Nolva + Enclo or Nolva alone?

[blazencruise]

Hello, beginner here. I'm about to start a 12 week cycle of Test @ 500 mg/week. For my pct, should I use nolva alone, or will I get better results combining it with enclomiphene? Or is that overkill. Eventually I will probably end up B&C but for my first time I just want to cycle to see if this is right for me.

 

[neutrino]

Im sure more knowledgeable people will come through shortly. Man, back in 2012 during my first cycle, the baseline i was given for PCT was nolva and clomid. Now days I hear some say nolva, clomid, and HCG. Sometimes its even just HCG. Seems to just depend on who you ask. Many ways to skin a cat

 

[Fa Seeshus]

You will need to give more info, like what ester, if you are running an AI during cycle, how old you are, etc.

And people are going to tell you to use the search button, lol

 

[blazencruise]

You will need to give more info, like what ester, if you are running an AI during cycle, how old you are, etc.

And people are going to tell you to use the search button, lol

Test cyp. Have an AI on hand but will only be running it if I get high e2 sides and confirmed by blood work. 29 years old.

 

[buck]

Back when i did PCT i used clomid and HCG. With nolva on hand just in case. But that was over 20 years ago. Can't say what the latest thinking is.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

If E2 in normal ranges i would start the clomid or nolva 1 week after the last shot and run for 5-6 weeks. I did nolva ir toremifine since clomid made me feel like a soy boy. There is a better version of clomid now i haven't used. Enclomiphene or something, correct me if I'm wrong.

During this period is a great time to run igf1 lr3. It will keep gains and help nuts come back

 

[blazencruise]

If E2 in normal ranges i would start the clomid or nolva 1 week after the last shot and run for 5-6 weeks. I did nolva ir toremifine since clomid made me feel like a soy boy. There is a better version of clomid now i haven't used. Enclomiphene or something, correct me if I'm wrong.

During this period is a great time to run igf1 lr3. It will keep gains and help nuts come back

Thanks for this info, this helps a lot. Yes, enclo is the active isomer of clomid. Zuclomiphene is the other isomer that's believed to be what causes most of the mental issues. Will look into igf-1 lr3.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

Thanks for this info, this helps a lot. Yes, enclo is the active isomer of clomid. Zuclomiphene is the other isomer that's believed to be what causes most of the mental issues. Will look into igf-1 lr3.

My bud who was broke as shit in college would do shot of cyp every 5 days for 50 days. Then wait a week. run igf 30mcg week 1, 40 week 2, 50 for 3, etc. When the igf was all gone (1000mcg total) he would wait a few weeks and repeat. Got huge off this. He didn't even do the nolva. Igflr3 highly underrated as pct.

 

[pesty4077]

First cycle you don't need anything. You also don't need 500 mg. If ypu start this high, you will be at 1000 mg. in no time. Start much lower around 100 mg. Split at least two to 3 times a week. Eat good, train hard and later slightly increase dose after several weeks, when you get dimishing returns. Realize once you start, you will most likely keep increasing doses for more muscle. Depends how satisfied you are at what you look like.

 

[mexbeast]

First cycle you don't need anything. You also don't need 500 mg. If ypu start this high, you will be at 1000 mg. in no time. Start much lower around 100 mg. Split at least two to 3 times a week. Eat good, train hard and later slightly increase dose after several weeks, when you get dimishing returns. Realize once you start, you will most likely keep increasing doses for more muscle. Depends how satisfied you are at what you look like.

I don't want to disagree with a good mod and vet, but 100mgs a week is way too low imo, 100mgs 3 times a week yes! At 100 some may not even replace natural levels!

 

[pesty4077]

I don't want to disagree with a good mod and vet, but 100mgs a week is way too low imo, 100mgs 3 times a week yes! At 100 some may not even replace natural levels!

No, that is what this board is for. The difference is you been on gear for awhile, he is just starting. Whatever is natural test levels are, 100 mg will jump him up quite a bit.

 

[blazencruise]

No, that is what this board is for. The difference is you been on gear for awhile, he is just starting. Whatever is natural test levels are, 100 mg will jump him up quite a bit.

My natural test according to blood work 3 months ago was 1314 ng/DL ...will 100 mg really boost it?

 

[pesty4077]

My natural test according to blood work 3 months ago was 1314 ng/DL ...will 100 mg really boost it?

Geez, I wish I had that natural level. I get off taking test.
If you are truly natural, it will boost it some.

I had a good friend who was diabetic have levels like that. He didn't work out or take anything besides insulin.

 

[blazencruise]

Geez, I wish I had that natural level. I get off taking test.
If you are truly natural, it will boost it some.

I had a good friend who was diabetic have levels like that. He didn't work out or take anything besides insulin.

I have type 1...maybe that's why?

 

[pesty4077]

I have type 1...maybe that's why?

That diffently explains things if you take insulin.
Realize if you take testosterone, your natural levels might not be like that for awhile. I wish I had those levels. You plan to compete or just want more muscle?

 

[blazencruise]

That diffently explains things if you take insulin.
Realize if you take testosterone, your natural levels might not be like that for awhile. I wish I had those levels. You plan to compete or just want more muscle?

I compete in powerlifting but only at local levels. This is mainly for me to see how much mass I can put on and maintain post cycle.