My mito peptide experience... your mileage may vary

[Josefein421]

Instead of blowing up @bbxtreme's thread I thought I'd start my own lol. IYKYK

So I was late to the peptide game and kind of doubted them outside of the GLP's. I have slowly incorporated more in and have what I think the most I will run and thought I would give my experience as some of it has been great and some not so much.

What I take now
Reta 0.5mg Mon/Tues/Thurs/Fri
MOTS-C 2mg Mon-Fri
SS31 2mg Mon-Fri
Injectable SLUPP 332 500mcg Mon-Fri
Semax 500mcg Mon-Fri
Selank 500mcg Mon-Fri
TB/BPC 2000mg AM/PM

Reta doesnt need to be addressed I dont think. This is the dose that got me the best benefit without sleep disturbance. I can still eat just fine on this but am also never really too hungry and while I'd love a burger and some cookies I am fine without also.

This particular combination of MOTS/SS31/SLUPP is actually noticeable in energy, mental clarity and general awareness. I took Adderall in grad school and while I wont claim this is that by any means having the comparison I feel it the same just more mildly. I love my morning coffee. Just sitting and drinking while reading or even drinking on teh drive to work or errands. I forgot to make it I 3x this was so ready to go. I also skipped my energy drink mid morning a few times. And this is on 4.5-5hrs of sleep waking up at 3am. I come home and nap 1.5hrs after work/training.

I think honestly it is the combination of the peptides is synergistic and has created a 1+1=3 scenario. I got some benefit from different doses of SLUPP both oral and IM. Higher doses of oral didnt bring more benefit. I will definitely continue injectable. however I cannot combine it with more than a single up of coffee or less than 100mg or it is too much. Also I took 2-3mg and while 2 didnt do anything better 3 gave me a horrific and scary physical reaction. Additionally I will not do a second dose of SLUPP as it does keep me awake if I take it alone pre work later in the day. I have also had more success with subq vs IM which could be anecdotal.

Nothing noticeable from MOTS alone ever. However Reta alone improved my GFR/liver enzymes and adding MOTS showed even further improvement when I just got more labs done. The best they have ever been. And they were never "bad". I take this IM as subq gave me lumps from both sources.

TB/BPC I have used when I tore my hamstring in December and when I just tore my tricep. Thankfully both pretty mild but there was a lot of inflammation and bruising with both and I would say 3 shots in of the peptides and 90% of inflammation was gone and pain was greatly improved. Now I did not get imaging done for either. The hamstring took about 8 weeks to be 100% but the first 10-14 days on the peptides went from struggling to get up steps without pain to doing unilateral high rep leg curls. Same with tricep. Couldn't push my car door open. 2 days later the balloon in my elbow is gone, I can see there is no actual deformity and I was doing light high rep rehab press downs pain free in another week. I will switch to a bottle of KLOW over 20 days which will put it at 500mg TB/BPC maintenance but I am a huge believer in them in high doses for acute injury. I take KLOW IM for the welts also.

Semax/SS31 I did start these both close together but I did notice increased clarity since. Anything insane? No. Worth continuing... I think so. For now. Because I think the synergy is working. But these would be the first to go if I had to.

Selank I will finish and stop. I noticed nothing.

What is next
MT2 250mcg
Oxytocin (I forget the dose off hand)

My first go of MT2. I started at 50mcg the other day because I was afraid of the GI upset lol. I am going up 25mcg a day to see what I tolerate and gets effect. So far too early to report anything. SubQ.

Oxytocin was AJ recommended for sleep along with CBD to rely less on THC. I am mixed. The THC works well for sleep and generalized anxiety. But it would definitely be nice to not need. But then I would just need these. We will see. Just an experiment right in time when a vape shop owner gave me some samples and I look more into the Charlotte's Web CBD products.

Anyway, that's all. Take it for what it is worth which might not be much haha. I am not saying any of this as some special protocol or anything revolutionary. Just my personal experience experimenting and finding a protocol that has given me tangible and intangible benefit. And as someone who was a late believer maybe this can help some other new folks.

