Npp and pip

[workingclass]

 

[mexbeast]

Yea that’s it. Man I was drawing the smallest amount of TP into about a ml consisting of test/deca/eq and mast and it would still get really bad pip. I was planning on just using a tiny bit each injection.

I gotta give this a try and get to the bottom of it. Maybe it’s just geneza TP? Who knows. I use sustanon EOD so assuming King Labs did it correctly with the right test esters I am already injecting TP…

I still have some geneza sust that I have been adding to my syringe. No pip

Back in early 2000 i used to get primoteston which was good test e, but then i discovered testopri D which was way cheaper and had 50mgs t p in it which made it very appealing, so i got a bunch of it, the problem was that it would cause terrible pip and swelling to the point that you would get both local and general fever. Around that time the anabolic book came out and William suggested that boiling the testoprim could solve the problem, so i started doing it and it took care of the problem. Maybe try that, put the vial in boiling water and leave it there for a minute or two and see if that works for you!

 

[dieselbuilder]

Back in early 2000 i used to get primoteston which was good test e, but then i discovered testopri D which was way cheaper and had 50mgs t p in it which made it very appealing, so i got a bunch of it, the problem was that it would cause terrible pip and swelling to the point that you would get both local and general fever. Around that time the anabolic book came out and William suggested that boiling the testoprim could solve the problem, so i started doing it and it took care of the problem. Maybe try that, put the vial in boiling water and leave it there for a minute or two and see if that works for you!

Thanks. I should try that. Do I need a needle in the top to vent? I assume this is to boil off part of the solution correct?

 

[mexbeast]

Thanks. I should try that. Do I need a needle in the top to vent? I assume this is to boil off part of the solution correct?

No, William suspected the testoprim was "dirty" so in that particular case it wasn't the solvents,!

 

[Anabolix8]

Back in early 2000 i used to get primoteston which was good test e, but then i discovered testopri D which was way cheaper and had 50mgs t p in it which made it very appealing, so i got a bunch of it, the problem was that it would cause terrible pip and swelling to the point that you would get both local and general fever. Around that time the anabolic book came out and William suggested that boiling the testoprim could solve the problem, so i started doing it and it took care of the problem. Maybe try that, put the vial in boiling water and leave it there for a minute or two and see if that works for you!

Interesting throwback. I remember hearing about that advice years ago as well. If heating seemed to help, it was likely addressing something specific to that particular batch or formulation rather than being a universal fix. PIP can come from a lot of factors, so it's probably not something that works across the board, but it's definitely an interesting bit of old school bodybuilding history.

 

[AllLoadedUp]

I've never had any pip from NPP. I'm on it now. Usually goes in with test. But even taking just the NPP has never bothered me. Different for everybody I guess.

 

[Anabolix8]

I've never had any pip from NPP. I'm on it now. Usually goes in with test. But even taking just the NPP has never bothered me. Different for everybody I guess.

Exactly. Everyone responds a little differently. Injection site, technique, volume, and individual sensitivity can all play a role.
Some people never experience PIP, while others may notice it even with the same product. That's why it's always best to look at the full picture before assuming it's the compound itself.

 

[kscowboy]

it's been on my mind everyday for awhile now

found two jars of t300 and gonna run out of the 2nd jar soon

really don't wanna go spend more money than I have to if I can just do this and use all my t400 with added oil

once I figure out how to do this I'm gonna give it a shot

the test I have uses grapeseed oil so I'm assuming using the same carrier oil is best or can I use mct oil too

also confused why do I need a filter syringe if the oil is sterilized

do I need to do a 1-1 ratio or .5ml-.5ml 1ml-1ml etc

@kscowboy would love your input if you don't mind

Sorry this has taken me so long to reply. You don’t need to filter it if you have a good source.

Take your gear and draw it into your syringe. For the sake of an example, let’s say you want to use 1cc. Once you have it in your syringe, pull it out of that bottle and pull out 1/4-1/2 a cc of your sterile oil. There is no set formula as you are just trying to dilute it down. If 1/4 cc works, great. Roll with that. If it still hurts then the next time draw out 1/2 cc sterile oil until you get to where it no longer hurts. It’s not complicated you are using the amount of gear you want but are making it more diluted and less painful with the sterile oil.

