Nick Walker/Derek Lunsford tied at the Pittsburgh Pro?

[bbxtreme]

You kinda just proved my point.. I’m talking about 1 Classic guy because I honestly don’t remember the names of the other competitors.. Again, I’m not a hardcore fan. But I literally had to look up the names of every Mr.O after Phil Heath.. I couldn’t tell you who they were if you put a gun to my head.

And sorry to tell you but IG translates to real world value, it’s 2025 my friend.. You think Joe Rogan would’ve gotten a $250 million contract with Spotify if he has 12k followers? No.. It’s his reach… Cbum has more reach than the last 20 years of Mr.O open winners.. Hence why he probably makes significantly more money than the vast majority of the industry..

Is he great at marketing, good business practices, and all around super lovable ambassador? Sure, that helps too..

You’re asking me to take a poll on who people on a niche hardcore bodybuilding forum would want to look like, Cbum vs Ronnie, yet you’re talking about real life? Makes total sense..

You said you’re not looking at it as an extreme/hardcore fan but go on to say you’re deeply involved in the sport and have followed it since you were a kid?? Also makes total sense..

Hadi and Ramy are seen as gods because that’s the nature of their countries.. Take Hadi out of Iran and no one cares who he is.. Take Ramy out of Egypt and no one cares who he is..

I’m a casual, which is most of the world, you’re a deeply involved fan and competitor..

When you want to know what the broader market thinks, you don’t go and ask hardcore fans with deep connections to whatever it is you’re asking about..

You’re talking about “take away open from shows and they’d be empty”

I’m talking about the Super Bowl of shows, the Mr.Olympia..

Numbers don’t lie..

Who put the most amount of eyeballs on the Prague show last year? The same guys that always compete in it? Or was it that Cbum decided to compete in the Open just for shits an giggles?

Cbum is the equivalent to the fitness industry that Conor is to the UFC..

Everyone knows who Jon Jones is, but EVERYONE watches Conor fight.. Hence why Conor makes $50 million to show up, win or lose and Jon Jones is still begging the UFC for a bigger pay check after 15+ years of dominance ..

I knew this subject would probably twist a few posing trunks in a bunch, as it’s the nature of this place to be an echo chamber when it comes to this subject..

People here don’t have the bandwidth for a healthy debate but sure as hell got all the bandwidth in the world to talk about Insulin protocols or diet 700x a day

This will be my last post, no hate, I’ll let you guys get back to it

Proved your point? This was your list:

Derek - 1.4m
Samson - 1.5m
Big Ramy - 5.1m
Hadi - 9.2m
Nick - 1.5m
Curry - 1.2m
Heath - 4.4m
Ronnie Coleman - 11.4m
Cutler - 5.6m

ONE classic guy is all you knew, but you knew ALL these open guys.

You need to get out to more bodybuilding shows man. But like @KingOfSushi I’m done with these one sided healthy debates as you call them. This may not be the right forum for you man as this is bodybuilding and professional muscle.

Do your thing.

 

[NEMSZ]

Proved your point? This was your list:

Derek - 1.4m
Samson - 1.5m
Big Ramy - 5.1m
Hadi - 9.2m
Nick - 1.5m
Curry - 1.2m
Heath - 4.4m
Ronnie Coleman - 11.4m
Cutler - 5.6m

ONE classic guy is all you knew, but you knew ALL these open guys.

You need to get out to more bodybuilding shows man. But like @KingOfSushi I’m done with these one sided healthy debates as you call them. This may not be the right forum for you man as this is bodybuilding and professional muscle.

Do your thing.

I had to look each and every one of those guys up as well as their followers..

You really think I walk around with their names and amount of followers in my head?

So yea, I proved my point.. That ONE Classic guy has more pull than everyone else in the Open the last 20 years… With numbers.. You know, math.. You’re a business guy aren’t you?? Unless you’re a really bad one and disregard all your numbers and data points that show you how your business is performing?

Maybe you just go by your feelings on that too, idk.

The only point you or anyone in your shoes ever brings up is “I don’t have time for this back and forth” whenever anyone disagrees with any of you..