 

[need4tren]

I’m finally jumping on the peptide wagon. Tb/bpc has been amazing, added in methylene blue and it was amazing so I just added in mots c and ordered a bunch of other stuff to try. Curious about 5 amino 1mq and ss31

 

[Fleezy]

My first go of MT2. I started at 50mcg the other day because I was afraid of the GI upset lol. I am going up 25mcg a day to see what I tolerate and gets effect. So far too early to report anything. SubQ.

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[hogan87]

semax and selank are for cognitive decline. Semax helps remove beta amyloid plaque in the brain. Do you have Alzheimer's? If not, you are wasting money.

All this other stuff, you would be better off working on getting a solid 8 hours of sleep.

I`m old enough to remember the hype on cjc with dac, without dac and DatbTrue was supposed to be god. Yeah all that flamed out quick as I believe these will soon fade too.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

I`m old enough to remember the hype on cjc with dac, without dac and DatbTrue was supposed to be god. Yeah all that flamed out quick as I believe these will soon fade too.

I was thereee for it lol loved his forum and was fulllly bought into the secretagogues. I gave everyyything a try...and this was like 2018ish. The hype is/was not worth it. With the price of GH now, there is literally reason why someone should even bother with GH peps. Just a complete waste.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

semax and selank are for cognitive decline. Semax helps remove beta amyloid plaque in the brain. Do you have Alzheimer's? If not, you are wasting money.

All this other stuff, you would be better off working on getting a solid 8 hours of sleep.

I`m old enough to remember the hype on cjc with dac, without dac and DatbTrue was supposed to be god. Yeah all that flamed out quick as I believe these will soon fade too.

…probably also believed you’d never get arrested for remailing……..

You come into this guys thread PURELY to talk shit about what he’s doing.

 

[need4tren]

semax and selank are for cognitive decline. Semax helps remove beta amyloid plaque in the brain. Do you have Alzheimer's? If not, you are wasting money.

All this other stuff, you would be better off working on getting a solid 8 hours of sleep.

I`m old enough to remember the hype on cjc with dac, without dac and DatbTrue was supposed to be god. Yeah all that flamed out quick as I believe these will soon fade too.

This is like saying lifting weights is to prevent muscle atrophy.

Semax is very beneficial for maintaining and improving cognitive function, and selank has anti anxiety effects on top of some of the cognitive benefits. Both have shown ability to help recover the cns which is why I’m interested in them as my nervous system can’t handle the capacity that my muscle recovery can, so if I’m able to recover my nervous system I can handle more sessions in a week

 

[romo]

I have been doing 3ius ed of Tps blacks for 6 years now, 2 months out of the year i put them away and run Tesamorelin. Try it.

 

[hogan87]

This is like saying lifting weights is to prevent muscle atrophy.

Semax is very beneficial for maintaining and improving cognitive function, and selank has anti anxiety effects on top of some of the cognitive benefits. Both have shown ability to help recover the cns which is why I’m interested in them as my nervous system can’t handle the capacity that my muscle recovery can, so if I’m able to recover my nervous system I can handle more sessions in a week

How old are you that you are having cognitive decline? If you are getting 4-5 hours of sleep like the OP, that is step one! I`ll say it again, taking 8 peptides daily on top of actual AAS but only getting 4-5 hours of sleep is stupid. Get your basics down, food, sleep, training. I understand you want your nervous system recovery, sleep/rest is #1 for that. Followed close by proper complete nutrition. Drugs don`t replace #1 or #2. But such is the world today

 

[Josefein421]

I am not saying it is necessary, good, bad or otherwise. I am simply stating my experience with them. That said Semax and Selank were AJ and he provides peer reviewed data. So I am gonna stick with them for now. They would be the first to go. I do have PTSD, TBI and I think CTE though not diagnosable except autopsy. I do have some short term memory issues in my opinion.

The peptides are a small facet of the plan to improve sleep and recovery. If anyone has ants to look at my log and see some examples of the morning and evening routine. It is all designed by him to optimize mitochondria and atp but even more so stay out of SNS and in PNS as much as possible but especially winding down at night.

Unfortunately sleep has always been an issue for 20yrs. We haw the naps built in every day and thankfully my schedule allows it. I’m not saying anything in this post replaces sleep, nutrition, etc. They are the last priority but talked a lot about lately so I gave my experience as a layman using them.

