NEGATIVES

[HONGOGRIMES]

What do you think of the heavy negatives? (For example, another day a friend of the gym came down on the smith machine slowly and I raised his positive, the weight he used was a weight that did not reach a full rep). Do any of you always use them? I can be wrong but I think I read at the time that Emeric delzag used them and that phil hernon also use.

 

[emeric delczeg]

What do you think of the heavy negatives? (For example, another day a friend of the gym came down on the smith machine slowly and I raised his positive, the weight he used was a weight that did not reach a full rep). Do any of you always use them? I can be wrong but I think I read at the time that Emeric delzag used them and that phil hernon also use.

It is my favorite way to train.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgX4UymgCDo&t=2s"]Jim Chelossi's Pre-Bootcamp.com: arm training using Emeric Delczeg's system - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PE4NYEjgJQ&t=3s"]Jim Chelossi's Pre-Bootcamp.com: bench training using Emeric Delczeg's system - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLiNvQUXS4"]Delczeg Training System - Squats - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Dens228]

I wouldn't want to be the spotter for a negatives only set.

 

[maldorf]

I think Emeric's method there is optimal and I wish I could have trained like that. Just so hard to find two guys to train with and spot like that.

The human body is much stronger in the negative portion of the movement, I think something in the magnitude of 30% more. Id prefer training like this to doing nothing but negatives and it is safer.

The keiser machines I use now use cylinders packed with air for resistance. When you reach the end part of the movement the gas is compressed the most and provides the most resistance. So during the movement the resistance changes. It is good because there is more resistance at the part of the movement where you are strongest, but it doesn't give more resistance during the negative like Emeric's method.

 

[BEASTZ6]

I think Emeric's method there is optimal and I wish I could have trained like that. Just so hard to find two guys to train with and spot like that.

The human body is much stronger in the negative portion of the movement, I think something in the magnitude of 30% more. Id prefer training like this to doing nothing but negatives and it is safer.

The keiser machines I use now use cylinders packed with air for resistance. When you reach the end part of the movement the gas is compressed the most and provides the most resistance. So during the movement the resistance changes. It is good because there is more resistance at the part of the movement where you are strongest, but it doesn't give more resistance during the negative like Emeric's method.

^^^^ I used to love using the Keiser machines. Especially the lat machine. I don't see them in gyms anymore.

 

[HONGOGRIMES]

I think Emeric's method there is optimal and I wish I could have trained like that. Just so hard to find two guys to train with and spot like that.

The human body is much stronger in the negative portion of the movement, I think something in the magnitude of 30% more. Id prefer training like this to doing nothing but negatives and it is safer.

The keiser machines I use now use cylinders packed with air for resistance. When you reach the end part of the movement the gas is compressed the most and provides the most resistance. So during the movement the resistance changes. It is good because there is more resistance at the part of the movement where you are strongest, but it doesn't give more resistance during the negative like Emeric's method.

CLEAR, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A SPOT (DIFFERENT SCHEDULES, PERSONAL LIFE ETC.) AND 2 IS VERY COMPLICATED, BUT ANOTHER STRATEGY THAT I THINK WITH MY FRIEND IS: MAKES PRESSURE IN THE NEGATIVE AND LET ME MAKE THE POSITIVE ONLY TO HIM.
WHAT I DID THE OTHER DAY WAS HELP HIM IN THE POSITIVE PHASE AND LEAVE IT ONLY IN THE NEGATIVE. ONE SET FOR BODY PART I THINK IT CAN BE GOOD EVEN IF IT WOULD ONLY FOR A FEW WEEKS

 

[Durro]

Some years back I was doing negatives on incline, decline & regular bench press and didn’t realize it. My training partner said “you do lots of negatives from time to time”. Then I remembered back in the early 90s when I was a teen and the brother of a friend of mine had a girlfriend, and her dad had a nice gym setup in his garage that was off to the side of his house. He let us train there and I remember him telling us “if you want to make the exercise hard go slow on the way down”. That stuck with me and sometimes I catch myself doing it and I don’t realize it. It’s just instinct or habit. I say yes to negatives, it’s a very good principal to use.


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[Dens228]

Some years back I was doing negatives on incline, decline & regular bench press and didn’t realize it. My training partner said “you do lots of negatives from time to time”. Then I remembered back in the early 90s when I was a teen and the brother of a friend of mine had a girlfriend, and her dad had a nice gym setup in his garage that was off to the side of his house. He let us train there and I remember him telling us “if you want to make the exercise hard go slow on the way down”. That stuck with me and sometimes I catch myself doing it and I don’t realize it. It’s just instinct or habit. I say yes to negatives, it’s a very good principal to use.


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Were you doing actual negatives or just slow on the eccentric portion??

 

[maldorf]

CLEAR, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A SPOT (DIFFERENT SCHEDULES, PERSONAL LIFE ETC.) AND 2 IS VERY COMPLICATED, BUT ANOTHER STRATEGY THAT I THINK WITH MY FRIEND IS: MAKES PRESSURE IN THE NEGATIVE AND LET ME MAKE THE POSITIVE ONLY TO HIM.
WHAT I DID THE OTHER DAY WAS HELP HIM IN THE POSITIVE PHASE AND LEAVE IT ONLY IN THE NEGATIVE. ONE SET FOR BODY PART I THINK IT CAN BE GOOD EVEN IF IT WOULD ONLY FOR A FEW WEEKS

That would certainly work as well. That way you only need one person to help. Good thinking on your part.

 

[maldorf]

Were you doing actual negatives or just slow on the eccentric portion??

right. They are different things. A true negative is going to involve you using a weight that is about 30% heavier than you usually lift and doing only the eccentric part of the movement. You have someone really help lift the weight on the concentric part.

 

[Dens228]

right. They are different things. A true negative is going to involve you using a weight that is about 30% heavier than you usually lift and doing only the eccentric part of the movement. You have someone really help lift the weight on the concentric part.

Many years ago some guy at a gym I was training at asked for a spot on bench,
he had 315 on the bar, he lowered the first rep and it died at his chest so I helped him up, he literally said, "5 more" and I pulled the bar into the rack saying, "Fuck that". lol Not only did I have no desire to do upright rows with 315, I doubt I could.

 

[Durro]

Were you doing actual negatives or just slow on the eccentric portion??

right. They are different things. A true negative is going to involve you using a weight that is about 30% heavier than you usually lift and doing only the eccentric part of the movement. You have someone really help lift the weight on the concentric part.

Yes excuse me, I was just going slow on the eccentric not doing negatives. But it does increase the intensity of the movement if you need something different.


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[brutus69]

actual studies done, and parsed on stronger by science, show slow negatives are pointless.
but when i would do them i'd notice better strength gains week to week.