Novolin R IM instead of sub q ?

[Sambo44]

I’ve been searching everywhere and finding a lot of mixed information, novolin R injected sub q begins to work at 30 minutes, peaks at 1.5 to 3.5 hours and out of system in 8 hours , but intramuscular injections of novolin R ,I can’t seem to find clear answers, so what better place then pm to ask , what would the numbers be if injected novolin R intramuscular instead of sub q ? Novolin R is readily available in states unlike humalog as a lot of you probably all ready know , reason I’m asking is I heard intramuscular injections of insulin hits you faster and clears the system faster , just wondering is that true and if it is , how much faster ? any info would be greatly appreciated, thanks guys

 

[Sectør]

I’ve been searching everywhere and finding a lot of mixed information, novolin R injected sub q begins to work at 30 minutes, peaks at 1.5 to 3.5 hours and out of system in 8 hours , but intramuscular injections of novolin R ,I can’t seem to find clear answers, so what better place then pm to ask , what would the numbers be if injected novolin R intramuscular instead of sub q ? Novolin R is readily available in states unlike humalog as a lot of you probably all ready know , reason I’m asking is I heard intramuscular injections of insulin hits you faster and clears the system faster , just wondering is that true and if it is , how much faster ? any info would be greatly appreciated, thanks guys

I treat it as having a 6 hour elimination life when done IM. Usually peaks within an hour or so. Not sure if this is absolutely the figure, just a ball park estimate I use for it

 

[neutrino]

Same applies to HGH: IM allegedly hits faster. How fast? As with most other things - probably depends on many factors. Best approach is to simply try for yourself and see what happens.

Personally, last thing I want is yet another IM shot for the sake of things hitting ~30-60 min faster. As long as you have everything structured, theres really no need for it. Otherwise you could argue that IV would get it in the quickest, but WTF...why.

 

[GreatGhandi51]

Try timing it with your GH shot, as one is inverse to another naturally.

Hum-R is best half-life : GH (almost identical).

Thats where the magic happens.

 

[neutrino]

Try timing it with your GH shot, as one is inverse to another naturally.

Hum-R is best half-life : GH (almost identical).

Thats where the magic happens.

This is interesting and is precisely the conclusion I had arrived at just by using rational, logical thinking. BUT online I see at least a few sources saying that BECAUSE they are inverse, its actually smarted to make sure one has "worn off" before using the other. Example: PWO insulin and at end of day, GH shot, so they are not influencing one another?

Can you please elaborate further as to why one approach is superior to the other? Would love to know. My approach was to take insulin PWO and then hit my GH post.

 

[GreatGhandi51]

Ill quickly illustrate to you via a pic; maybe youll understand it then? note: most the stuff you read on the interent is bullshit about slin, ie 10g of sugar per iu bla bla, thats a good way to get fat. There was a guy here, his name was kiwi he was a moderator? etc (may he rip), he use to eat sugar snakes to offset insulin effects.

The above is a good way to have an understanding of how the 2 work, when one is up one is down (naturally) in the body (from BG to FFA to slin senstivity amongst a miard of other effect 'countering' effects? if you will?). What bodybuilders realised, is that if you mix these 2 together it creates a massive IGF spurt. This is why if you type 'ronnie coleman chad nicholas cycle getbig' youll get something like 15iu Hum-R + 3-4IU (3-4 times a day). Thats the grail if you will, the perfect timing of HGH and Slin together, to get highest IGF spurt.

Some people will tell you humalog bla bla, but bro.. try Hum-R and GH together then come talk to me. Night and day difference if you have a level of introspectiveness. Mind you ive tried everything from actarapid, humalog, humR, lantus etc.

Slin without gh, appart from nutrient partioning? eh and not the 10g per iu rule, i rememebr this one arab pro i use to speak to.. his like bodybuilders get one shiver 'omg 1000g of maltodextrinand 200g super hydrolysed protein'.. nek minnut he thinks his big because he has all glycogen supercompensation and before you know his fat whale LOL. A diabetic? orange juice and maybe 1-2 tabs of those glucose tablets.

Can you use slin without GH? yeh.. but i wouldnt recommend it. If your admant about it try 3-5g of sugar per hum-R but again up to you

 

[Sectør]

Ill quickly illustrate to you via a pic; maybe youll understand it then? note: most the stuff you read on the interent is bullshit about slin, ie 10g of sugar per iu bla bla, thats a good way to get fat. There was a guy here, his name was kiwi he was a moderator? etc (may he rip), he use to eat sugar snakes to offset insulin effects.
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The above is a good way to have an understanding of how the 2 work, when one is up one is down (naturally) in the body (from BG to FFA to slin senstivity amongst a miard of other effect 'countering' effects? if you will?). What bodybuilders realised, is that if you mix these 2 together it creates a massive IGF spurt. This is why if you type 'ronnie coleman chad nicholas cycle getbig' youll get something like 15iu Hum-R + 3-4IU (3-4 times a day). Thats the grail if you will, the perfect timing of HGH and Slin together, to get highest IGF spurt.