Then, as always, in the entire history of this forum whenever someone has something like this to say it’s always;

“This might be the wrong place for you, this is professional muscle, it’s about hardcore bodybuilding” blah blah blah..

Ok, there’s plenty of guys on here who aren’t hardcore bodybuilders.. There’s mods on here who’ve never stepped on a stage or had anything even close to a competitive physique..

So should we just ban all members that aren’t hardcore bodybuilders then? So everyone on here who does it for health, who’s on TRT, who basically isn’t in the Open BBing category, we just ban them all so you guys can continue your circle jerk??

No one is ever allowed to have a disagreement or a different point of view on this site or else it’s the same lines over and over, the same defensive cry baby attitude etc..

Or maybe I’m missing the criteria to be a hardcore bodybuilder on here is to just talk about it and god forbid give the sport any push back with individual thinking, blast grams of gear year round and insulin/GH to have an average physique, at best… Plenty of yahoos on here like that

Man, if I had $1 for every time someone PM’d me agreeing with me on things like this but not wanting to come out in the open forum because they know what would happen, I’d be able to buy Beef Stu’s groceries for the year..

Carry on ladies

 

[bbxtreme]

I had to look each and every one of those guys up as well as their followers..

You really think I walk around with their names and amount of followers in my head?

So yea, I proved my point.. That ONE Classic guy has more pull than everyone else in the Open the last 20 years… With numbers.. You know, math.. You’re a business guy aren’t you?? Unless you’re a really bad one and disregard all your numbers and data points that show you how your business is performing?

Maybe you just go by your feelings on that too, idk.

The only point you or anyone in your shoes ever brings up is “I don’t have time for this back and forth” whenever anyone disagrees with any of you..

Then, as always, in the entire history of this forum whenever someone has something like this to say it’s always;

“This might be the wrong place for you, this is professional muscle, it’s about hardcore bodybuilding” blah blah blah..

Ok, there’s plenty of guys on here who aren’t hardcore bodybuilders.. There’s mods on here who’ve never stepped on a stage or had anything even close to a competitive physique..

So should we just ban all members that aren’t hardcore bodybuilders then? So everyone on here who does it for health, who’s on TRT, who basically isn’t in the Open BBing category, we just ban them all so you guys can continue your circle jerk??

No one is ever allowed to have a disagreement or a different point of view on this site or else it’s the same lines over and over, the same defensive cry baby attitude etc..

Or maybe I’m missing the criteria to be a hardcore bodybuilder on here is to just talk about it and god forbid give the sport any push back with individual thinking, blast grams of gear year round and insulin/GH to have an average physique, at best… Plenty of yahoos on here like that

Man, if I had $1 for every time someone PM’d me agreeing with me on things like this but not wanting to come out in the open forum because they know what would happen, I’d be able to buy Beef Stu’s groceries for the year..

Carry on ladies

You have a really hard time with people disagreeing with you. Some of us live this and do know all the names in the sport.

Your attempt to take a jab at my business skills is even more pathetic and shows how incompetent you are.

I’ve tried to give you the benefit of the doubt on here as you continue to write novels back to every seasoned vet here. You’re on your own man.

There’s those who do and those who talk. You’re the talker.

Move it along as you have derailed the topic of this thread yet again.

 

[NEMSZ]

You have a really hard time with people disagreeing with you. Some of us live this and do know all the names in the sport.

Says the guy who couldn’t take the disagreement in the first place? You just proved my point again.. Because you live and breathe this, you took it personal..

Your attempt to take a jab at my business skills is even more pathetic and shows how incompetent you are.

I didn’t take a jab at your business, I took a jab at your comprehension skills.

I forget, reading isn’t a strong suit in the bodybuilding community.. If it’s not nutrition facts or gear labels, it’s too long and painful to understand.

I’ve tried to give you the benefit of the doubt on here as you continue to write novels back to every seasoned vet here. You’re on your own man.

What about me gave you the impression that I give a fuck what anyone thinks about me? Especially on the internet..

There’s those who do and those who talk. You’re the talker.

