My response to the closed TJ thread ...sorry but this needs to be said

[Iabadman]

I have to say ....that with out passing judgment ....this thread just made me sad and actually pretty sick ...the disrespect to the owner [ a person I have mad respect and love for ] and the great mods[ especially tyrone ....bro expect a pm from me ] here as well really irks me ...

In the past Tom and I butted heads and I let it go ......this was after him claiming to be a cop , a bad ass , and a big name pro wrestler with 23 inch arms [ even though he has been on many sites asking everyone who would listen about about how to get his arms bigger ....and that includes using oil.....but then again he claims he used weigh 360 lbs ] He tends to fly off the handle and then go bat shit crazy when he feels judged in anyway .....He wants to be the cool guy and when he is not, he gets pissed and becomes aggressive, I guess I can understand as can be aggressive as well .[ maybe this is the alcohol ....i don't fucking care ...it is rude and child like ....and like last time ,don't pull that shit with me or I will challenge to meet you in San Diego like I did before MR Bad ass fighter and throw you a horrible beating that I will post up on you tube for the guys here that you insulted to enjoy on you tube .....before you pipe up ......know I am not a bluffer ...I have done it before and will do it again .....I have the means and have no problem letting off some steam on an internet tough guy ....call my bluff .....or be respectful ...the choice is yours......I respect you ....so I hope before you get all mouthy know who you are talking to and don't make yourself look bad .....I am here to help people ....I love ,respect , and appreciate this site and sorry if I am protective of people that are good to me ....so know I am not judging you , but I am checking you for being defensive with the owner and great mods of the board .....that is all ....we have been cool ....we can stay that way ...or we can handle it in a way that will do nothing but hurt you and make you look very bad ........your call ...enjoy the board ....contribute ....learn ....but honestly , keep the stories about hookers and drinking to yourself ......it only makes you look bad sir ....and this isn't the place for it ......All I ask is you to consider to apologize to Big A , the mods , and members you attacked or offended .....otherwise , take it as a lesson learned ....who cares .....we all make mistakes and have different perspectives ....sometimes we insult people with out intending to .....no one is saying you are a bad guy or member here, so like I said be respectful .....be a gentleman ...and consider doing the right thing by yourself here ......that is my only beef with you and we have been fine for many yrs .....I would like it to stay that way ....but I am fine with the alternative ,,,,,I take care of PM ,because it takes care of me ....sorry if that hurts or upsets you ....that isn't my intent sincerely ....I honestly want the best for you as i do for everyone here ......to each his own ....but do and say the right thing ....not for me , but for yourself man ....."


And being that I run strip clubs for a living [ clean ones ] ,I can tell you that woman selling themselves isn't a victim less crime . [ despite what they tell you ] It breaks my heart and many nights I drive home with tears in my eyes for providing places for beautiful young women to destroy themselves .....I got in the business after getting busted for trafficking steroids which made my education useless and job possibilities limited ....enticed by people in the know ....I got involved in the business through some hard people I knew in the Vegas that needed a young buck to handle things ....and after proving my worth by not being into drugs , alcohol , or easy women ...... I created a pretty high paying career for myself with a solid rep ....I told myself going in .....that I was going to be a good thing in a bad business ......I am not perfect....but I have tried to really live by that during my many yrs in the game ......I have seen it all ,and see the damage caused by women selling themselves ....It sucks because there really great girls that get ruined by objectifying themselves in adult businesses . I have seen the inside of it all .....I know all the name girls and producers in porn ....many many escorts , pimps , low level hookers from playboy playmates that hook for 20 k a pop,to beautiful young girls so addicted they will suck your cock for 40 bucks , I know web cam girls , and even high level madams or gangsters that run illegal brothels .......it is all the same and the dirtier it gets ,the worse the damage and the faster it hits....clean dancers get fucked up with in a year or two even though will tell how they got it going on ......think about what happens to a 100 dollar a pop hooker ....or girls that do gang bang porn for 700 bucks a scene? ..It is not cool or pretty my friends....next time one of you guys do a hooker or treat a dancer like one .....remember what that girl went through to end up there ....remember 9 times out of ten there is a drug problem and a pimp ,boy friend that lives off of , or even worse behind her [ most have been raped and molested ]......it isn't pretty .....I have taken many risks financially in order to retire young and get away from this sad world .....unfortunately , I haven't quite made it out yet ....until then, I try to be a good thing in a bad business .....but before you guys judge Tom [ and nobody should ever judge anyone ] judge me .....as many girl and staff that I have helped get out or clean ....I have failed many many more times than I have ever succeed .....Tom is just short sited ....not seeing the big picture .....most people are like that ....and it is unfortunate ....but honestly ,I am far worse than he could ever be . I trade a good living and have made excuses for it at the cost of others ......I intend to take my responsibility and help people the rest of my life to maybe balance out what I have contributed to . But talk is cheap ......let me get out , get my book out there , and my web community before I am released being a dirt bag women exploiter .......Don't hate Tom guys .....let him read what I posted maybe he will do the right thing and learn something . [ maybe he won't ....he is his own man and I respect his choices .....just like if he apologizes and deals with me in a proper manner ...... I really don't like how he goes off at times and talks so tough... But I respect him and think he has a p[lace here just as much as I do .....hopefully ,he sees that and acts like the gentlemen I believe he really is ....if not ,I guess we will see how it plays out from there ......But I am here with love and respect .....yes I am protective, and my friends here know I will back up my words gladly ...But i hope Tom sees i am here actually defending him ,I just want him stop the aggressive bs and apologize to people that provide this great place for us ]


