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New Harsher Sentencing guidelines on the Horizon for AAs users.

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Don't know if this was posted yet but here ya go...I am so glad I am retired from the game...damn....
"The U.S. Sentencing Commission has published notice of temporary "emergency" (i.e., immediate) amendments to the federal anabolic steroid sentencing guidelines. Henceforth, injectable and oral steroids will be quantified for punishment in a 1:1 ratio to other Schedule III drugs, resulting in a twenty-fold measurement increase for injectable steroid units and a fifty-fold increase for oral steroid units. One "unit" of an oral steroid is now one pill, tablet or capsule. One "unit of a liquid steroid is now 0.5ml. Steroids in other forms ("e.g., patch, topical cream, aerosol") will be reasonably estimated based on a consideration of 25mg as one unit. Additionally, sentencing enhancements will apply in cases involving distribution to "athletes" or where coaches use their positions to influence athletes to use steroids, as well as in cases involving "masking agents." While likely to impact dealers more than personal users, the new 1:1 ratio nonetheless ignores fundamental differences between steroid usage and volume patterns as compared to other Schedule III drugs. Other problems with the amendments include the lack of any reference to potency in oral or injectable steroids, potentially leading to black market adaptations to circumvent the amendment (e.g., the creation of high potency "mega-pills"), as well as the lack of any knowledge requirement involving distribution (e.g., via the Internet) to unidentified customers who may turn out to be athletes. It is expected that the revisions will be made permanent by Congress in November. [For further information, see the written testimony of Rick Collins to the Sentencing Commission, the transcript of his appearance before the Commission, the Report of the USSC Steroids Working Group, and the Commission's Notice of Amendment to the guidelines.]"
 
that article says laws will be made permanent by november (actually read this article several months ago). so have they been put forth into place?
 
Yes, unfortunately the emergency amendment became effective March 27 this year.

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well the law hasn't been changed ... just the penalties ... and ignorance of the law isn't really a valid excuse anyway

so basically if you are popped now .. the new guidelines will be applied to you ... federal judges really don't have much wiggle room with sentencing guidelines after a specific supreme court case and two related 2d circuit cases which are generally followed by the other circuits
 
PHIL HERNON said:
DOES IGNORANCE OF THE LAW STILL APPLY WHEN EMERGENCY AMMENDMENTS ARE MADE???

Ignorance is no defence in law. Thats a pretty universal thing. From what i can work it it seems that the UK will soon be following in the footsteps of America with regards tightening legislation on anabolics. At the moment possession in the UK is legal as long as they cannot prove intent to supply. I have real sympathy for you Americans who get so persecuted for this.
 
WHY

glenihan said:
well the law hasn't been changed ... just the penalties ... and ignorance of the law isn't really a valid excuse anyway

so basically if you are popped now .. the new guidelines will be applied to you ... federal judges really don't have much wiggle room with sentencing guidelines after a specific supreme court case and two related 2d circuit cases which are generally followed by the other circuits


HAS ANYONE ASKED WHY IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NOT A VALID EXCUSE? ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE UPDATED EVERYTIME THE LAW CHANGES? CAN ANYONE BESIDES DEFENSE ATTNYS. TELL ME THAT THEY KNOW THE LAW ON DRUG SALES/USE?
 
the best answer i can give you is that if ignorance was an excuse what would stop everyone from turning a blind eye to the law and willfully not learning what is and what isn't legal
 
nauseas

man i feel so much safer now that they icreased the penalties to yet another VICTIMLESS crime.lock up all the people who choose to be healthy and maintain physical health.what now?big angry men looking at us wrong,"i think their domestic terrorist:eek: :rolleyes: . give me a break!!!:mad: peaches(bush)is just mad because he was a cheerleader and they wouldn't let him wear a skirt:D what the next thing he's going to fuck up?

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MT said:
Ignorance is no defence in law. Thats a pretty universal thing. From what i can work it it seems that the UK will soon be following in the footsteps of America with regards tightening legislation on anabolics. At the moment possession in the UK is legal as long as they cannot prove intent to supply. I have real sympathy for you Americans who get so persecuted for this.
 
does anyone find it interesting as just drug laws across the board become stiffer and stiffer useage continues to increase and increase. do our lawmakers ever look at this and question the angle there taking? billions in taxpayer money is being used to fund the "war on drugs" where is it getting us besides over-crowded jails.
 
