my next cycle thoghts plz

[r0idb0y]

Well ive done some reading up and i just got some advice so now i will run this as ive just got the mast and not the winny.

1-12 eq 400mg split pins pw
1-12 Masteron 300mg split pw
1-14 sus250 500mg split pw

usual pct now 3 weeks after last test pin

thoughts ?

 

[Medic08]

Sust has test decanate so pct should should 3 weeks after last pn.

 

[wtw11171]

I'd say

I'd say no pct for like 3 weeks after last sust inject. Its always nice to have lots of info. and maybe even the reason why you chose this cycle.

 

[r0idb0y]

kewl thanks for that i will make it 3 weeks.

i chose this cycle because i believe i get better results on sus250, the eq for less water and bloat , and the masteron to try and finish nice.

basically its what i believe for me is my best option to gain as much lean mass as i can within my budget.

i will do a var and primbo to cut after a break. how long should i wait?

thanks to those that post

 

[LBJK88981]

Well ive done some reading up and i just got some advice so now i will run this as ive just got the mast and not the winny.

1-12 eq 400mg split pins pw
1-12 Masteron 300mg split pw
1-14 sus250 500mg split pw

usual pct now 3 weeks after last test pin

thoughts ?

I would rather see you run

1-6: Test Cyp - 500mg
1-6: Tren acetate - 250mg
6-12: Test Enth - 500mg
6-12: Masteron - 300mg

-Alex

 

[kscowboy]

With that long of a cycle i would also think about running some HCG during the cycle.

 

[Elvia1023]

I would rather see you run

1-6: Test Cyp - 500mg
1-6: Tren acetate - 250mg
6-12: Test Enth - 500mg
6-12: Masteron - 300mg

-Alex

Your recommending 4 different compounds (including tren) for his 3rd cycle ever? Although I should add I quite like the look of that cycle.

 

[LBJK88981]

Your recommending 4 different compounds (including tren) for his 3rd cycle ever? Although I should add I quite like the look of that cycle.

There are diminishing returns and an increase in side effects when running more than 2 compounds at once. If you notice, I have him change up the testosterone esters to keep the body guessing a bit, as well as switching up the secondary anabolic to 1- keep the body guessing, 2-match his goal. it is better to end a cycle on masteron than tren due to tren being a progestin and thus instigating HPTA suppression from multiple physiological angles.

-Alex

 

[r0idb0y]

thanks for the input, im a bit concerned to run tren at this point . i didnt get a really good gain off the testE my last cycle as i did for my first sus250 cycle thats why i have gone back.

do you think i should kick the mast in from week 4 -12 instead and is 300mg pw a safe/ good dose?

 

[LBJK88981]

thanks for the input, im a bit concerned to run tren at this point . i didnt get a really good gain off the testE my last cycle as i did for my first sus250 cycle thats why i have gone back.

do you think i should kick the mast in from week 4 -12 instead and is 300mg pw a safe/ good dose?

You can use sustanon if you like. i prefer the straight esters. In fact I prefer prop over any form of test. If you keep tren at 250mg per week it is quite mild, however if you don't wish to run it then I suggest you keep the masteron. 300mg per week is a safe dose for masteron. If you are prone to hairloss, or BPH than keep an eye out when using masteron.

Alex

 

[kscowboy]

Hey alex-I am curious as to why you didnt recommend a compound like primo. Do you like Primo? And if so what dose?

 

[LBJK88981]

Hey alex-I am curious as to why you didnt recommend a compound like primo. Do you like Primo? And if so what dose?

I like primo alot. I just tend not to recommend it as it is cost prohibitive for many. I find it especially effective and mild in the 750-1,000mg weekly dose. I would prefer this compound over boldenone any day.

I still however prefer trenbolone. it is a very potent androgen/anabolic. When used at an ideal (not excessive dose) with some testosterone, the results can be very significant. I think like this: If using anabolics anyway, why not better optimize their overall effectiveness and simply do shorter cycles.

I personally like "blast cycles". For instance. 8 weeks on, 4 off, repeat. this keeps the body primed and guessing. I like to use testosterone propionate and trenbolone acetate during these 8 week 'blasts' on a mg/mg basis they yield the best results. Side effects are much more apparent when people simply use excessive doses. There are only somany androgen receptors to act on, once saturated, the excess hormone is free to do other things (side effects). I find basing dose on LBM is a good way to minimize side effects while maximizing gains.

Alex

 

[kscowboy]

Interesting. Thanks. But pinning eod with prop and tren for 8 weeks gets old. Unless the dosages and mg's enable you to only use one pin. When using multiple compounds, having to pin 2x eod can get old. Pinning twice a week is ideal to me.

 

[LBJK88981]

Interesting. Thanks. But pinning eod with prop and tren for 8 weeks gets old. Unless the dosages and mg's enable you to only use one pin. When using multiple compounds, having to pin 2x eod can get old. Pinning twice a week is ideal to me.

