredded glutes, so in order to do so he progressively increases his cardio and his fat burner dosages. (however overdoing this may lead to muscle loss…but then again maintaining muscle mass is secondary aim now).
so in this case calorie restricted nature of the diet cardio and fat burners are the primary metabolic boosters.... and mentaining muscle mass being the secondary metabolic booster

-Here it is not possible for the bodybuilder to execute “progressive lifting” as he is on a relatively catabolic state as compared to his “bulking time”(even though he is using AAS). So at the most he tries to maintain their lifting poundage at their best to the best of ability. (overdoing cardio+fatburners + severe calorie restriction may lead to dropping in lifting poundages)

-As he nears the contest he changes his drugs to may be
Test propionate, tren acetate, winstrol, masteron (“hardening compounds”). And then last week of carbohydrate depletion and carbohydrate loading and playing with sodium and using diuretics etc etc .

-With this approach there is a risk of coming in depleted and flat (if he overdid cardio + fat burner combo or too severely restricting diet = muscle loss)

Then when he thinks he is ready he competes in his show.

2. The other approach usually used by the elites is “growing into the show”.( i am still learning this approach) For example a bodybuilder who competed at 250 lbs at 4 percent body fat ultra ripped and shredded.

As soon as the bodybuilder is done with the show he goes on HRT doses or cruise at 200-300mg test/week maybe some GH etc until they are around 20 to 24 weeks out of competition.(still training and eating decently)

Now it is obvious that the bodybuilder will not be able to maintain his 250 lbs at 4 percent contest stage status,as he decreases his dosages to a healthy HRT dose… and may go down to 218lbs while still maintaining relatively good low body fat percentage,

So when the time comes (24 weeks before competition)
-he starts increasing his Anabolic steroid doses slowly this leads to increase in muscle mass (muscle memory + increased steroids).

-this increase in muscle mass demands for more protein and other macronutrient intake so the bodybuilder increases his protein + other macro intake as his improves upon the muscle mass. His food intake is so clean (thermogenically as well as hormonally) that it is impossible for the bodybuilder to gain fat even on increased caloric intake.

-now gaining muscle is the primary metabolic booster in this case,( whereas in the previous case it was progressive cardio+fat burner combo + calorie restricted nature of the diet) as muscle mass increases so does his overall metabolism which starts eliminating fat stores.
and secondary metabolic boosters being fat burners and cardio in this case.

- He continues to progressively increase dosage, increase food intake and at the same time progressive lifting until he thinks he is ready for his show.
And at the end stages he shifts to hardening compounds.(test prop, tren A, winstrol masteron etc)


So those who go for the growing into the show “have eliminated the risk of coming in “depleted” or “flat”. Here the bodybuilder will look shredded hard and full.
As compared to the conventional bulking and cutting approach.

Now even different bodybuilders(yet successful bodybuilders) who apply different approaches will find each others principles somewhat contradictory. Therefore in my opinion one must re-search as much as possible before going for any one approach.

 

[300kgdeadlift]

ok to use taurine on keto?

 

[dr intensity]

ok to use taurine on keto?

i dont think dave palumbo preaches supplementing extra taurine, however some believe clen depletes taurine, so they use 3 to 4 grams extra taurine daily.

 

[300kgdeadlift]

ah ok cheers for that, ill give it a miss then.



think im gonna aim for a refeed day CHRISTMAS DAY as cant miss out on that dinner haha so that is the day i will refeed....

can i eat everything and anything that day? or should i just stick too the roast?

gonna save some dnp to use on the day/night before.....

cheers.

 

[maldorf]

ah ok cheers for that, ill give it a miss then.



think im gonna aim for a refeed day CHRISTMAS DAY as cant miss out on that dinner haha so that is the day i will refeed....

can i eat everything and anything that day? or should i just stick too the roast?

gonna save some dnp to use on the day/night before.....

cheers.