That’s it I don’t think this is anything like DAT. He was one person manly typing for years behind a computer screen. These are scientist and respected members of the fitness community studying, researching, discussing and even selling these compounds with their names attached. I don’t think they are the BL and all but I don’t think they are weights. And I don’t think there’s anything like CJC which to be fair I never took part of.

 

[specter]

I am not saying it is necessary, good, bad or otherwise. I am simply stating my experience with them. That said Semax and Selank were AJ and he provides peer reviewed data. So I am gonna stick with them for now. They would be the first to go. I do have PTSD, TBI and I think CTE though not diagnosable except autopsy. I do have some short term memory issues in my opinion.

The peptides are a small facet of the plan to improve sleep and recovery. If anyone has ants to look at my log and see some examples of the morning and evening routine. It is all designed by him to optimize mitochondria and atp but even more so stay out of SNS and in PNS as much as possible but especially winding down at night.

Unfortunately sleep has always been an issue for 20yrs. We haw the naps built in every day and thankfully my schedule allows it. I’m not saying anything in this post replaces sleep, nutrition, etc. They are the last priority but talked a lot about lately so I gave my experience as a layman using them.

That’s it I don’t think this is anything like DAT. He was one person manly typing for years behind a computer screen. These are scientist and respected members of the fitness community studying, researching, discussing and even selling these compounds with their names attached. I don’t think they are the BL and all but I don’t think they are weights. And I don’t think there’s anything like CJC which to be fair I never took part of.

Havent we just been hammered the last 5 years+ that tren is neurodegenrative ? so takin selank and semax sounds like a good idea imo.

 

[Worldsfastestfatty]

Havent we just been hammered the last 5 years+ that tren is neurodegenrative ? so takin selank and semax sounds like a good idea imo.

Reading certain posts on here is neurodegenerative so we should probably all be on selank and semax!

Ive tried Oral SLU at doses from 750mcg up to 500mg and I'm not 100% convinced I got much from it. I'm tempted to try the injectable but I dunno, I just found the juice wasn't worth the squeeze with the oral for me.

Similarly I don't get a huge amount from Reta - no discernable impact on appetite; although it does drop my A1c a couple of points (I always stay in healthy ranges regardless so it's not gonna have massive impacts on me). Tirz doesn't really do much for me either - it absolutely anhilates my partners appetite so I know the product is "good".

I've heard a small percentage don't respond to GLP drugs so I guess I'm in the category. Fortunately I do respond quite well to clen and DNP so swing and roundabouts!

 

[pimpman]

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take 2-4 of these 5 minutes before your shot and you're golden

I keep saying tell your primary you suffer from nausea to prescribe zofran. It’s what the hospital use but they use the injectable one. This is a tiny pill that you desolv under your tongue. And in less than 5 minutes absolutely no nausea at ALL. It’s IMPOSSIBLE to have any nausea with it. There is no side effects. I’ve been using it for years. I have so much of it I can store it in a warehouse lol

 

[need4tren]

How old are you that you are having cognitive decline? If you are getting 4-5 hours of sleep like the OP, that is step one! I`ll say it again, taking 8 peptides daily on top of actual AAS but only getting 4-5 hours of sleep is stupid. Get your basics down, food, sleep, training. I understand you want your nervous system recovery, sleep/rest is #1 for that. Followed close by proper complete nutrition. Drugs don`t replace #1 or #2. But such is the world today

I’m not having my cognitive decline. I’m looking to boost cognitive function, lower neurological inflammation from anabolic use, and maintain brain health

I sleep 10-12 hours a night and obviously my diet is on track. I’m looking to be optimal in every facet of life

 

[Josefein421]

UPDATE

I feel the best mentally, physically and spiritually as I have ever felt in my life. I think the reason is multifaceted. I do believe the peptides played a significant role at at significant time. I had some cognitive issues, GI issues and thyroid issues. Likely all interconnected. Symptoms were masked by fatigue and trying to push through it.

I will be transparent... AJ caught all of these things and the connection and came up with a plan both the peptides and otherwise to fix them all. I give him all the credit. I will also admit as others have said in this thread that the best thing has been a stress reduction and rest/recovery increase. My sleep duration and sleep scores have gone up. Which came first those improvements or symptom improvement allowing better rest? I am not sure and do not really care.

