Nathan De Asha - 19 years straight on TREN(honest video)

[IFBBProDomCardone]

Idk....Id like to say the transparency is good but I cant. With how times are with EVERYONE using drugs, most of whom who have no business touching them. This will only fuel the younger guys to juice their brains out with zero care for health or any knowledge, which is majority of people. The transparency of steroids has only lead to glorification of steroids and leading many down a wrong path. It's only a matter of time till we see more heart, kidney, mental issues. Dont get me wrong, I loved using the stuff myself lol. But this aint for everyone...and yes steroids can shorten your life. All videos like this do is fuel people to justify nonsense use of PEDS.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

I’ll never forget what Milos told me years ago- if you want to win a pro card and compete as a pro and win you’ll need to use tren to some degree year round. That doesn’t mean 600mg year round lol or all weeks. Or that it won’t take supplements, peptides and meds to offset.

But the further I get in this sport and my own experience, I really think there may be some truth to that. I’m sure the genetic elite and responders may be the exception, but I’d venture to say (and know) most guys are more like Nathan. Really love his transparency.

I remember Matt Porter had a similar thought too. He basically talked about body types though, saying that if you didnt happen to be that waspy mesomorph BORN to be a BBer, that some sort of variation of "year round tren" was needed to become a pro.

 

[traininsane11]

Fiiiiiiine I’ll use tren

Reading this thread is all the reasoning I need to add it in

 

[luki7788]

I remember Matt Porter had a similar thought too. He basically talked about body types though, saying that if you didnt happen to be that waspy mesomorph BORN to be a BBer, that some sort of variation of "year round tren" was needed to become a pro.

Well... I've written many times that I actually gained most of my muscle thanks to trenbolone.

In reality, trenbolone was something I used for 8-9 months a year with short breaks in between for the first 14-15 years of my steroid use.

Now I see that I don't need it at all to maintain my size, but I would definitely look much better if I used it. Therefore, now that I'm fully recovered, I don't think I'd decide to use it more often than once a year for a maximum of 6 weeks at a dose of 150-250mg, which used to be a dose I would have said was pointless, lol.

 

[Shelby]

Not that my experience means much, but it's one data point, I suppose.
I only used tren once in the offseason (for 6 weeks, 75mg EOD). All other years it was just the last 8 weeks precontest (75mg EOD then 75mg ED the final week).
One year I did 5 shows though, spread over 9 months, so that was a lot of tren use. All the other years it was just one show a year, so 8 weeks on tren.

 

[Shelby]

Also worth noting that continuous tren use might have diminished Nathan's math capacities.

 

[Fleezy]

Nathan's math capacities.

such as they were

 

[kadafi2]

I remember Matt Porter had a similar thought too. He basically talked about body types though, saying that if you didnt happen to be that waspy mesomorph BORN to be a BBer, that some sort of variation of "year round tren" was needed to become a pro.

I’ll never forget what Milos told me years ago- if you want to win a pro card and compete as a pro and win you’ll need to use tren to some degree year round. That doesn’t mean 600mg year round lol or all weeks. Or that it won’t take supplements, peptides and meds to offset.

But the further I get in this sport and my own experience, I really think there may be some truth to that. I’m sure the genetic elite and responders may be the exception, but I’d venture to say (and know) most guys are more like Nathan. Really love his transparency.

Now, after all these years, we can laugh, but GH15 also wrote about it, something like: "if you have terrible genetics, trenbolone is the only drug that will make you resemble a bodybuilder"

 

[bbxtreme]

Now, after all these years, we can laugh, but GH15 also wrote about it, something like: "if you have terrible genetics, trenbolone is the only drug that will make you resemble a bodybuilder"

lol yeah, but to clarify and not mislead off my post above- I don’t go over 200mg these days a week or think it’s needed. I also have multiple tren threads on here about how to “try” and protect your health and heart while using it.

As @IFBBProDomCardone said, transparency is good, but in these cases all young kids see is “blast tren” and not how you need multiple supps and meds to try and protect your health while doing it. We all have to pay the piper for our choices in life.

