Need help with my thryoid

[nothuman]

Have you considered NDT ( natural dessicated thyroid ) I've been using it for the past five years and it seems to work far better than t4 / t3 combos.

Yes I sure am. NDT is what I hope to walk away with a prescription of this week. Otherwise, I'll pay premium for a thyroid specialist who will work with me on that.

 

[totalrecomp]

What do manufacturers of pharma Testosterone recommend for the injection frequency, every 2 weeks? Clearly that is far from optimal, yet it is what they 'recommend'.

Pharma firms create recommendations not to optimize the drugs' efficacy and safety, but to make taking the drug as convenient as possible for patients, while still getting a satisfactory effect. Why do they do that? Because their incentive is to sell as many products as possible. If patient compliance is unlikely, doctors won't prescribe it.

There must really be solid evidence from RCTs about the superiority of a certain dosing scheme for pharma manufacturers to adopt it. In the case of T3, there is a lack of such evidence. This is also why T3 is very rarely used by doctors to treat hypothyroidism: there are no large, reliable studies showing that it is as effective and safe as T4 therapy.

Pharma also tells me to toss my script TC 10ml bottle after one month of being open and I believe they issue similar recommendations for insulin vials. Now for insulin perhaps if a diabetic is carting it around unrefrigerated all day every day then a month is realistic but if kept cool no way you need to toss it after a month. Either way, take official recommendations with a grain of salt and do your own research.

As to dosing thyroid meds my wife has no thyroid due to previous cancer and removal. She takes her thyroid every morning empty stomach but has coffee either before or after everyday. We drink black with stevia/sacchrine. I can say with some confidence that coffee does NOT reduce her medications effectiveness as she used to take a much higher dose prior to drinking coffee with me every morning. She now takes 88mcg vs the previous 112mcg and her levels are healthy. She will be adding back in the T3 at 5mcg(the endo took it away as we were trying to conceive and the endo said the research was lacking on T3 and pregnancy.)

 

[DaveWS2]

Taking 100mcg split into two doses 12hr apart, feel no lethargy from it. Iirc prior to starting T3, levels were high 3’s but I think GH has something to do with that.

 

[nothuman]

As to dosing thyroid meds my wife has no thyroid due to previous cancer and removal. She takes her thyroid every morning empty stomach but has coffee either before or after everyday. We drink black with stevia/sacchrine. I can say with some confidence that coffee does NOT reduce her medications effectiveness as she used to take a much higher dose prior to drinking coffee with me every morning. She now takes 88mcg vs the previous 112mcg and her levels are healthy. She will be adding back in the T3 at 5mcg(the endo took it away as we were trying to conceive and the endo said the research was lacking on T3 and pregnancy.)

Good to know. I've been deathly afraid to start sipping my black coffee before an hour goes by after taking my morning T3. Who knows if I will even continue taking T3 after I get my labs. No longer feeling any better from the medication so something needs to be changed in order for me to feel like a normal human being again.

 

[nothuman]

Taking 100mcg split into two doses 12hr apart, feel no lethargy from it. Iirc prior to starting T3, levels were high 3’s but I think GH has something to do with that.

Have you had labs after taking T3 or only before?

 

[mike036]

Nothuman, do you have any updates? Are you still taking t3/t4? I have been dealing with my own thyroid issues the past few months. I was diagnosed with hypothyroid a couple of months ago. I am prescribed 50mcg/day t4 and have more bloodwork coming in the next week or so. My doc started me at 25mcg which didn’t do much for my free t4 so after 7 weeks upped my dose to 50mcg. I have been on this dose for about 6 weeks now and still feel a little lethargic. I am sure my dose will have to be increased once my bloodwork is done next week. Hope you are doing better.

 

[MyoRN]

I am hypothyroid due to radiation that zapped some cancer away but destroyed my thyroid at the same time. I prefer NDT Armour but some doctors don’t like to prescribe it. They say it’s not accurately dosed. All I know is I feel better when taking that than T4 alone.

Here is a good website that talks about NDT and thyroid issues.

Stop the Thyroid Madness™ - Hypothyroidism and thyroid mistreatment

Thyroid mistreatment using T4 medicine, the TSH lab test, and Hashimoto's or hypothyroidism mismanagement are too common. Find out the truth about this ongoing scandal.

stopthethyroidmadness.com

 

[scoobysnacks]

THE PROBLEM with thyroid meds is that its masking the usual problem which is you are not providing the thyroid with the proper iodine, selenium etc and so forth. all these things are very deplete in our limited diets and the fact the soil just sucks anymore. I know i own the company but just try our thyroboost first. it has all the minerals the thyroid needs for proper t4 to t3 conversion and has glandulars. SO its a 1-2 punch. My TSH was 3.8 ive brought it down to 1.25 and my FT3 is around 3.8 on a 4.3 scale. Thats with 1 cap. You can use 2 if you need.