Hell you could eat like shit the entire day and be ok! Its Christmas day for sake! Enjoy yourself some and have a day to remember. After living like this for many years youre going to look back at holidays and regret not living like a normal person.

 

[Amazon Doll]

no kidding thats almost EXACTLY how i eat...
-JS

Oh cool, you like the Paleo Diet "aka Caveman diet" too!

 

[kid1dakota]

Hell you could eat like shit the entire day and be ok! Its Christmas day for sake! Enjoy yourself some and have a day to remember. After living like this for many years youre going to look back at holidays and regret not living like a normal person.

I absolutely agree.If your using refeed days just plan accordingly and use that whole day and enjoy yourself and family(well thats debatable with my in-laws) . Actually even if not on keto and refeeding,still take a break for a day and enjoy.

 

[Johnny Smiles]

I absolutely agree.If your using refeed days just plan accordingly and use that whole day and enjoy yourself and family(well thats debatable with my in-laws) . Actually even if not on keto and refeeding,still take a break for a day and enjoy.

heard that
when you are done with this diet i recommend you hire phil and learn the other way to do it.
good luck take progress pics and report back!
-JS

 

[Elvia1023]

I am with J Smiles all the way. Sure keto can be effective for some but there are better ways and you won't get all the negatives keto usually brings. But yeah very small numbers love the approach. So do it if you want but then hire someone like phil later in the future and see what approach gives you the best results and what approach do you feel best on.

The above debate is interesting but step back from all this caveman crap etc... you are depriving yourself of one of the most important nutrients. Lots more to it but you have protein, fat and carbs (fiber etc). Those 3 categories are vital. Why would you take one away. Extreme diets never work long term... the key is balance.

I have the same opinion as Lee Haney when it comes to Keto diets

Just adding kid1 I really like reading your posts and you provide great info and are a valuable member. I agree with you about the sugars and processed foods. But the unhealthy people you see everyday are not like most on this board. If you eat crap and are inactive your not gonna be of good health over time. Everyone ha different opinons and hey many have no fat or believe one should not have more than 100g protein per day but for me the key is balance and what feels best.

 

[300kgdeadlift]

heard that
when you are done with this diet i recommend you hire phil and learn the other way to do it.
good luck take progress pics and report back!
-JS

yea i will take pics and update with before and after once done, and would of hired phill but have no money so thought i would do it myself (hopefully works out lol) then hire phill in new year

cheers guys

 

[kid1dakota]

I am with J Smiles all the way. Sure keto can be effective for some but there are better ways and you won't get all the negatives keto usually brings. But yeah very small numbers love the approach. So do it if you want but then hire someone like phil later in the future and see what approach gives you the best results and what approach do you feel best on.

The above debate is interesting but step back from all this caveman crap etc... you are depriving yourself of one of the most important nutrients. Lots more to it but you have protein, fat and carbs (fiber etc). Those 3 categories are vital. Why would you take one away. Extreme diets never work long term... the key is balance.

I have the same opinion as Lee Haney when it comes to Keto diets

Just adding kid1 I really like reading your posts and you provide great info and are a valuable member. I agree with you about the sugars and processed foods. But the unhealthy people you see everyday are not like most on this board. If you eat crap and are inactive your not gonna be of good health over time. Everyone ha different opinons and hey many have no fat or believe one should not have more than 100g protein per day but for me the key is balance and what feels best.

Thanks for the kind words.
I have to respond about the part about the unhealthy patients being different as JS also said "apples and oranges" well yes and no.
That would be the easy thing to group them separately and move on but there are similarities.

I keep mental notes and do some surveys and have learned some things.

Just to name a couple Athletes and unhealthy both:


Inflammatory indicators are higher in all patients that eat grains.

Cholesterol is higher also,part of the reason the body raises cholesterol is to soothe inflammation.

Those who follow a mediteranean type diet seem to heal faster and respond quicker to certain therapies.