Live Better , Love harder , and be Excellent my friends .......I am at the Life Support thread if you need some support ....



All my best ....thanks to Big A and the MODs .....all hail PM !!!

On a final note .....the MR C that tom mentioned is not MR c from life support ....this needs to get straightened out .....either someone hacked his account .....or Tom posted the wrong screen name .MR C isn't a hooker kind fella ......plus is a good looking young guy that certainly doesn't need to pay hookers ]

 

[Iabadman]

HA ha look at Big Chef laying down the smack ....[ Chef is a Life Supporter guys as well.....proud to have him ]

Hope you , your girl , and mom are all doing well big man .....much love ...I got your back ...I appreciate you having mine !!!....Thank you my friend!!!

 

[JonnyO]

He tends to fly off the handle and then go bat shit crazy when he feels judged in anyway .....He wants to be the cool guy and when he is not, he gets pissed and becomes aggressive, ]

I bit my tongue since that thread he started of his last trip....I was dumbfounded how someone could come on a public forum and brag about that. And it blew me away the number of posters praising him. I mean it's one thing being a young single guy out on the town with his buddies and one thing leads to another....but he seemed to be praying on these women, made me sick. And this last escapade goes home and sleeps with his wife too? Wow, just wow. Poor lady.

You nailed it with the above statement too.

I dont know, I could care less to see his ass here again personally. Im not usually this harsh, sorry.

 

[BigChef]

HA ha look at Big Chef laying down the smack ....[ Chef is a Life Supporter guys as well.....proud to have him ]

Hope you , your girl , and mom are all doing well big man .....much love ...I got your back ...I appreciate you having mine !!!....Thank you my friend!!!

Thanks bro hehehe!

 

[KrissKr0ss]

Many of you guys probably do not know me. My name is Kriss and I came to PM over a year ago. Jason had talked about PM for the last 10 years (as I have known him for 13 now) of how many good people were in such a small community of the massive world wide web. To be honest i have not spent a lot of times reading all the threads. I am not a body builder just a man who loves fitness and stays in shape. I came here looking for advice on life, mentality, perspective, and to give to others in need. If you asked me anything about genetics I would be lost, but I have spent my whole life being the counselor, provider and helper to everyone in m life including my parents.

When Jason told me about Life Support on PM I felt honored to be a part of such a well regarded community. I do not know the Mods or the dedicated men that keep this site running, all I do know is this is probably one of the most real boards I have ever been a part of, and I am a part of many (this being the only one related to fitness). This is why right now I feel pretty shitty to be frank. The thread about the girls was tough to read. Why you might ask, well I can assure you it is not because I have a weak stomach or have no idea what the coldness of the world is like. I work with Jason and have for 10 years. I started in the strip club business at age 18 working my way up the fucked up ladder that it is.

I started in the parking lot, watching all the shit go down in 40 degree weather. I have had guns pulled on me, knives in my face, and for what!? Cause some dirt bag dude would not pay some 20 year old girl that 40 bucks he owned her. Many people don't know the reality of this world, my world. or Jason's. People love us who want to be us (and they are not the kind of people I would ever want to admire us) and all the others think we are bad people. I know we are not. I know how many girls over the years have cried themselves out in our arms. I have held back more hair than I count watching girls be sick from either taking to much shit or not enough. I have seen, heard, and been in more fucked up situations than anyone other than Jason could even dream about.

When I came into the business at 18 I did not know what to think. All I knew is that I was coming there after I had led a life which which not good. I was three steps for doing major time for pretty serious shit. I was brought to the club, ya brought to a strip club of all places to be saved. I was saved. I would not have made it in prison, not a chance in hell. But Jason brought me in, and guided me to a new life. A life not of theft and crime but giving and respect. He was a good thing a dark place to me and countless others. Everyone gravitated towards him, no one could help themselves. He was really the only on there not wanting to use the business, use the women, use the drugs.... he was there to help and do all that was in his power to make a difference. I modeled myself after him... I wanted to be that guy, The one that could be known as a good guy, like Jason. We wanted to be part of people healing not breaking people down more.

