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My "Too Big For Classic" Offseason Log

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I'll start off with a little introduction and an overview of my starting point for this log.

I've recently finished my 2019 contest season, doing 3 shows where I competed in Classic Physique division, as well trying my hand in the Open Bodybuilding in the last show.

I ended up taking the overall in Bodybuilding which is when coach Andrew Berry and I decided to take some time off to really grow and become competitive in bodybuilding as bringing my weight to the cutoff for classic was just going to hinder my physique long-term.

Some pics from my last show in June 2019
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=ZV9IRWZURjVON0FwcEtKcThxd0JDWW9jSXo3Szdn


Starting point for this log:
I've JUST come back from a 3 week vacation which consisted of no training, dieting, cardio or supplementation whatsoever. Jumping right back onto my diet from before the trip and will see what happens from here.

Starting weight and pics: 224lbs
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JJ5bX2fwnf1RRni76


Training Day Nutrition:
3403 calories (340p, 354c, 70f)
(1) 2 whole free range eggs, 1.5c egg whites, 1/2c oats, 150g blueberries
(2) 7oz chicken, 100g avocado, 1 cup jasmine rice, 1 clementine
(3) 7oz chicken, 225g potato, 1/2tbsp coconut oil
(4) Pre-Train - 1/3c cream of rice, 2 scoops whey, 1 tbsp nat pb
(INTRA) 25g carbs, 15g EAA, 5g leucine, 5g creatine, 6g citrulline malate
(5): 2 scoops whey isolate, 75g carbs from rice crispies
(6): 5oz grass fed beef (drained and washed), 2 slice fat free cheese, 2 slices low fat pita



Rest Day Nutrition:
3073 calories (336p, 258c, 78f)
(1) 2 whole free range eggs, 1.5c egg whites, 1/2c oats, 150g blueberries
(2) 7oz chicken, 100g avocado, 1 cup jasmine rice,
(3) 7oz chicken, 200g potato, 1/2tbsp coconut oil
(4) 1/2c oats, 2 scoops whey, 1tbsp nat pb, 1 clementine
(5) 6oz chicken, 3/4c jasmine rice, 1tbsp pb, 1 cup greens
(6): 5oz grass fed beef (drained and washed), 2 slice fat free cheese, 2 slices low fat pita



Cardio: 20m fasted except on leg days

Gear: starting on 250mg test-e a week and 4iu hgh daily

Supplements: there's a shit ton of health supps here, can post list if people are interested

I'll be sure to keep this log updated with everything we do leading up to whenever I try my hand at a pro qualifier in 2020!
 
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what was your weight this year?

how tall did they measure you each time you competed this year?
 
what was your weight this year?

how tall did they measure you each time you competed this year?

My cutoff was 197lbs at 5'9 and a half. I made weight at 195 after cutting off all food and water Friday morning (weigh ins were Friday 6pm). Shitloaded and reckon I was on stage at about 200lbs.
 
ALRIGHT GUYS
Update time!

Current weight and pics: 226.4lbs
https://photos.app.goo.gl/FjCdzPqKCsZGByBWA

Things have been going good for the past little bit and we have decided to start my offseason cycle now:

Super Supplements:
600mg test a week
600mg EQ a week
300mg NPP a week
4iu HGH post workout
40mg nolva daily
12.5mg aromasin daily


Current Diet (changes bolded):

Training Day Nutrition:
4075 calories (340p, 489c, 85f)


(1) 2 whole free range eggs, 1.5c egg whites, 1c oats, 150g blueberries
(2) 7oz chicken, 15g avocado oil, 1 cup jasmine rice, 1 clementine
(3) 7oz chicken, 15g avocado oil, 1 cup jasmine rice,
(4) Pre-train - 1 rice crispie treat, 1/3c cream of rice, 2 scoops whey, 1 tbsp nat pb
(INTRA) 50g carbs, 15g EAA, 5g leucine, 5g creatine, 6g citrulline malate
(5): 2 scoops whey isolate, 100g carbs from rice crispie treats
(6): 6oz grass fed beef, 2 slice low fat cheese, 2 cup jasmine rice
 
Nice log bro.

This will be my last year in classic too. I’m in the same weight cap as you and it’s a bitch to get down. I was up to 265lbs this last off season.

After nationals in November this will more then likely be my last year in the classic division. Even as a pro 207 weight cap is still limiting.

Saw you mentioned supps for your health.. just curious as to what all you take?


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Nice log bro.

This will be my last year in classic too. I’m in the same weight cap as you and it’s a bitch to get down. I was up to 265lbs this last off season.