The type of oil does not matter. I used grape seed oil and my gear was not made with that. Any sterile injectable oil will work but my preference is either Grape seed or cotton seed.

 

[dieselbuilder]

@dieselbuilder how much benzyl benzoate is in your test prop

I think w your test prop most of your pip is coming from the benzyl benzoate to keep it soluble

my t400 has 20% benzyl benzoate which is also adding to the cause of the pip not just the high dose

diluting will do the same for the benzyl to help w the pip

I'm shopping for jars, oils and the filter syringe now

I thought about it and even if the filter syringe isn't needed what's a few bucks for a little bit of added protection

Hey bro did you try this yet? I just ordered 50ml of filtered grapeseed oil from a med supply store. I’m going to try it with the tp i have and see if i cant put it all to use

 

[workingclass]

Hey bro did you try this yet? I just ordered 50ml of filtered grapeseed oil from a med supply store. I’m going to try it with the tp i have and see if i cant put it all to use

wuts up dude, the wife and I were away on vacation for our baby moon so I’m just getting a chance to respond

I did do it and actually just did my first diluted pin today

by now I'm sure you already know but the first thing needed here is patience and a good tolerance for gh hand numbness holding the plunger back for so long lol
took me an hour to filter the 1 50ml jug of filtered grapeseed oil and hands were on fire the whole time
took so long mostly because I learned the filter is best used just once. after that it's like trying to pull dried concrete through it so just use a new filter each draw

showing the setup here for the next guy who wants to know how

10ml syringe > .22um syringe filter > 18g drawing needle
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sterile 50ml jug w (2) 18g drawing needles inserted into rubber stopper - one for filling and the other to release air pressure while filling

draw back and fill syringe w filtered oil (I only went to 8ml cuz after that it was almost a dead stop)
unscrew syringe filter and screw into filling needle on sterile jug

for the first pin I really wanna see how well this works so I went 1ml t400 and 1ml filtered oil and shook it up good in syringe
oddly I can already feel that it hurts much less after about 6hrs next two days I'll really know
and if it's still real painful and leaves a huge knot then I'll dilute the dose to 200mg in another jug w 10ml t400 and 10ml filtered oil

how's it working for you

 

[dieselbuilder]

wuts up dude, the wife and I were away on vacation for our baby moon so I’m just getting a chance to respond

I did do it and actually just did my first diluted pin today

by now I'm sure you already know but the first thing needed here is patience and a good tolerance for gh hand numbness holding the plunger back for so long lol
took me an hour to filter the 1 50ml jug of filtered grapeseed oil and hands were on fire the whole time
took so long mostly because I learned the filter is best used just once. after that it's like trying to pull dried concrete through it so just use a new filter each draw

showing the setup here for the next guy who wants to know how

10ml syringe > .22um syringe filter > 18g drawing needle
----------------
sterile 50ml jug w (2) 18g drawing needles inserted into rubber stopper - one for filling and the other to release air pressure while filling

draw back and fill syringe w filtered oil (I only went to 8ml cuz after that it was almost a dead stop)
unscrew syringe filter and screw into filling needle on sterile jug

for the first pin I really wanna see how well this works so I went 1ml t400 and 1ml filtered oil and shook it up good in syringe
oddly I can already feel that it hurts much less after about 6hrs next two days I'll really know
and if it's still real painful and leaves a huge knot then I'll dilute the dose to 200mg in another jug w 10ml t400 and 10ml filtered oil

how's it working for you

I haven’t tried it yet but any day now I will. I am thinking about not filtering it… hopefully that’s okay. Before when I was injecting the test prop it would get sore pretty quickly so I am sure I will know quickly if it works.