Some people will tell you humalog bla bla, but bro.. try Hum-R and GH together then come talk to me. Night and day difference if you have a level of introspectiveness. Mind you ive tried everything from actarapid, humalog, humR, lantus etc.

Slin without gh, appart from nutrient partioning? eh and not the 10g per iu rule, i rememebr this one arab pro i use to speak to.. his like bodybuilders get one shiver 'omg 1000g of maltodextrinand 200g super hydrolysed protein'.. nek minnut he thinks his big because he has all glycogen supercompensation and before you know his fat whale LOL. A diabetic? orange juice and maybe 1-2 tabs of those glucose tablets.

Can you use slin without GH? yeh.. but i wouldnt recommend it. If your admant about it try 3-5g of sugar per hum-R but again up to you

I think you raise some good points on IGF output, but I also don't think anyones getting fat off 10g carbs/iu. If anything this ratio is on the lower side unless you have insulin resistance.

Do you feel that nolvalin-r or hum-r is superior for increasing IGF output over the fast acting humalog version?

 

[neutrino]

Ill quickly illustrate to you via a pic; maybe youll understand it then? note: most the stuff you read on the interent is bullshit about slin, ie 10g of sugar per iu bla bla, thats a good way to get fat. There was a guy here, his name was kiwi he was a moderator? etc (may he rip), he use to eat sugar snakes to offset insulin effects.
View attachment 225809
The above is a good way to have an understanding of how the 2 work, when one is up one is down (naturally) in the body (from BG to FFA to slin senstivity amongst a miard of other effect 'countering' effects? if you will?). What bodybuilders realised, is that if you mix these 2 together it creates a massive IGF spurt. This is why if you type 'ronnie coleman chad nicholas cycle getbig' youll get something like 15iu Hum-R + 3-4IU (3-4 times a day). Thats the grail if you will, the perfect timing of HGH and Slin together, to get highest IGF spurt.

Some people will tell you humalog bla bla, but bro.. try Hum-R and GH together then come talk to me. Night and day difference if you have a level of introspectiveness. Mind you ive tried everything from actarapid, humalog, humR, lantus etc.

Slin without gh, appart from nutrient partioning? eh and not the 10g per iu rule, i rememebr this one arab pro i use to speak to.. his like bodybuilders get one shiver 'omg 1000g of maltodextrinand 200g super hydrolysed protein'.. nek minnut he thinks his big because he has all glycogen supercompensation and before you know his fat whale LOL. A diabetic? orange juice and maybe 1-2 tabs of those glucose tablets.

Can you use slin without GH? yeh.. but i wouldnt recommend it. If your admant about it try 3-5g of sugar per hum-R but again up to you

That's precisely my plan for this winter. Got 900 units sitting in the fridge of generic GH and a vial of novalin. Plan is to just run that with a gram of test from June until the holidays. I'll report back

My only hold back was do I take GH at night or just run it after workout like I mentioned.

What would you do if you were me?

 

[GreatGhandi51]

I think you raise some good points on IGF output, but I also don't think anyones getting fat off 10g carbs/iu. If anything this ratio is on the lower side unless you have insulin resistance.

Do you feel that nolvalin-r or hum-r is superior for increasing IGF output over the fast acting humalog version?

10g per iu? without GH? lol try it and let me know how u go in 1-2 weeks after your glyocgen supercompensation wears down.

Hum-R is because the half life is almost identical to GH which is about 3 and half hours.

That's precisely my plan for this winter. Got 900 units sitting in the fridge of generic GH and a vial of novalin. Plan is to just run that with a gram of test from June until the holidays. I'll report back

My only hold back was do I take GH at night or just run it after workout like I mentioned.

What would you do if you were me?

Im not a fan of generic GH; pharma > generic but if generic is the only way you got at the moment, then 1iu of gh = 2iu of slin and you will need very minimal sugar. But lets say you want to have massive preworkout 3-4 iu of gh + 10-15iu of humalin-R, and orange juice shake with 10-20g of maltodextrin and amino acid during workout. After your workout have protein shake etc/meal.

 

[drafty_c]

If you go IM with Novolin R, it kicks in way faster, like 15-20 min, and clears in about 4-6 hours. Way sharper and shorter than subQ. Just gotta be ready for it to hit quicker.

 

[Neuro1234]

IM administration usually has a quicker onset, however a more variable absorption rate. The reason insulin is administered SQ is that fat provides a consistent absorption rate in the body creating less swings in glucose levels.

OP, there’s great threads on insulin use here. Especially the one by @bbxtreme. If you find that one user is telling you something different than the general consensus given by well known and well vetted members, consider the source.