Assuming 'ignorance of the law' is pretending to not know what the new laws are, well that would be very easy then :D

I do not know the exact rules in the US but here in Belgium we are supposed to check the 'law-website' frequently to be up to date, it's our duty as citizens

Not that many people do so but thats the idea :D
 
edge250 said:
does anyone find it interesting as just drug laws across the board become stiffer and stiffer useage continues to increase and increase. do our lawmakers ever look at this and question the angle there taking? billions in taxpayer money is being used to fund the "war on drugs" where is it getting us besides over-crowded jails.
and the attorney's fees go up as well with the stiffer penalties.
 
ya i was on federal jury duty for 13 weeks and when i was on lunch iwas reading this,they had it posted outside the courtrooms and it went into action in march.
 
glenihan said:
the best answer i can give you is that if ignorance was an excuse what would stop everyone from turning a blind eye to the law and willfully not learning what is and what isn't legal

I think it's pretty clear that murdering someone is a crime, but killing someone in defense of your own life isn't.

Likewise, willfully selling roids to kids and athletes is a crime, but personal use isn't hurting anyone.

These are a bunch of bullshit laws purported by the pharmaceutical industry attempting to take back control of the chemicals they want to sell for $10 a pill when all this shit is availble for pennies a pill.

It's all about the money, don't be fooled. Has nothing at all to do with health. If it really had to do with health, they'd switch cars from burning oil fuel to natural fuels and alternative energies, but the money is in the oil, so we all pay up the ass.

Soon some supplements will be banned - oh wait, that already has happened in the past couple of years. I wonder how soon it's going to be before protein powder is controlled...
 
fuck the gov.

this is jus fuckin stupid... i mean no matter what ppl r still gna use juice and we r still gna be able to get it one way or another...all its gna do is jack up the price bc its that much harder to get and stiffer laws if we get popped....so this means that the "real" drug dealer/users all are goin to start selling juice bc they ALWAYS go where the money is.....and to top it off juice is not a fuckin drug...i hate all these stupid ass laws bc they r total bullshit and jus a way for the faggot ass gov to get money....they try to crack down on roid usesage but how many ppl do u know that go to rehab for juice?!?! i mean i know alot of ppl that go for coke crack meth X ect. why not crack down on that shit?...even the ppl that make the damn laws no they r bullshit and pointless...i mean i know that if i go home and shoot fuckin shot of test in my ass ima go out and FREAK OUT!! and go kill someone!!!COME THE FUCK ON! they need to get real they prolly dnt even know shit bout them...jus tryin to stick their dick in any door they can to look good or fuckin get money...they dont give a flying fuck bout anything.....i mean shit look all they r doing is making things worse....they will never win the "war on drugs" there is too much money in it and too many crooked ass ppl in THE GOV......and juice shouldnt even be classed in the war on drugs, they shoudl have a "war on ppl that try to better themsleves"the only reason for them to even do this jsu so they can get more money....aright im done...sorry rough night and i jus saw this and yea....fuck'em ima use and use and use all i want:mad:
 
Come on people is it hard to figure out. We all know the unsusccessful "War On Drugs" generates a tone of money. The likes of it being almost hard to imagine what it would look like. Well it goes somewhere and it's not to increased man hours. How many of the people that you see frontlining this "War" look or even are poor. The answer is ZERO 000000000 because this Phat Pocket Polli's are sticking that money in there pockets. Which is worse a thief or a steroid user. I say the thief, obviously as they steal for the cash we work damn hard for ours and then turn around and use to help make ourselves better. Brininging no harm to anyone in the process, other than possibly ourselves.
 
Now I ain't doubting that the war on drugs is about making the gov money but would someone please explain how exactly they make the money from it?
 
BrooklynBB said:
I think it's pretty clear that murdering someone is a crime, but killing someone in defense of your own life isn't.

Likewise, willfully selling roids to kids and athletes is a crime, but personal use isn't hurting anyone.

These are a bunch of bullshit laws purported by the pharmaceutical industry attempting to take back control of the chemicals they want to sell for $10 a pill when all this shit is availble for pennies a pill.

It's all about the money, don't be fooled. Has nothing at all to do with health. If it really had to do with health, they'd switch cars from burning oil fuel to natural fuels and alternative energies, but the money is in the oil, so we all pay up the ass.

Soon some supplements will be banned - oh wait, that already has happened in the past couple of years. I wonder how soon it's going to be before protein powder is controlled...

i agree .. all i meant was giving the best reasoning i could for why ignorance of the law is no excuse in terms of culpability
 

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