After nationals in November this will more then likely be my last year in the classic division. Even as a pro 207 weight cap is still limiting.

Saw you mentioned supps for your health.. just curious as to what all you take?


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As much as it sucks to suck down that hard I do kind of like the fact that it really forces you to come in really tight and in condition...it's just there's really no room to go anywhere from here if I'm looking to make serious improvements. Not to mention I do appreciate the more "artistic" appeal classic has with it's posing. I beleive it adds a depth to things that is missing from the open.

Current health supplements (more in prep)

Upon waking (before fasted cardio)
- 1000mg citrus bergamot
- 1200mg NAC
- 1 pill Rhodiola Rosea
- 500mg ECGC
- 500mg Berberine

After Cardio (before meal 1)
- 2 tbsp Apple Cider Vinegar
- 2 tbsp Organic lemon juice
- 15g Glutamine
- 3g Organic Lions Mane
- 1 scoop Progressive Vegegreens
- 1 scoop Progressive Collagen

With Meal 1
- 4g Krill Oil
- 4 pills Curcumin
- 400mg Coq10
- 4g Astragalus
- 600mg Ashwaghanda
- 500mg Niacin (no flush)
- 1 pill NOW Super Digestive Enzymes
- 5000iu Vitamin D
- 1 pill Vitamin K2
- 1 pill Vitamin B Complex
- 1 pill Vitamin C Complex
- 1 pill Zinc orotate

Preworkout
- 5g creatine monohydrate
- 5g hydromax glycerol
- 5g citrulline malate
- 5g beta alanine
- 300mg Alpha GPC

Intra
- 2 scoop EAA's
- 5g leucine
- HBCD (as needed in diet)
- 5g citrulline

Before Bed
- 500mg Metformin
- 5mg Melatonin
- 1 pill Magnesium Bisglycinate
 
As much as it sucks to suck down that hard I do kind of like the fact that it really forces you to come in really tight and in condition...it's just there's really no room to go anywhere from here if I'm looking to make serious improvements. Not to mention I do appreciate the more "artistic" appeal classic has with it's posing. I beleive it adds a depth to things that is missing from the open.

Current health supplements (more in prep)

Upon waking (before fasted cardio)
- 1000mg citrus bergamot
- 1200mg NAC
- 1 pill Rhodiola Rosea
- 500mg ECGC
- 500mg Berberine

After Cardio (before meal 1)
- 2 tbsp Apple Cider Vinegar
- 2 tbsp Organic lemon juice
- 15g Glutamine
- 3g Organic Lions Mane
- 1 scoop Progressive Vegegreens
- 1 scoop Progressive Collagen

With Meal 1
- 4g Krill Oil
- 4 pills Curcumin
- 400mg Coq10
- 4g Astragalus
- 600mg Ashwaghanda
- 500mg Niacin (no flush)
- 1 pill NOW Super Digestive Enzymes
- 5000iu Vitamin D
- 1 pill Vitamin K2
- 1 pill Vitamin B Complex
- 1 pill Vitamin C Complex
- 1 pill Zinc orotate

Preworkout
- 5g creatine monohydrate
- 5g hydromax glycerol
- 5g citrulline malate
- 5g beta alanine
- 300mg Alpha GPC

Intra
- 2 scoop EAA's
- 5g leucine
- HBCD (as needed in diet)
- 5g citrulline

Before Bed
- 500mg Metformin
- 5mg Melatonin
- 1 pill Magnesium Bisglycinate



I agree with you on the conditioning part. Well said.. however I do think if you’re able to grow into BB, keep you symmetry & lines you can bring that ‘classical’ look to the BB division. So having classic as the base just sets you up to stand out more once you transition to BB. Can pose slightly different and bring a shape that most guys won’t have due to chasing size off the bat and sometimes ruining their shape.

Thank you for sharing.. Nice supp list. I run a lot of the same things. Always like to see what other guys are using, never know when you might pick up a tool or two for the Arsenal




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UPDATE

So this past week I've been feeling extremely sore, sleepy all the time, and my weight is LOWER despite the calorie increase and so we've decided to back off the training to 2 days on, 1 day off.

Also upping the ashwaghanda to 1000mg pre-bed for the next little bit. Really making recovery a priority here.

My fucked up knees are getting better thankfully but are still getting in the way of training big time. I'd say I'm able to go about 40% in the gym on legs which is pretty shitty. My physio guy is saying it's due to a combination of extreme tightness on top of weak glutes and abductors which is causing a lot of compensation issues so I'm working on correcting all that in my training.