 

[Sectør]

Now, after all these years, we can laugh, but GH15 also wrote about it, something like: "if you have terrible genetics, trenbolone is the only drug that will make you resemble a bodybuilder"

Not saying I agree with everything he said, there’s a lot I don’t agree with, but he did have a lot of useful information and insight for what was available at the time. I learned on lot on that board

The dosage recommendations were just a little bonkers. There was people pushing 1.4g-2.1g tren/week on the forum

 

[traininsane11]

Not saying I agree with everything he said, there’s a lot I don’t agree with, but he did have a lot of useful information and insight for what was available at the time. I learned on lot on that board

The dosage recommendations were just a little bonkers. There was people pushing 1.4g-2.1g tren/week on the forum

 

[Sectør]

Yeah I’ve pushed it hard in the 1,050-1400 range/week when I was younger and more reckless a few weeks before powerlifting comps.

You’re just holding on for the ride. Would not recommend it.

 

[nothuman]

Idk....Id like to say the transparency is good but I cant. With how times are with EVERYONE using drugs, most of whom who have no business touching them. This will only fuel the younger guys to juice their brains out with zero care for health or any knowledge, which is majority of people. The transparency of steroids has only lead to glorification of steroids and leading many down a wrong path. It's only a matter of time till we see more heart, kidney, mental issues. Dont get me wrong, I loved using the stuff myself lol. But this aint for everyone...and yes steroids can shorten your life. All videos like this do is fuel people to justify nonsense use of PEDS.

You are probably right that people will watch that and decide to use tren for prolonged periods of time.

However, I still believe it is ultimately the responsibility of the user who chooses to copy him if something bad were to happen as a result

I blame myself for reckless cycles of the past because ultimately, I chose to do that. I can’t hold Nathan responsible for what others decide to do, especially since he isn’t giving advice. He’s only stating what he has done himself.

 

[primobolan]

The flip side to complete transparency is unfortunately 700mg of test with a sprinkle of primo and I am an open class pro . TikTok influencers have more to do with kids and tren than any IFBB Pro ever will. 99% of the younger generation have no idea who Nathan is and never will but 99% know who the Tren Twins are and whoever else juices for the likes, clicks, followers or whatever the hell is the current thing that is in their age demographic.

 

[mexbeast]

Tyrosine will get your dopamine back up. I usually suggest guys add it a week or two before coming off to make it a smooth transition.

Yes this works, you forgot to give dosage recommendations, i was taking 1.5 to 3gs first thing in the morning on empty stomach!

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

You are probably right that people will watch that and decide to use tren for prolonged periods of time.

However, I still believe it is ultimately the responsibility of the user who chooses to copy him if something bad were to happen as a result

I blame myself for reckless cycles of the past because ultimately, I chose to do that. I can’t hold Nathan responsible for what others decide to do, especially since he isn’t giving advice. He’s only stating what he has done himself.

I don’t disagree it’s always the users responsibility, without a doubt! No one is forcing them to do anything with these videos, but… unfortunately most of society can’t think for themselves.

We can’t blame whoever posts anything of the sort. I do wish none of this ever became popular on the internet as I just don’t want to see people potentially destroy or shorten their lives, for pretty much nothing.

 

[nothuman]

I don’t disagree it’s always the users responsibility, without a doubt! No one is forcing them to do anything with these videos, but… unfortunately most of society can’t think for themselves.

We can’t blame whoever posts anything of the sort. I do wish none of this ever became popular on the internet as I just don’t want to see people potentially destroy or shorten their lives, for pretty much nothing.

That is valid. On the flip side, before all the transparency of pros/competitors, people on the internet would make all kinds of claims about all pros being on insane dosages, which led to a lot of abuse by regular gym rats. Now that competitors are sharing their cycles/dosages and they’re generally not as high as all the internet claims used to be, I think it has led to guys using more modest amounts of gear (I think). It kind of depends on we want to look at it.

 

[silvaback]

i didnt know nathan was part asian

 

[buck]

I have no issues with Darwin's Theory being proven true.

 

[hawkmoon]

Idk....Id like to say the transparency is good but I cant. With how times are with EVERYONE using drugs, most of whom who have no business touching them. This will only fuel the younger guys to juice their brains out with zero care for health or any knowledge, which is majority of people. The transparency of steroids has only lead to glorification of steroids and leading many down a wrong path. It's only a matter of time till we see more heart, kidney, mental issues. Dont get me wrong, I loved using the stuff myself lol. But this aint for everyone...and yes steroids can shorten your life. All videos like this do is fuel people to justify nonsense use of PEDS.

I have to admit I feel the same way. It sounds like gatekeeping or being preachy, but I do miss the days when people were a bit more private about their use. If I am asked I'm honest, but I don't speak of it for entertainment.

Social media has fueled the change as nothing gets more clicks than a trenbolone video. Openness has passed through permissiveness to promotion to abuse with abandon. It's over-normalized now.