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NO2; a worthwhile supplement while on?

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Is it really that noticeable?

What brand if it is noticeable, does everyone recommend?

Seems to be rather pricey, and if its only marginal I will pass on it...

How do the pumps compare to the pumps from androgens?
 
i like straight arginine base while on, its much cheaper and with running 40g of it a day its alot better an option.
i think it actually helps the gear in yer system, i was able to use abt 1/5th the doses and achieve the same level of results.
to me its worth it
plus it gives u viagra like results in bed
frk
 
Junk!

The expensive NO2 supplements are junk!

FRK has mentioned very high doses of Arginine, and this might work, similar to high doses of Glutamine.

Most of the NO2 things are low-dose arginine, and at the doses they use, it doesn't work. Save your money, or try the straight Arginine in the high-dose method FRK describes.
 
Someone was saying good t :confused: hings about Pump-Tech. But who knows if that will last?
 
No long term benefit at all. You do feel the pumps when you use b4 workout. This fad will pass.
 
Yet another scam!
This is from a very bright person from another board!
(does alot of research!)


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Supplements that reportedly increase nitric oxide levels within the body are currently being marketed as powerful muscle builders. The marketers of these supplements claim they increase nitric oxide levels within muscle tissue and a dramatic increase in muscle size, strength is experienced. Other claims also include an increase in fast-twitch muscle fiber strength, endurance, power output, and load capacity from taking these supplements. These reported benefits are quite specific, so I decided to scan the literature for the scientific evidence that supports these claims.

Nitric Oxide – what is it?

Nitric oxide is a colorless, free radical gas commonly found in tissues of all mammals (it’s also prepared commercially by passing air through an electric arc). Biologically, nitric oxide has been shown to be an important neuro-messenger in a number of vertebrate signal transduction processes. Nitric oxide is used in medical treatment; for example, nitroglycerin ameliorates the pain of angina by supplying nitric oxide to the blood vessels that supply the heart. The popular drug Viagra controls erection by regulating nitric oxide in the penile cartilage chamber.

The Research and the Claims

I don’t know where the marketers obtained their literature on nitric oxide. It looks like they are using the same journals as the companies selling Myostatin inhibitors – Alice in Wonderland. Although nitric oxide acts as a cell-to-cell communicator for certain metabolic functions, muscle growth is not one of them. After a review of the available literature I cannot find any research that remotely indicates increasing nitric oxide levels plays a part in increasing protein synthesis, contractile strength or any other biochemical pathway that may lead to increases in muscle mass. For a company to claim their supplement increases “fast-twitch” muscle strength, the promoters must have instigated or funded some kind of research that involved biopsy procedures and histo-chemical analyses to extract, assesses and identify these particular muscle fibers from animals or humans, before and after supplementation. However, I could find no documentation (either on their web sites or via a literature scan) that details these findings, only the marketing claims. As far as I’m aware, there is zero scientific evidence supporting the notion that nitric oxide supplements increase “fast-twitch” muscle strength.

There also appears to be no evidence whatsoever that shows increasing nitric oxide levels enhances endurance, power output, and load capacity. Arginine alpha-ketogluterate is the “active” ingredient reported by one company that sells this type of supplement. It is claimed that this compound increases and maintains a constantly high level of nitric oxide in muscle. Nitric oxide is synthesized within the body using the amino acid arginine, the energy cyclic substrate NADPH, and oxygen. Nitric oxide diffuses freely across membranes but it is a transient signaling molecule. Nitric oxide is by nature, a highly reactive gas that has an extremely short life – less than a few seconds. While there is a lot of research on the effects of nitric oxide, there is no research that shows supplementation with arginine alpha-ketogluterate increases or sustains nitric oxide levels in any human or animal organs.

Can you imagine, a supplement that “creates dramatic increases in muscle size, strength, endurance, power output, and load capacity”, but not a single study to support these claims. Nothing new here. Unfortunately, this is typical sports nutrition marketing bullshit. It's sad, misleading, and shows you just what these companies think of the intelligence level of their target market.

I know I’ve said this before, but you can cut through the advertising hype quite easily. Simply ask the supplement company making the claims to "show you the research". A reference is a start, but the actual research study is particularly what your after. You want to see the study, the protocol, the outcome and the University at which the study was conducted. In the present case, you want to see a study showing were this supplement actually increased nitric oxide above a control group, and you want to see the data that demonstrates an increase in lean muscle mass, significantly more than the group without elevated nitric oxide levels. The fact is, there is no science supporting any of the claims made for so-called nitric oxide supplements. There is no science showing they have any effect on nitric oxide levels and certainly no science showing in effects on muscle growth or increased performance.

Ask yourself why there is no research to support these companies’ wild claims. The simple answer is that research is expensive, make believe products are not. Research provides evidence, fraudulent supplement marketing only delivers hype. It’s far more financially rewarding to sell hype than to produce effective supplements backed by science. One promoter of a nitric oxide supplement claims to have “brought creatine supplementation to the market” and that their supplement is “the perfected version of creatine”. I’m not sure which market is being referred to but creatine has been used as a supplement for over 40 years. And in NO way are nitric oxide supplements a “perfected version of creatine”. They are nothing like creatine. While creatine is backed by a wealth of research, nitric oxide supplements do not have a shred of scientific evidence that justifies their effectiveness as a bodybuilding supplements. I’m wondering how many of you have read or heard some of these claims that I’m referring to.

Bottom line, money spent on these products is money flushed down the toilet. The only "pump" you'll get (unless psychosematic - don't think I spelled that right) is the one to unclog the toilet!

HOPE THIS HELPS!
 
NO2 Products

I've gave MRI NO2 and PumpTech a fair run and I was very disappointed in both products! Totally worthless in my opinion.
 
im standing behind my EXPERIENCES not my research
frk
 
L-Arginine

I still think L-Arginine would be a decent supplement. But i wouldnt pay sky high prices for Pump Tech or NO2.
 
i get a kilo of capped arg base for like 150 plus sh
not that bad IMO
frk
 
great side effect

New member here:

From what I have read NO2 produces no real results....except:

I an attempt to combat some prostatic problems I use 2500 mg of L arginine/25 mg of zinc/250 mg of magnesium nightly before bed. I found this mixture when searching on the internet solutions for prostatic problems.

The zinc helps your junk make juice...every shot you lose 15 mgs of zinc; play tag more than twice a week after 30 then you are zinc deficient. The magnesium has a positive effect on muscle relaxation (my legs get restless and jumpy at night) but here's the good news: the L arginine causes major wood; I haven't had tentbuilders like this since I was 16.

The whole setup using GNC store brand L arginine, and zinc and magnesium from local supermarket will set you back about 15 bucks.

That's my two cents worth
 
so frk suggests 40 g of arginine a day.

tony - how much arginine do you suggest taking that have produced results? keep in mind that i'm 19, i don't know if that would change anything.
 
Supposedly DiArginine Malate gives the most pumps.I will only use it for the cosmetic effect because I don't think it does much else.I ordered 500grams of that and will stack with Citrulline Malate powder and CEE.We'll see how it goes.
 
careful man, creatine and arginine counteract eachother, u may want to cycle them seperate to get the benefits u want
 
FRKNHUGE said:
careful man, creatine and arginine counteract eachother, u may want to cycle them seperate to get the benefits u want

How so?Never heard that before.
 

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