Current weight and pics: 226.2lbs
https://photos.app.goo.gl/51hL52JnwBu3iQB27


Training Day Nutrition (changes in red)
4401 calories (340p, 4562c, 87f)

(1) 2 whole free range eggs, 1.5c egg whites, 1c oats, 150g blueberries
(2) 7oz chicken, 15g avocado oil, 1.5 cup jasmine rice, 1 clementine
(3) 7oz chicken, 15g avocado oil, 1.5 cup jasmine rice, 1 clementine
(4) Pre-train - 2 rice crispie treat, 1/3c cream of rice, 2 scoops whey, 1 tbsp nat pb
(INTRA) 50g carbs, 15g EAA, 5g leucine, 5g creatine, 6g citrulline malate
(5): 2 scoops whey isolate, 100g carbs from rice crispie treats
(6): 6oz grass fed beef, 2 slice low fat cheese, 2 cup jasmine rice
 
UPDATE

So this past week I've been feeling extremely sore, sleepy all the time, and my weight is LOWER despite the calorie increase and so we've decided to back off the training to 2 days on, 1 day off.

Also upping the ashwaghanda to 1000mg pre-bed for the next little bit. Really making recovery a priority here.

My fucked up knees are getting better thankfully but are still getting in the way of training big time. I'd say I'm able to go about 40% in the gym on legs which is pretty shitty. My physio guy is saying it's due to a combination of extreme tightness on top of weak glutes and abductors which is causing a lot of compensation issues so I'm working on correcting all that in my training.

Current weight and pics: 226.2lbs
https://photos.app.goo.gl/51hL52JnwBu3iQB27


Training Day Nutrition (changes in red)
4401 calories (340p, 4562c, 87f)

(1) 2 whole free range eggs, 1.5c egg whites, 1c oats, 150g blueberries
(2) 7oz chicken, 15g avocado oil, 1.5 cup jasmine rice, 1 clementine
(3) 7oz chicken, 15g avocado oil, 1.5 cup jasmine rice, 1 clementine
(4) Pre-train - 2 rice crispie treat, 1/3c cream of rice, 2 scoops whey, 1 tbsp nat pb
(INTRA) 50g carbs, 15g EAA, 5g leucine, 5g creatine, 6g citrulline malate
(5): 2 scoops whey isolate, 100g carbs from rice crispie treats
(6): 6oz grass fed beef, 2 slice low fat cheese, 2 cup jasmine rice



Try a JM leg routine; he’s implemented exercise selection and intensity techniques that have much less joint stress.

Arms are looking like they’re coming up!


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Try a JM leg routine; he’s implemented exercise selection and intensity techniques that have much less joint stress.

Arms are looking like they’re coming up!


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I'm already a huge fan of all his training stuff he puts out. Bulgarian split squats are something that I learned from him that are pretty much a staple for me now, absolutely love em.

As for the arms, I find that they don't look too bad in my offseason, but they're usually the first to totally shrink once I start dieting down. If I'm being completely honest, it's probably due to the fact that I just always hated training them. Knowing how much of a weak point they were for me last prep season is definitely making me go a lot harder on them.

Thanks for the feedback and suggestion, much appreciated
 
UPDATE OCT 26th 2019

I know it's been a while since my last update but I ran into some kind of stomach bug that put me back quite a bit. Ended up doing a 40 hour fast, as I wasn't able to get any food down anyways so figured I'd try and see how a long-term fast would make me feel.

Back at it now though.

Upper body training is going well, but my knees are BEYOND fucked. Can't do 20lb leg extensions without getting sharp shooting pain in my knees so I'm really getting the ball rolling on rehab work. I need these legs to really come up.


Current weight: 230lbs
Current pics: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Mkn35EYXV28WrH8dA

I've made a lot of diet changes here. We lowered fats because it really killed my appetite having them that high, and swapped a lot of food sources for things easier and quicker to get down.

Total Calories: 4196
335g protein
575g carbs
62g fats

M1: 2 whole egg, 1.5 cup egg whites, 100g carbs from english muffins
M2: 7oz chicken, 7g avocado oil, 1.5 cup rice, 2 clementine
M3: 6oz beef, 1.5cup jasmine rice, 2 clementine
M4 (pre-train): 60g cream of rice, 2 scoop whey, 1 tbsp natty pb
M5 (intra): 50g carbs, 2 scoop EAA, 5g creatine, 5g citrulline, 5g leucine
M6 (post): 2 scoop whey, 100g carbs from cereal, almond milk
M7: 1 cup greek yogurt, 1 scoop whey, 50g low fat granola, 150g blueberries
 
What caused the knee issues? Heavy training? Past injuries?


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