Here is why I am posting, as this is not about me or Jason. This is about the world. We have to treat each other with respect. The girls who dance, hook, and everything else are in a bad place. They think they deserve no better. They have been abused by every person that was supposed to care and 100s others that just lied to abuse them more. It is not cool. My job eats at my soul and I am not just saying that. I am old and in touch with myself enough not to let it corrupt me. I could be a drug addicted woman user but I have love for all those girls cause no girls deserve that kind of life. These girls are the mothers of the future, they should be treated well and they are not. Why? Cause many do not value women, and many women do not value themselves. It is sad, but true.

I want to leave you all with this....

Many of the girls I have known in my life through my job (over 1000) are destined from addiction, abuse, prison, and early death. Why? because they do not know any better and no men every stepped up to be good to them. So they said fuck it, might as well make money. They do not want the money, but they do not feel they can do any better. They do. I personally am on my way out of the business myself in the next 9 months and I am going to dedicate myself to doing what ever I can for anyone who needs help. I know i can not help people who do not want help but I can help those that do.

If you guys could have all seen these girls on day 1 of working, it would break your heart. You have no idea how hard I try to scare some of them away from diving into the life, cause once you are in as a women there is no getting out and it goes form dancing, to movies, to privates, to escorting, to disappearing. It is sad. We all humans and should not live a life such as I just described.

I hope that I did not offend anyone here. We all love girls, no doubt but guys women rise and fall on us. We should want to do right by people. I came to PM to help people. I am in LIFE SUPPORT if you guys ever want to chat. I know that when you give you get a lot in return. I know I can only give an ear to these girls and to you all, I hope that I can do all I can for them and for you.

Nothing but love to you all.

The world is a cold dark place, but we all have the ability to walk light and kindheartedly with candles in provide just a little light to a dark world.

As Jason said, and we adopted as the mantra of LS...

One for all and all for one....

 

[KrissKr0ss]

Big ups to Big Chef..... I don;t get people, SPAM... really? U rock Big Chef! Hope you are well bro! Your mom and girl!!! Much love man!

 

[Mr C]

Thank you for clearing that up.
Just so everybody else is clear, this is mrc from lifesupport- and ONLY lifesupport. I have never posted outside of the life support thread nor have I had ANY sort of communication with ANYBODY on this forum about ANYTHING in many months let alone about the topics being discussed.
It does not seem that somebody posted on my behalf, yet there was a reference to a "mrC" and I would like to publically make the distinction that I (the original MrC from life support) have no connection whatsoever with the author who referenced TJ using my sn.
This is a safe place with great mods and great people. Thank you specifically to iabadman BigA and KrissKross

 

[KrissKr0ss]

Sorry for the double post guys! Was trying to edit mine and my browser crashed so I panicked I would lose post and reposted again! Lost to many posts over the last year! Sorry again, didnt mean to post double!

 

[Iabadman]

Maybe Chef can delete the double post for us .....thanks pal ....great post

 

[KrissKr0ss]

Hey Mop how did you do that with the photo? Is that flash? I run a website that i do all writing, designing, SEO, bla bla bla and I would love to use stuff like that over my still images. Can you point me to some sites or give me some info? I am not a programmer and trying to learn each week as much as I can for my site..

**broken link removed**

and for the site I will be creating w Jason this year to help more people

Thanks bro

 

[KrissKr0ss]

Sorry Chef, is you want to delete post please delete first as the second has the additional info that I added via edit mode after posting the original post. Sorry again for the double post bro.

Jason, great post as well man. No one knows what we do, and I got nothing but love you for man. We may not save them all, but we helped as many as we could. You way more than me as I just play the music lol... but thanks man For saving me and helping me develop the ability and desire to help others.

 

[Bigwimp]

Iabadman....very good post. Like others, I do not like one thing about what he does. Mainly for me it is because of the marriage aspect of it. What turns people off about him is the chest out, I'm the shit, everyone wishes they were like me aggressive attitude he has. Craving attention, both good and bad, can be the only reason why someone would start threads like those and continue on with them the way he did.

I cannot say whether I like or dislike TOM as I have never met him. I may not like what he does in TJ but it wouldn't hold me back from liking him if I actually met him and got to know him. I know he could care less as he pointed out numerously that he didn't need more friends. He knew he would get backlash for his thread but I'm sure he didn't think it would ever go as far as it did.

I hope he continues to live the rest of his life as he wants to, no one has the right to tell him he has to change. I honestly do not think we will see any more of the Tijuana threads like we just had. It won't be because he doesn't want to start the thread, but because he will respect those of us that it really didn't sit well with.

 

[raw33man]

Now Aside from what is morally wrong or right

those girls that TOM kept posting pictures were NASTY and ugly !


God can you please kill me the day I start thinking of banging ugly dirty hookers like TOM posted. PLEASE GOD !

TOM you are way too proud of fucking hookers !! Find some attractive girls that you take on dates and you end up fucking, That will give you mad respect

 

[Tom]

just so there's no confusion Tough Old Man should be referred to as TOM or T.O.M. and not Tom. Thank you.

 

[BigChef]

Give it a rest guys! No more bickering...