Those who “do” what vs “talk” about what exactly??

I don’t recall ever claiming to be a hardcore bodybuilder..

Unless that was your pathetic attempt at being some kind of mystical badass on the internet.

Which, let’s calm down there buddy, you lift weights and eat oatmeal so you don’t get a tummy ache..

You don’t go to war, you’re not a UFC fighter.

Don’t let those BBing motivational videos you see online misguide you, it’s cheesy as fuck.

Move it along as you have derailed the topic of this thread yet again.

Oopsie

 

[bbxtreme]

Says the guy who couldn’t take the disagreement in the first place? You just proved my point again.. Because you live and breathe this, you took it personal..


I didn’t take a jab at your business, I took a jab at your comprehension skills.

I forget, reading isn’t a strong suit in the bodybuilding community.. If it’s not nutrition facts or gear labels, it’s too long and painful to understand.


What about me gave you the impression that I give a fuck what anyone thinks about me? Especially on the internet..


Those who “do” what vs “talk” about what exactly??

I don’t recall ever claiming to be a hardcore bodybuilder..

Unless that was your pathetic attempt at being some kind of mystical badass on the internet.

Which, let’s calm down there buddy, you lift weights and eat oatmeal so you don’t get a tummy ache..

You don’t go to war, you’re not a UFC fighter.

Don’t let those BBing motivational videos you see online misguide you, it’s cheesy as fuck.



Oopsie

Stick to trying to move up a weight class in BJJ man. Sounds like you’re going to need it.

Now go take up journaling as my apologies for giving you any attention. I can clearly see I’ve gotten under your skin which seems to be a common theme on here.

May do you good to take some time off this place to spend with your Colombian wife. Seems like you’re going through some shit.

 

[nidnoy]

Who is Conor?

 

[luki7788]

no doubt most would rather look like Cbum than Dudes from open BB but that doesn't change the fact that next year open bodybuilding will get $750k for first place at AC and classic $100k and Arnold is a better businessman than all of us put together so he knows what the most people will come to

Just because people don't want to be freaks themselves doesn't mean they don't want to see these freaks - just like they used to watch "a woman with a beard" in the circus - I think everyone will understand what I mean

 

[NEMSZ]

Stick to trying to move up a weight class in BJJ man. Sounds like you’re going to need it.

Needs vs Wants, my friend. Mine is a want.

Sounds like I’m going to need it? You think there’s an array of bigger guys that know how to fight coming after me for some reason?

Now go take up journaling as my apologies for giving you any attention. I can clearly see I’ve gotten under your skin which seems to be a common theme on here.

Says the guy who literally journals every move he makes and then talks about it in another journal on bodybuilding forum?

How hardcore of you bro..

I know it’s hard for you to believe, but just because someone disagrees with you, doesn’t mean you’ve gotten under their skin.

May do you good to take some time off this place to spend with your Colombian wife. Seems like you’re going through some shit.

I spend plenty of time with my wife, she’s my best friend and we actually just got back from a pretty great vacation.

Not sure what her being Colombian has to do with anything? You could’ve just said “wife.”

And again, just because someone pushes back, has a different opinion than you or disagrees with you, doesn’t mean they’re going through something..

You’re talking like a Gen Z kid

It’s not that serious..

 

[bbxtreme]

Needs vs Wants, my friend. Mine is a want.

Sounds like I’m going to need it? You think there’s an array of bigger guys that know how to fight coming after me for some reason?


Says the guy who literally journals every move he makes and then talks about it in another journal on bodybuilding forum?

How hardcore of you bro..

I know it’s hard for you to believe, but just because someone disagrees with you, doesn’t mean you’ve gotten under their skin.



I spend plenty of time with my wife, she’s my best friend and we actually just got back from a pretty great vacation.

Not sure what her being Colombian has to do with anything? You could’ve just said “wife.”

And again, just because someone pushes back, has a different opinion than you or disagrees with you, doesn’t mean they’re going through something..

You’re talking like a Gen Z kid

It’s not that serious..