That said, I will discontinue a lot of them because for one I dont think I need them. Second, I am tired of jabbing myself a million times and the time it takes lol. Last, the cost savings. I have streamlined a lot of the grab bag slew of supps I started also and gotten things from Revive to just make it simpler.

I will keep GH in and that is it for hte moment. Food is increased to the point I dont want the delayed emptying from Reta. MOTS I just want a break from. That one give me welts but I do believe is part responsible along with reta for my immaculate blood work. So I will bring it back in in a few weeks. SS31 I will bring back probably next time I take a break from MOTS. Semax/Selank I do not see a need for. BPC/TB for acute issues only as my tricep has healed and I have no aches or pains especially after adjusting my training style. Oh, MT2 I will continue to use sparingly now that I have a nice base.

Again, YMMV but they had benefit for me.

 

[Sectør]

UPDATE

I feel the best mentally, physically and spiritually as I have ever felt in my life. I think the reason is multifaceted. I do believe the peptides played a significant role at at significant time. I had some cognitive issues, GI issues and thyroid issues. Likely all interconnected. Symptoms were masked by fatigue and trying to push through it.

I will be transparent... AJ caught all of these things and the connection and came up with a plan both the peptides and otherwise to fix them all. I give him all the credit. I will also admit as others have said in this thread that the best thing has been a stress reduction and rest/recovery increase. My sleep duration and sleep scores have gone up. Which came first those improvements or symptom improvement allowing better rest? I am not sure and do not really care.

That said, I will discontinue a lot of them because for one I dont think I need them. Second, I am tired of jabbing myself a million times and the time it takes lol. Last, the cost savings. I have streamlined a lot of the grab bag slew of supps I started also and gotten things from Revive to just make it simpler.

I will keep GH in and that is it for hte moment. Food is increased to the point I dont want the delayed emptying from Reta. MOTS I just want a break from. That one give me welts but I do believe is part responsible along with reta for my immaculate blood work. So I will bring it back in in a few weeks. SS31 I will bring back probably next time I take a break from MOTS. Semax/Selank I do not see a need for. BPC/TB for acute issues only as my tricep has healed and I have no aches or pains especially after adjusting my training style. Oh, MT2 I will continue to use sparingly now that I have a nice base.

Again, YMMV but they had benefit for me.

I kind of do a similar approach now.

I do still keep Reta in. I’ll pulse mots-c every now and then. That’s really all for now as far as peptides go, for a while I went down the rabbit hole pretty hard, mostly out of curiosity, but I feel like Reta/mots-c cover my bases very well and gives the most bang for your buck.

Ss-31 I found disappointing and not worth it imo (personal experience).

The only other one I would probably add back in soon is KLOW, but similar to you I might use this more for nagging injury or tendonitis flares rather than year round preemptive prevention

 

[specter]

UPDATE

I feel the best mentally, physically and spiritually as I have ever felt in my life. I think the reason is multifaceted. I do believe the peptides played a significant role at at significant time. I had some cognitive issues, GI issues and thyroid issues. Likely all interconnected. Symptoms were masked by fatigue and trying to push through it.

I will be transparent... AJ caught all of these things and the connection and came up with a plan both the peptides and otherwise to fix them all. I give him all the credit. I will also admit as others have said in this thread that the best thing has been a stress reduction and rest/recovery increase. My sleep duration and sleep scores have gone up. Which came first those improvements or symptom improvement allowing better rest? I am not sure and do not really care.

That said, I will discontinue a lot of them because for one I dont think I need them. Second, I am tired of jabbing myself a million times and the time it takes lol. Last, the cost savings. I have streamlined a lot of the grab bag slew of supps I started also and gotten things from Revive to just make it simpler.

I will keep GH in and that is it for hte moment. Food is increased to the point I dont want the delayed emptying from Reta. MOTS I just want a break from. That one give me welts but I do believe is part responsible along with reta for my immaculate blood work. So I will bring it back in in a few weeks. SS31 I will bring back probably next time I take a break from MOTS. Semax/Selank I do not see a need for. BPC/TB for acute issues only as my tricep has healed and I have no aches or pains especially after adjusting my training style. Oh, MT2 I will continue to use sparingly now that I have a nice base.

Again, YMMV but they had benefit for me.

Our bodies can only take so much before something brakes down, we think we can just add another drug and everything will be fine, but there is a braking point.