And yet it just might. This would be the third member of this board in the last year (correct me if I am wrong) that has suffered from this is it not? I dont think anyone should ever sweep an intelligent thought on the matter under the rug just because it screws with their "I love doing juice and I dont like to think it can hurt me" motto. There has been a shifting in the bbing world in the last 15 years to where the dosages used with these compounds has become astronomical....to where you see 200 lb "dont even train legs" club guys using amounts that make reasonable people shake their head in disbelief.....which isnt the case here. Parabolan in the old days was never used at the dosages bbers have used trenbolone in the last decade and a half........somethings amiss in my opinion....I personally am not going to blow it off to "sucks to be Baldnazi or 2bigfred or Hella--they got bad luck"....hell no.....maybe a second look at trenbolone and its usage needs to be scrutinized by the bbing world
Had to bump that DC, and I'm glad you came around to my theory that Tren is the most harsh steroid in bodybuilding.
You have taken the first steps and I think you will be fine. Realizing there may have been a problem with taking too much and being honest with yourself about what is really important in life.
Since someone asked, I too never really drank other then a nice glass of wine a couple times a week with dinner and I never took pain meds either. The common thread that links me,Hella, and Fred is Tren as far as I see it. But who can really say for sure?
Feel free to call me again if you need me. I am here for you Fred.
Thanks BaldNazi as well, because this was the thread that I had connected a while back when you had posted your story as well as two others, and now Fred.
I have read and read and read on the subject on pubmed and elsewhere and I, personally, believe it is caused by just having high androgen and estrogen levels over an extended period of time due to MANY different drugs: Test, drol, dbol, tren, etc etc etc....that is what the studies seem to indicate.
Studies can indicate whatever they intend to prove depending on how you skew the study. Don't forget that studies also "proved" that steroids DID NOT WORK.
But we have examples on this board of 3 or more people who all have a common thread of HEAVY tren use, and all suffered the same issues. Yet people here seem to ignore the TREN issue because it builds muscle so quickly and gives incredible results, but then ignore the fact that it also gives you all types of IMMEDIATE SIDE EFFECTS, worse than any other steroid, and in the long term causes unexpected problems.
It's not high dose androgens, because then why haven't all of the heavy users all over the internet wrote threads about how they have thier livers and kidney's destroyed take MULTIPLE GRAMS OF TEST and all types of other crap?
Tren is the common thread here, and people should start accepting that tren is not as safe as everyone believes.
I can see the correlation but he said he only used 100mg tren ED at the highest. Yes thats a high dose, but I gaurantee there are 100's using that dose if not more.
There are not 100's of people doing 700mg of TREN a week. They probably have FAKE TREN. That's a load of bullshit if anyone says otherwise because you will feel tren IMMEDIATELY. If you can't grow on 50mg of tren every other day, then you have fake tren.
Here we have someone who admits to taking 100mg EVERY SINGLE DAY. That's a mega-dose of Tren and I'm sure he saw incredible size and strength results far more than with any other drug because it is the king of all androgens / anabolics. But it also is the king of side-effects and of the worst kind.
I don't care what studies say. I have friends who bitch to me all the time about headaches, pain in thier side (not thier back or cramping, but severe pain) night sweats and even trouble maintaining an erection all while on tren or all including tren in their intake. I'm not going to ignore that, and combining that with members of this board, I maintain that tren is the worst in terms of side effects.
If you do choose to use it for whatever reason, be smart about it or just accept that if you need THAT MUCH TREN, then you're not cut out to be a competitive bodybuilder anyway.