Most of the times i see thyroid meds work, then they stop, then the dr just adds more, then that stops working over time as well.

Try giving the actual things the thyroid needs to be healthy and see if that works first.

You can get it here: https://scoobyprep.com/products/thyro-boost?_pos=1&_sid=85f7aaf48&_ss=r

I have no idea if i can do that with board rules etc, but its the proper place to start before throwing RX at it that will stop working over time anways.

 

[MyoRN]

Duplicate post......sorry please delete.

 

[Deleted member 121863]

I talked with nothuman last week and he is doing well. No other real updates.

 

[w8tlifterty]

I've had high tsh for years. Relatively normal T4, etc. Have yet to test for antibodies. Last 2 years or so fatigue in the afternoons set in hard and sometimes mid day. My eye lashes literally dissapeared (outer 1/3rd atleast). Typical signs of hypothyroidism. Cholesterol is also fucked despite a very clean diet. My doc is difficult to say the least and says there is nothing wrong and the lab usually test high?

About 3 months ago I added in 12.5 t3, empty stomach around 3-4am. I dont use anything other than trt (5 years or so now) and gh at 1-2iu 6 days a week for the last 1.5 years. I cant begin to say how much different I feel. No more fatigue or fog. I cant believe how much better I feel to be honest. Nothing else has changed and I'm in a particularly stressful environment but this has made a huge difference for me personally.

I certainly don't recommend self medicating but my doctor is a dick and I haven't made the effort to switch. I have bloodwork coming end of January so we'll see where things sit. He knows I do my own trt so if I have gotten tsh down w the T3 supplementation then I'll speak to him about that. I'd also like to see if its effected my cholesterol numbers along w some diet changes I've made.

Just my experience.

 

[mike036]

I've had high tsh for years. Relatively normal T4, etc. Have yet to test for antibodies. Last 2 years or so fatigue in the afternoons set in hard and sometimes mid day. My eye lashes literally dissapeared (outer 1/3rd atleast). Typical signs of hypothyroidism. Cholesterol is also fucked despite a very clean diet. My doc is difficult to say the least and says there is nothing wrong and the lab usually test high?

About 3 months ago I added in 12.5 t3, empty stomach around 3-4am. I dont use anything other than trt (5 years or so now) and gh at 1-2iu 6 days a week for the last 1.5 years. I cant begin to say how much different I feel. No more fatigue or fog. I cant believe how much better I feel to be honest. Nothing else has changed and I'm in a particularly stressful environment but this has made a huge difference for me personally.

I certainly don't recommend self medicating but my doctor is a dick and I haven't made the effort to switch. I have bloodwork coming end of January so we'll see where things sit. He knows I do my own trt so if I have gotten tsh down w the T3 supplementation then I'll speak to him about that. I'd also like to see if its effected my cholesterol numbers along w some diet changes I've made.

Just my experience.

It’s too bad you have to self medicate. Some doctors are just ridiculous. You really should find a new doctor. That’s great that you feel much better with the meds. I believe earlier on in this thread “my name is Jeff” stated that taking t3 alone isn’t the most ideal way to treat thyroid issues. I’ll have to skim through it again but if you get a chance read the whole thread from the beginning. Best of luck to you. I just did bloodwork on Friday and I am waiting on my results. I’ll post up when I receive them.

 

[muscle96ss]

It’s too bad you have to self medicate. Some doctors are just ridiculous. You really should find a new doctor. That’s great that you feel much better with the meds. I believe earlier on in this thread “my name is Jeff” stated that taking t3 alone isn’t the most ideal way to treat thyroid issues. I’ll have to skim through it again but if you get a chance read the whole thread from the beginning. Best of luck to you. I just did bloodwork on Friday and I am waiting on my results. I’ll post up when I receive them.

Many people that take only T4 see a significant difference when adding a small amount of T3. T3 is the active component of thyroid and for some reason some people don't have good conversion from T4 to T3 for various reasons. Actually using a bioidentical combination like Armour thyroid, Naturethroid, or a compounded formula that contains a combination of T4 and T3 is best but most normal doctors are ignorant to treating thyroid disorders and simply prescribe T4. Also, there are other things that can happen as well such as thyroid antibodies or improper conversion of T4 to the mirror image of T3(reverse T3) which is why it is important when doing thyroid bloodwork to check TSH, free T4, free T3, reverse T3 and thyroid antibodies.

 

[deadliftsquates]

Hey guys I was hoping to get some help. I kno why my t3 is high but why the t4? I was diagnosed with low thyroid years ago have been off and on Synthroid and armour thyroid. For the past year, its been armour and I was taking 4 - 60 microgram tabs around 6 am. Anyway I go get blood work done and this


Triiodothyronine (T-3), Serum - 277

Free T3- 6.9

Free T4 by Dialysis/Mass Spec - .72

And no ranges were given just high and low done by labcorp. I have since switched to 2 tabs twice a day The half-life is short with armour.
Thanks

 

[deadliftsquates]

The exogenous T3 and T4 will lower your TSH secretion and thereby endogenous T4 production.
The ratio of T4 to T3 secretion by the human thyroid gland under physiological conditions, is close to 13:1. So if you take a medication with a thyroid mix of 4:1, you are unlikely to end up with a high T4 and normal T3 levels. Quite the contrary. Naively one would expect T3 might be high-normal and T4 low when taking a 4:1 mix. Though in practice this would be alleviated by reduced T4 to T3 conversion so that most likely you will end up with high-normal T3 and normal T4 levels.