I agree with you there. I have found that the troubles of pinning EOD disappear when using very high quality gear. Of course this is hard to find most of the time but I recently tried out one of the new board sponsors on here and the products are treating me just as well as the real pharma stuff. VERY pleased

-Alex

 

[Johnny Smiles]

There are diminishing returns and an increase in side effects when running more than 2 compounds at once. If you notice, I have him change up the testosterone esters to keep the body guessing a bit, as well as switching up the secondary anabolic to 1- keep the body guessing, 2-match his goal. it is better to end a cycle on masteron than tren due to tren being a progestin and thus instigating HPTA suppression from multiple physiological angles.

-Alex

big ALEX, your posts are alwyas helpful and insightfull. i think tren is the most bang for your buck for sure. very potent drug and can be harsh if done too high amounts. 250mg would be plenty.

i only disagree with the body guessing about test. what does the body have to guess at? testosterone is testosterone. body breaks it down and it goes to the androgen recepotr. no guessing involved ya know? its testosterone. test is test whether its prop enan or cyp it all goes to the SAME receptor. no guessing.
(have you read posts by EMERIC DELZIG? he went to school to learn about AAS and etc in romania. crazy knowledge about it you should check out ALL of his threads and any he posts in. there was one where he proved test e releases just as fast as prop. i can't remember the specifics tho.)
-JS

 

[LBJK88981]

big ALEX, your posts are alwyas helpful and insightfull. i think tren is the most bang for your buck for sure. very potent drug and can be harsh if done too high amounts. 250mg would be plenty.

i only disagree with the body guessing about test. what does the body have to guess at? testosterone is testosterone. body breaks it down and it goes to the androgen recepotr. no guessing involved ya know? its testosterone. test is test whether its prop enan or cyp it all goes to the SAME receptor. no guessing.
(have you read posts by EMERIC DELZIG? he went to school to learn about AAS and etc in romania. crazy knowledge about it you should check out ALL of his threads and any he posts in. there was one where he proved test e releases just as fast as prop. i can't remember the specifics tho.)
-JS

I have read some of his posts. There is always a difference in how something works on paper and in reality. I cannot disagree with any of the pharmacology or references he makes. Yes - Test is test, however a static dose and/or consistent administration of only one particular ester will create a degree of tolerance in the body. I understand that testosterone, regardless of the ester, undergoes a similar metabolic process and provides the body with the same end product and result. Qualitatively and in bodybuilding practice - different esters do create different effects via their speed of metabolism. (fluid retention, onset of noticeable functionality etc)

My recommendations are simply based on years of experience with myself, with my clients and things I discuss with other bodybuilding coaches/anabolics "experts"

-Alex

 

[Johnny Smiles]

I have read some of his posts. There is always a difference in how something works on paper and in reality. I cannot disagree with any of the pharmacology or references he makes. Yes - Test is test, however a static dose and/or consistent administration of only one particular ester will create a degree of tolerance in the body. I understand that testosterone, regardless of the ester, undergoes a similar metabolic process and provides the body with the same end product and result. Qualitatively and in bodybuilding practice - different esters do create different effects via their speed of metabolism. (fluid retention, onset of noticeable functionality etc)
My recommendations are simply based on years of experience with myself, with my clients and things I discuss with other bodybuilding coaches/anabolics "experts"

-Alex

i think the administration of constant DOSE is main problem. gains will always plateau eventually if dose is not increased. the ester is not so much the culprit IMO.

and Emerics schooling is on par with his real world experince too. test e before a show or test prop the body sees it all as test so sides aren't different is what he demonstrated. no more water retention with cyp than prop etc. if there is a difference it is so minute no one would recognize it OR diet is what really gets rid of the water etc. too many factors perhaps to isolate. but i DO know i look exaclty the same when lean and on prop or cyp or e... just more holes in me with prop lol.

regardless of my opinions good points bro. i know you are a sharp cat!
-JS

 

[brmuscle]

With that long of a cycle i would also think about running some HCG during the cycle.

totally agree!!! it will make you recover much faster

 

[r0idb0y]

totally agree!!! it will make you recover much faster

I hear you but its a bit hard to buy that in my location.

Im starting a new thread with diet , training and sups. be good to see you there helping me out as well.
im trying to get as big but not have to much water or fat gained so English heaps of LBM lol

 

[LBJK88981]

i think the administration of constant DOSE is main problem. gains will always plateau eventually if dose is not increased. the ester is not so much the culprit IMO.

and Emerics schooling is on par with his real world experince too. test e before a show or test prop the body sees it all as test so sides aren't different is what he demonstrated. no more water retention with cyp than prop etc. if there is a difference it is so minute no one would recognize it OR diet is what really gets rid of the water etc. too many factors perhaps to isolate. but i DO know i look exaclty the same when lean and on prop or cyp or e... just more holes in me with prop lol.

regardless of my opinions good points bro. i know you are a sharp cat!
-JS

Thanks. The additional water weight from say enanthate or cypionate vs propionate is really dependent on the individual's metabolism of the compound, their bodyfat % etc. When really lean, the difference is negligible. I however out of curiosity ran bloods to compare my estrogen levels on 500mg prop vs 500mg enanthate with all other variables as cosntant as can be and they were SLIGHTLY elevated when using enanthate. When I say "slightly," I'm implying that for many - the intangible benefit is not likely worth the extra injections. I however still prefer propionate. I like to be able to have a compound begin working quickly, and clear quickly so that I have more "control" per-se.

-Alex