 

[Snarf]

It does hit faster, like 15-20 minutes, but it clears out quicker too, around 4-6 hours. So, it’s a more intense, short-lived effect compared to subQ, which lasts longer. Though, I wouldn’t mess with IM unless you’re comfortable with that speed and potential blood sugar swings. The consistency of subQ is better for most people

 

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[KingOfSushi]

10g per iu? without GH? lol try it and let me know how u go in 1-2 weeks after your glyocgen supercompensation wears down.

You’re equating in your mind people using the 10g per iu ratio to people adding excess calories to meet that ratio. Just because you use that ratio doesn’t mean you have to put yourself into an excessive surplus.

 

[GreatGhandi51]

You’re equating in your mind people using the 10g per iu ratio to people adding excess calories to meet that ratio. Just because you use that ratio doesn’t mean you have to put yourself into an excessive surplus.

Well depends what your using insulin for; nutrient partioning or IGF. If your using for nutrient partioning you want to get away with least amount of sugar as possible because the excess will eventually be stored as fat. Thats why i mentioned insulin without GH is almost a sure way to get fat, the majority of online is 10g per iu so you dont go hypo.. you go tell that to a diabetic and see what they tell you.

 

[Muay Thai]

Ill quickly illustrate to you via a pic; maybe youll understand it then? note: most the stuff you read on the interent is bullshit about slin, ie 10g of sugar per iu bla bla, thats a good way to get fat. There was a guy here, his name was kiwi he was a moderator? etc (may he rip), he use to eat sugar snakes to offset insulin effects.
View attachment 225809
The above is a good way to have an understanding of how the 2 work, when one is up one is down (naturally) in the body (from BG to FFA to slin senstivity amongst a miard of other effect 'countering' effects? if you will?). What bodybuilders realised, is that if you mix these 2 together it creates a massive IGF spurt. This is why if you type 'ronnie coleman chad nicholas cycle getbig' youll get something like 15iu Hum-R + 3-4IU (3-4 times a day). Thats the grail if you will, the perfect timing of HGH and Slin together, to get highest IGF spurt.

Some people will tell you humalog bla bla, but bro.. try Hum-R and GH together then come talk to me. Night and day difference if you have a level of introspectiveness. Mind you ive tried everything from actarapid, humalog, humR, lantus etc.

Slin without gh, appart from nutrient partioning? eh and not the 10g per iu rule, i rememebr this one arab pro i use to speak to.. his like bodybuilders get one shiver 'omg 1000g of maltodextrinand 200g super hydrolysed protein'.. nek minnut he thinks his big because he has all glycogen supercompensation and before you know his fat whale LOL. A diabetic? orange juice and maybe 1-2 tabs of those glucose tablets.

Can you use slin without GH? yeh.. but i wouldnt recommend it. If your admant about it try 3-5g of sugar per hum-R but again up to you

ive done it , its hard not to get fat while doing so

 

[KingOfSushi]

Well depends what your using insulin for; nutrient partioning or IGF. If your using for nutrient partioning you want to get away with least amount of sugar as possible because the excess will eventually be stored as fat. Thats why i mentioned insulin without GH is almost a sure way to get fat, the majority of online is 10g per iu so you dont go hypo.. you go tell that to a diabetic and see what they tell you.

You either misunderstood what I said or completely ignored what I just said

 

[Neuro1234]

You either misunderstood what I said or completely ignored what I just said

Yes.

 

[tren]

Why play the guessing game. It’s called a glucose monitor

 

[Sambo44]

If you go IM with Novolin R, it kicks in way faster, like 15-20 min, and clears in about 4-6 hours. Way sharper and shorter than subQ. Just gotta be ready for it to hit quicker.

So basically novolin R injected im instead of sub q has about the same timing as humalog ,or novalog correct ? humalog sub q kicks in about 15 minutes, peaks at around 1 hour and clears the system in about 4 hours , that was basically the root of my post and question , I don’t have easy access to humalog or novalog , but I can get novolin r otc anytime I want , I take it drafty c you’ve tried novolin or humulin R pretty much the same thing IM ? You said you have to be ready because it kicks in about 15 minutes, well that’s identical to humalog then correct? Sure you have to be ready for the kick in time , but the peak time is where you really need to be paying attention because it’s at full power at the peak , which if it’s that fast it should peak about same time , 1 hour , if that’s true thats very good news for me , we can basically change are R type insulins with the fastest acting insulins by just changing injection method , I got the perfect type of needles for insulin IM injections to , 27 gauge 1 inch and 27 gauge 5/8 inch for delts and smaller muscle groups, using 1cc luer lock syringes , just be careful guys ,those 1cc syringes sometimes throws guys off because they are use to insulin syringes, you wouldn’t think it would be that difficult adjustment, but for some it’s confusing I guess