Take the above with a grain of salt though, I'm not too familiar with the literature.

"Quite the contrary. Naively one would expect T3 might be high-normal and T4 low when taking a 4:1 mix. Though in practice this would be alleviated by reduced T4 to T3 conversion so that most likely you will end up with high-normal T3 and normal T4 levels".

These are my recent results

Triiodothyronine (T-3), Serum - 277 High

Free T3- 6.9 High

Free T4 by Dialysis/Mass Spec - .72 Low

And no ranges were given just high and low done by labcorp

 

[MyNameIsJeff]

Taking twice daily is a good idea given the short half-life of T3. However, the low T4 cannot be down to timing due to its much longer half-life. I would guess that your body converts T4 at a very high rate. What your doctor could try is to lower the dose of the armour thyroid to, say, 3 tabs, and to add in 50-75mcg of T4 on top.

Although no change may be needed as long a you feel good and have no symptoms of either hypo or hyperthyroidism.

 

[deadliftsquates]

Thanks man named Jeff.

 

[nothuman]

Nothuman, do you have any updates? Are you still taking t3/t4? I have been dealing with my own thyroid issues the past few months. I was diagnosed with hypothyroid a couple of months ago. I am prescribed 50mcg/day t4 and have more bloodwork coming in the next week or so. My doc started me at 25mcg which didn’t do much for my free t4 so after 7 weeks upped my dose to 50mcg. I have been on this dose for about 6 weeks now and still feel a little lethargic. I am sure my dose will have to be increased once my bloodwork is done next week. Hope you are doing better.

Sorry I haven't posted here in a long time. I'm still an utter mess going from one bad doctor after another. The latest one prescribed me T3 only, which I kind of agreed with given my lab numbers, but only prescribed 10mcg. This has lowered my body temperature, which was already low (good indicator of hypothyroidism). I think I probably need 50-100mcg realistically to give myself a fighting chance.

Oh, and my cortisol is also very low, which is the main cause of my symptoms I believe. A 4 point saliva test confirmed this. I'm taking a ton of adrenal glandular now. I am calling my doctor today to see if he will bump my T3 dose dramatically but I just had to order liquid T3 in the meantime in case he doesn't. I also ordered tabs but those will take 2-4 weeks since it's from overseas (if anyone knows a faster shipping source of T3 tabs, please let me know). I spend every day wondering if I will ever get my life back.

 

[mike036]

Sorry I haven't posted here in a long time. I'm still an utter mess going from one bad doctor after another. The latest one prescribed me T3 only, which I kind of agreed with given my lab numbers, but only prescribed 10mcg. This has lowered my body temperature, which was already low (good indicator of hypothyroidism). I think I probably need 50-100mcg realistically to give myself a fighting chance.

Oh, and my cortisol is also very low, which is the main cause of my symptoms I believe. A 4 point saliva test confirmed this. I'm taking a ton of adrenal glandular now. I am calling my doctor today to see if he will bump my T3 dose dramatically but I just had to order liquid T3 in the meantime in case he doesn't. I also ordered tabs but those will take 2-4 weeks since it's from overseas (if anyone knows a faster shipping source of T3 tabs, please let me know). I spend every day wondering if I will ever get my life back.

I was hoping to hear that you were feeling better. I guess with time you and your doc will get it worked out. My labs came back, these numbers are me using 50mcg/day of T4. I do feel much better than I did 3 months ago but I am not 100% Also my RBC is pretty damn high. I am using 500mg Sust and 500mg deca a week . Time to take a beak. This is the highest my RBC has ever been.

 

[nothuman]

I was hoping to hear that you were feeling better. I guess with time you and your doc will get it worked out. My labs came back, these numbers are me using 50mcg/day of T4. I do feel much better than I did 3 months ago but I am not 100% Also my RBC is pretty damn high. I am using 500mg Sust and 500mg deca a week . Time to take a beak. This is the highest my RBC has ever been.

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I kind of stopped posting here because I want to address my cortisol and thyroid problems, which could take a long time.

I hope he tested your free T3 (ideally also reverse T3 but I doubt he did). If he didn't, he's pretty incompetent to think it's not important enough to test. Free T3 is the gas that gets our engines going. I am deficient in FT3 so that's partly why I feel like crap and my cortisol deficiency is preventing my T4 to convert into T3.

Sorry about the high RBC. Hopefully you have no other risk factors for clots.