That's a really tough one. If I made a little more money I would be using Folli and ACE occasionally. I had a sponser give me 5mg of Folli and 10mg of ACE. I did 3mg Follli the first week and 5mg of ACE. 2mg of Folli and 5mg of ACE the second week. The results were freaky. Ive been training for a very long time and I stay in really good shape. In two weeks I looked like a whole different level. I was hard and dense like I had never been before and my strength which is very consistent and rather poor became really impressive. I gained something like 4lbs in 2 weeks. The stuff works. It is just expensive and if you don't use an adequate dose it does nothing. Ive promised myself that once I get the new position I applied for I am going to do 3mg of Folli and 5 mg ACE for 3 weeks straight and so a daily log with pictures. Its a lot of money I understand, but the gains I made in two weeks were nothing I had ever experienced. I kept that condition and kept making progress for two weeks after I stopped. I ended up keeping a couple pounds.