Seems pretty serious to you… you keep trying to write me these long novels back.

 

[Sectør]

 

[NEMSZ]

Seems pretty serious to you… you keep trying to write me these long novels back.

Have you seen the insane amount of things you write about on here and struggle like hell to barely look the part?

There’s terabytes worth..

I’d be bitter too if I were you..

 

[b-boy]

Not sure what her being Colombian has to do with anything? You could’ve just said “wife.”

I want no part of this little back and forth but I do % agree with the above statement.

 

[bbxtreme]

I want no part of this little back and forth but I do % agree with the above statement.

He’s bragged about it here… maybe you should ask him.

 

[bbxtreme]

Have you seen the insane amount of things you write about on here and struggle like hell to barely look the part?

There’s terabytes worth..

I’d be bitter too if I were you..

Feel free to post up your pics at any time.

 

[NEMSZ]

He’s bragged about it here… maybe you should ask him.

I bragged about it??

What did I “brag” about??

All I’ve ever said when someone talked about moving to Colombia was that I’ve been there over a dozen times because my wife is from there…

Or when a member on here talked about living there and getting Testoviron or GH over the counter and I agreed because that’s where I’ve gotten mine..

YOU even PM’d me asking me where I got my Pharma Testoviron and I told you, my wife is from Colombia so when we go down there I always stock up and bring a bunch back..

Soooooo what are you talking about I’m “bragging”

 

[Siggy]

Everyone shaddap

 

[bbxtreme]

I bragged about it??

What did I “brag” about??

All I’ve ever said when someone talked about moving to Colombia was that I’ve been there over a dozen times because my wife is from there…

Or when a member on here talked about living there and getting Testoviron or GH over the counter and I agreed because that’s where I’ve gotten mine..

YOU even PM’d me asking me where I got my Pharma Testoviron and I told you, my wife is from Colombia so when we go down there I always stock up and bring a bunch back..

Soooooo what are you talking about I’m “bragging”

I feel like that’s rhetorical given your own post above. Lol

As I keep telling you… move it along.

 

[NEMSZ]

Feel free to post up your pics at any time.

I’ve posted pics a few times.. Again, never claiming to be a “hardcore bodybuilder”… Not even close..

I’ll post where I’m at now later today just for you..

But it’s understandable why this hits so close to home for you..

As you said, you live a breathe this.. You spend $10’s of thousands of dollars a year chasing this endeavor, you have the best coach, the best food and supplements money can buy, the best gear, the massages and stem cell therapies and extra protocols you do on the side etc..

You openly admit to cruising on more than 1-1.5g of gear year round.. You wrote a novel on insulin protocols and what people should do for best results etc..

Aaaaaaand you’re 5’6, 190lbs soaking wet…

 

[NEMSZ]

I feel like that’s rhetorical given your own post above. Lol

As I keep telling you… move it along.

Sooo engaging in conversation and giving context is “bragging”

Cry harder..

 

[bbxtreme]

I’ve posted pics a few times.. Again, never claiming to be a “hardcore bodybuilder”… Not even close..

I’ll post where I’m at now later today just for you..

But it’s understandable why this hits so close to home for you..

As you said, you live a breathe this.. You spend $10’s of thousands of dollars a year chasing this endeavor, you have the best coach, the best food and supplements money can buy, the best gear, the massages and stem cell therapies and extra protocols you do on the side etc..

You openly admit to cruising on more than 1-1.5g of gear year round.. You wrote a novel on insulin protocols and what people should do for best results etc..

Aaaaaaand you’re 5’6, 190lbs soaking wet…

This takes us back to your original stupid post that started all this. You clearly don’t understand classic physique. Lol

When you have the trophies and accomplishments in this sport that I do feel free to critique me. Until then go join a low level BJJ board.

Keep arguing with yourself. I know you love the attention. But I’m out. You’ve wasted enough time of the vets here over the last months with your delusional rants.

I’m sure you will respond to this with another winded reply, but what you’ve failed to get is that I’m going along because I find this comical. You’re taking it literal. You’re not one of the guys any of us take serious here. But keep on trying.