MY SURGERY..please don't let this happen to you

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one last thing

these are IMO the reason's we never come off#1 you dont want to lose your edge & let the next guy get ahead(time is muscle)#2you never feel the same post cycle"crash"/"shell of a man" syndrome(DRUG"S)..for these two main reasons we tend to ignore our commin sense/ bodies own genectic limit's(not boundries) and continue the IRON MAN QWEST..we all need to take a year or two clean out once in a while. i also would recommend anyone that can't speak openly to there DR. about anything to find a new on.. it is getting harder & harder to do... they are all scared of the DEA & losing their privlage.. older more "seasoned DR." are more likely to help(if there not dick heads). they are established and don't owe a boatload of $ to student loans ect.. i am one who knows. i am good friends with some cool DR.'s..JUST MY LAST 2CENTS on this issue.. im gonna go drink a soda now
insunlin tolerant/cj/mrvens----out

 

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AGREED ...

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Glad to hear your are recovering. It sounds like a terrible
ordeal and much more than a wake-up call.

I made a similar decision to drop the cycles a couple of years back. Between burying Labanimal (a local friend and another mysterious steriod? death), not being able to get my wife pregnant, and having abcess surgury, it all started looking less attractive. Fact is, I miss my dead friend, I don't like hospitals, and I want a kid.

I'm not surprised that guys want to seek out what you did differently than them - searching for a reason why your experience does not apply. Call it steroid addiction, bigarexia, whatever - for sure, once you get the feeling of being big, strong, full of energy, you want more, not less.

The fact is all of us - even those who use moderate doses - are part of a vast unregulated medical experiment that will have negative long term consequences for some. How many? We don't know. Certainly very few (if any) of the dosages and substances that many of us take would get past the animal phase of a clinical trial (I speak with professional knowledge on this point)

In many cases, we are trading short term quality of life for uncertain future effects in terms of quality and quantity of life.

In response many would say "its my life" or "look how many people smoke" or "I could die in a car crash" or "alcohol is more dangerous". I'd ask those guys what they are getting in the short run.

Well, if you need steroids to impress the guys at the gym, win fights at the bar, or get laid you're likely not a rational thinker anyway. In economics, we'd say you have an extremely high discount rate. Then again maybe you just misjudged the risks.

For me, a little growth and some test is all I'm doin.

The old phrase "Die young die strong Dianabol" isn't quite as funny when people really die.

Welcome back buddy - CH

 

[bellicose]

That's great....blame it on the fucking drugs!!! How fucking typical!!!
You're new nickname should be "Alzedo"
This shit happens to normal people all the time.....wake up and realize that sometimes you just get dealt a shit hand.



I have 3 friends that have been on for 20+ years with no ill effect other than some hypertension. Then again what 280 40 yr old doesn't have hypertension?

Start training hard and eating and you'll be back up to 230lbs in no time.

 

[Hiramabiff]

It means alot that you guys post,thanks.Will try to get to you all personaly as time allows.Tom,great idea on the trip,will consider it as I feel better for sure.

BrooklynBB...as I stated in my original post 2 months ago,I started doing the whole take long breaks,rest,get bloodwork done from the start many years ago.But as with anything,you gain experience and you think you know it all,you get reckless.One cyle blends into another.You bridge with 500mg test a week,your never really off,although you say you are.So my answer is the past few years were probably one big cycle with very little "real" off time.No bloodwork,just completely going through the motions.As far as the distention,I noticed it throughout.Not just the upper right quadrant as they say.Not major,but it was there.

Now I want to say a couple things about bloodtest.Im happy alot of you are getting them done,the response to my original post has been great.But I now recommend that you get a complete physical once a year as well.My doctor told me that what I had would not have shown on bloodwork.My levels may have been off,but no specific way of knowing there is a tumor.

The ONLY way to detect adenomas,hemangiomas,peliosis etc. of the liver is to get sonograms,MRIs or CTs.Its the only way you will know for sure if something is wrong.So get this done once a year,you may get things in time before a rupture happens or cancer progresses.Remember I had no real signs,nothing told me I had a tumor.I found out when I collapsed and the adenoma exploded.My sign was pain beyond belief and almost bleeding to death.

We worry so much about diet,training and gear,but how many of us take our health as serious?I would say the most important thing we need to be doing gets lost.It should be first and foremost.My idiot head the past few years didnt want to go to the doctor because of laziness and fear.Fear that maybe he will find something wrong and I will have to stop what Im doing.Sadly,I heard from alot of guys the same thing."If something is wrong,I don't want to know" That attitude almost cost me,don't be a fucking moron,go to the doctor.Monday morning I want you guys calling your docs and scheduling appointments.Im serious,do it.....

Thanks for sharing this experience my brother. I wish you well and nothing but love and understanding. You went thru hell bro.

You will become really close to the family while recovering.

The biggest and the hardest single thing that you will be required to do in this entire battle of recovery is to make up your mind to really fight and come back a new man. You must, on your own, make the commitment that you will do everything in your power to fight. No exceptions. Nothing halfway. Nothing for the sake of ease or convenience. Everything! Nothing short of it. When you have done this, you have accomplished the most difficult thing you will have to accomplish throughout your life.

Fighting means a complete change of lifestyle, absolutely leaving your comfort zone. There will be doctors doing things you might not like. Saying crap like you need this med or you need to do this.There will be lots of work for you to do. There might even be some pain and suffering and certainly, lots of new and unexpected experiences. You must decide that the end is worth the means because you are the only one who can do it. No one else can do it for you. There is no half way. It's all the way. But when it is all said and done, no matter what the results. Go for it with no second thoughts or regrets.

Remember, once you have made the commitment, everything else is relatively easy. There will be pleasant experiences. There will be unpleasant experiences. But I can promise you it is not as difficult as making the decision to make the commitment; to your health and long life.

Stay clean bro.

One love

 

[neils1153]

That's great....blame it on the fucking drugs!!! How fucking typical!!!
You're new nickname should be "Alzedo"
This shit happens to normal people all the time.....wake up and realize that sometimes you just get dealt a shit hand.



I have 3 friends that have been on for 20+ years with no ill effect other than some hypertension. Then again what 280 40 yr old doesn't have hypertension?

Start training hard and eating and you'll be back up to 230lbs in no time.

yeah ok go ahead and keep believing that man... drugs are that, DRUGS... too much of any drug for too long a time cant be good... throughout the years we as bodybuilders have tried this, tried that, and have pretty much been the unofficial experts in anabolics... i have a good friend that is a general family doctor and he admited to me he knows very little about the use of anabolics/androgens as their medical use is limited to wasting disorders such as AIDS, blood cancers, and certin anemias... this being a given we dont have a fucking "corner on the market", on steroids... this shit is still trial and error,,, i doubt very few of use are specialist in the endocrine system, and not only that but how it relates and affects the rest of the systems of the body... i think you are way off base on BN's post... to me the casual use of moderate, intelligent cycles are ok if you are healthy and keep your labs in check, but this notion of "more is better", is fucking insane... these people can keep doing 3-4 grams of test with copious amounts of orals all they want but one day judas with come wanting to get his 30 pieces of silver...

 

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WELL SAID

WELL SAID neils.. i personly wasen't pionting blame anywhere(if referance was intended for me).. the fact's are the fact''s....some times the truth hurts WE ALL DO DRUG'S.. can you say aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaapple

cj----out

the flame is stoked ..time to step back and watch...opp's forgot where i was(save that for the other board's)
B.T.W. no disrespect BN this thread SHOULD BE ABOUT WISHING YOU WELL & WHAT'S DONE IS DONE