I am very observant and eager to learn so I look for similarities and differences in both health athletic people and sedentary sick patients.

I am just telling you guys what I have learned by reading journals,school,doing nutritional counseling etc...

The stuff I mentioned about some history with conditions and agriculture is factual and not some opinion I have as some moron stated.

I try to come on here and share what I know in areas I am educated such as nutrition and pharmacology but it gets frustrating.

My best friend is an interventional radiologist who also trains.He came on here and said"fuck it" as people argued and told him he was wrong and called him a "newbie".This was by someone a lot of people on this board respect, he doesn't know a fraction about the human body and pharmacology as this Well educated Specialist does.

Sorry for the rant but the broscience parroting and "supposed" guru quoting and uneducated strong opinions vs. facts by some gets old.I don't pretend to know everything by any means, but, I will say if I DON't KNOW SOMETHING FOR AN ABSOLUTE FACT I will STFU and not chime in.

Lee Haney lectured in Atlanta georgia in Aug.1997 I WAS THERE! He said eat according to what you are doing for the next few hours.If training or very active eat protein and carbs.If not training eat mainly protein. He felt you could lose fat and gain muscle with this approach.He never mentioned pineapple juice for the record.

 

[hellraiser27]

Dude calm down. There are plenty of educated people on this board. Just because someone adds their opinion based on their own knowledge and education that is different than yours, doesn't mean there is an exact right or wrong.
I make a living by training people and giving diet advice. Mustang Fitness [ Fitness For Life ]
I think I know a thing or two. But one thing I have learned is that everyone is different. What works for one person may not work for another.

By the way, hows the diet going?

 

[300kgdeadlift]

on day 5 atm lost a little round waist but nothing to shout about also a little on arms guessing glyco, on dbol atm 30mg so i guess there will be some bloat as well for first few weeks till i drop it. gonna add some test in next week or week after at 600mg

its easier to cope now first few days have gone lol, must admit family been cooking soem dam nice meals i would love to of had lol...basterds cook it when i cant eat it hahahaa


i work night on weekend(doors) so i have whey shake+ olive oil as my meals only 1 or 2 as only 5 hours each night so no big deal. no cardio on weekend as im fucked from working doors lol.

cardio will be mon-fri

will keep updating this. will also post before and after pics



also, my keto diet for anyone that is intrested is teh dave paulmbo version, so high protien 1.5xlean mass and 0.5xleanmass for fats

im 220 pounds wanna get down to 190 pounds(should be lean then) so im having 310g pro and 90-95g fats

pro is a little higher by maybe 20-30g...but i am on gear so should get used up better


cheers.

 

[Big Dave Smith]

When I diet on carbs...
-I feel like I'm starving all day long.
-My water retention fluctuates more.
-My BP is higher, regardless of sodium.
-I require much more cardio.
-I must say again, I'm starving all day long.
-EVEN WHEN I FOLLOW THE DIET TO A "T", it's harder for me to make mirror and weight changes.
-I don't feel any stronger.

When I diet ket...
-My hunger is controlled.
-My water retention is better.
-My BP is VERY good.
-My blood work is better.
-I don't require as much cardio.
-I make immediate changes at first, then slow progressive changes over time that I can almost promise myself are going to happen.
-I'm still stronger than a brick shit house.


My girflriend also notices the lack of water retention keto... she can control her hunger more... feels better... has more energy and less lethargic... doesn't lose strength... etc.


I had a natural friend who competed early in the year. He followed a similar Palumbo protocol and he GAINED about 6-8lbs while dieting and got very, very lean for his first show.

I've seen it work. I've felt it work. It's not the only way to diet, but most of you who are bashing this diet are completely ignorant to the fact that IT ACTUALLY WORKS FOR HALF OF US. This is a republican vs. democrat thread. Everybody will piss in the wind arguing... and then when the day is over, everybody will go back to exactly what they were doing before.