Keep me posted on yours. Thanks and congrats again on baby

 

[workingclass]

@dieselbuilder I read about a few dudes who said they don’t filter w success. real curious to hear how yours goes. pretty sure you and I got the exact same filtered grape seed oil too.

almost a full day later and I have some pip but nothing compared to what I would have w pinning .5ml of t400. hell, even when I was first trying to get my wife pregnant and pinning just 150mg t400 w a slin pin I wld get crazy pip.

so far so good cuz it’s nothing like that now. think i’m definitely gonna test out the 200mg dilution because no matter what this clearly works. i’ll report back

thanks again brother, baby and wife are both happy and healthy

 

[bigjay77]

wuts up dude, the wife and I were away on vacation for our baby moon so I’m just getting a chance to respond

I did do it and actually just did my first diluted pin today

by now I'm sure you already know but the first thing needed here is patience and a good tolerance for gh hand numbness holding the plunger back for so long lol
took me an hour to filter the 1 50ml jug of filtered grapeseed oil and hands were on fire the whole time
took so long mostly because I learned the filter is best used just once. after that it's like trying to pull dried concrete through it so just use a new filter each draw

showing the setup here for the next guy who wants to know how

10ml syringe > .22um syringe filter > 18g drawing needle
----------------
sterile 50ml jug w (2) 18g drawing needles inserted into rubber stopper - one for filling and the other to release air pressure while filling

draw back and fill syringe w filtered oil (I only went to 8ml cuz after that it was almost a dead stop)
unscrew syringe filter and screw into filling needle on sterile jug

for the first pin I really wanna see how well this works so I went 1ml t400 and 1ml filtered oil and shook it up good in syringe
oddly I can already feel that it hurts much less after about 6hrs next two days I'll really know
and if it's still real painful and leaves a huge knot then I'll dilute the dose to 200mg in another jug w 10ml t400 and 10ml filtered oil

how's it working for you

Use a larger syringe and a chalk gun to push the plunger. .22ug filters have different size membranes, a 33mm will flow faster than a smaller one, and warm the oil 100-110f.

 

[dieselbuilder]

@dieselbuilder I read about a few dudes who said they don’t filter w success. real curious to hear how yours goes. pretty sure you and I got the exact same filtered grape seed oil too.

almost a full day later and I have some pip but nothing compared to what I would have w pinning .5ml of t400. hell, even when I was first trying to get my wife pregnant and pinning just 150mg t400 w a slin pin I wld get crazy pip.

so far so good cuz it’s nothing like that now. think i’m definitely gonna test out the 200mg dilution because no matter what this clearly works. i’ll report back

thanks again brother, baby and wife are both happy and healthy

So you diluted t400 10ml with 10ml of the sterile gso?

 

[workingclass]

Use a larger syringe and a chalk gun to push the plunger. .22ug filters have different size membranes, a 33mm will flow faster than a smaller one, and warm the oil 100-110f.

it wasn't the pushing it was the pulling that was a bitch this is the filter I used

 

[workingclass]

So you diluted t400 10ml with 10ml of the sterile gso?

not yet but that’s what i’m doing next to make it 200mg/ml

last night I pinned a 1mg t400 and 1mg gso and shook it up in the syringe before pinning to see how it feels

 

[gib68sg]

it wasn't the pushing it was the pulling that was a bitch this is the filter I used

Next time look for PTFE hydrophobic filters. PES isn’t compatible with BB and it’s a “water loving” filter you used.

 

[gib68sg]

Just to add, draw the oil up in a syringe then attach the filter. Don’t draw it up through the filter. I’m just guessing that’s what you did based on you saying that was the difficult part. Filters are one way, you can damage the membrane drawing up through it.

If that’s not what you did, disregard and I’m sorry lol

 

[workingclass]

Just to add, draw the oil up in a syringe then attach the filter. Don’t draw it up through the filter. I’m just guessing that’s what you did based on you saying that was the difficult part. Filters are one way, you can damage the membrane drawing up through it.

If that’s not what you did, disregard and I’m sorry lol

gtfo! wow I got that wrong and I had already watched 2-3 videos on this idk how I f* that up

you think the filter had any effect at all

and thank you