NPP love it or not?

[madg]

Diet has been the same the last few months. Just fyi. I carb cycle and eat low fat daily.

been very bad on the diet this week, plus new job extra stress- will ask coach if I need to drop carbs first a week or two to tighten up. Weight this am 206.5, but I’m holding water from a high day plus (another reason I lowered the Reta dose- gastric emptying got to slow).

 

[OldManLogan]

Also, let me add something-

Bodybuilding is not philosophical endeavor i see too much talking analyzing and writing and little doing

You binged on shit and even if you didnt wrote it i know from your pics cause i know bodybuild

You need be able look yourself in mirror and aknowledge when you fuck up and not blame on npp or whatever , only then will advance forward

Tough love cause this tren im on is the bomb

Fuck, I hadn’t even considered the BP change from food and forgotten about last week! Tough love indeed, you’re out of line but you’re right!

The other thing I don’t know and I’m trying to find out- does your body react to the addition of NPP and then adjusts back to a baseline a few days/weeks later? Like when I upped my GH dose, there were a couple of weeks of extra water retention that eventually disappeared- is this a similar scenario?

 

[luki7788]

Diet has been the same the last few months. Just fyi. I carb cycle and eat low fat daily.

Bro, I don't know because I'm following your blog. I just replied to @madg comment - It was just a joke between us, referring to situations like this because people often do it, not directed at you personally. I know you have ADHD and can take everything too seriously, so don't worry, it's nothing personal

 

[luki7788]

Also, let me add something-
Fuck, I hadn’t even considered the BP change from food and forgotten about last week! Tough love indeed, you’re out of line but you’re right!

The other thing I don’t know and I’m trying to find out- does your body react to the addition of NPP and then adjusts back to a baseline a few days/weeks later? Like when I upped my GH dose, there were a couple of weeks of extra water retention that eventually disappeared- is this a similar scenario?

I would ask your coach first, as he is the person who knows your overall situation best - so it's logical that he would give you the best answer because he knows exactly what you do.

 

[OldManLogan]

Bro, I don't know because I'm following your blog. I just replied to @madg comment - It was just a joke between us, referring to situations like this because people often do it, not directed at you personally. I know you have ADHD and can take everything too seriously, so don't worry, it's nothing personal

I know, it’s ok!!! humor sometimes is hard to express when just typing a response! No worries!

 

[yellowbird1]

I know, it’s ok!!! humor sometimes is hard to express when just typing a response! No worries!

Nandrolone always increases my BP too. I'm fine up to 300mg but 400mg+ and BP is going up. I'll have to use telmisartan, amlodipine/cilnidipine, and maybe nebivolol and keep magnesium high. These days I just stay in the 100-200mg range

 

[BigLittleJoe2]

I'll add that NPP is a great way when u are going to stop taking tren, the comedown isn't as noticeable.

Are you referring to the physical or psychological “comedown” when you stop taking tren?

 

[madg]

I know, it’s ok!!! humor sometimes is hard to express when just typing a response! No worries!

You know we love you

 

[Josefein421]

Dude lol. I just looked at your log. "diet has been very bad this week" plus new stress... but it's all the 30mg (barely 150mg in when you posted this) NPP? Come on man seriously? You and another that come to mind... the do you guys think before you post? Luki has given you 2 guys more personal attention lately yet these posts just keep coming

 

[kadafi2]

Are you referring to the physical or psychological “comedown” when you stop taking tren?

Of course, I'm mainly referring to the physical aspect, but I also have some mental aspects. I'll try to explain it simply.

You stop taking Trenbolone and immediately switch to NPP. This will help maintain the muscle mass and density that Trenbolone gave us. Of course, at this point, trenbolone metabolites are still circulating in the blood, but after a month of stopping Trenbolone, you should notice that a lot of the physique Trenbolone gave us remains. If I had to put numbers on it, I'd say 60%-70%. Sleep also improves, and all of this makes for a huge motivation to train. I haven't trained as hard and well as I did when switching to NPP after Trenbolone. This also has an indirect effect on my mental health.

This is, of course, just my opinion, but a former bodybuilder gave me this advice: NPP is best when stopping Trenbolone. Maybe because both are 19Nor. Deca too, but it's more likely to "dilute" our appearance. Many people say NPP gives a drier appearance. Apparently, it's a rather unique steroid? So if someone is afraid to stop taking Trenbolone for fear of losing their appearance, it's worth a try.

 

[OldManLogan]

Dude lol. I just looked at your log. "diet has been very bad this week" plus new stress... but it's all the 30mg (barely 150mg in when you posted this) NPP? Come on man seriously? You and another that come to mind... the do you guys think before you post? Luki has given you 2 guys more personal attention lately yet these posts just keep coming

Sorry. I’m dumb but adorable, I can’t help it.
Love you too, brother- and I’m not being sarcastic- I’ll take my licks when I deserve them.

More seriously- it very well could be a perfect storm/ combo of all these factors- 2 or 3 things could be true at once, you know?

 

[LATS]

I think we've all gotten used to all the topics @OldManLogan started

Personally in the past I used to love nandrolone and could use 700-1000mg of nandrolone per week very often without any problems. Today, everything has changed, and I can't stand it. And honestly, I don't recommend it for an old guy like you as a primary anabolic steroid unless you want to use it at a low dose, like 50-100mg per week, for joints.

Don't get me wrong, but in 90% of cases, nandrolone simply doesn't react well with the body as you get older.

This.. even taking low dose for joints its a bad ride for me.. first week.. great .. second week.. still doable.. third weak my purple helmeted warrior of passion just wants to lay in his hammock .. my mood gets a bit pissy.. Just not worth it.. used to love it..

 

[OldManLogan]

FWIW- skipped the NPP today, lowered my sodium intake, hydrated properly- BP this am was 118/85, by tonight it’s now down to 115/79.

So - combined factors in my honest but novice opinion.

I think I’ll continue with the NPP while dialing in sodium, food and water intake, and see what happens over the next week or two.

 

[FrenchBench22]

FWIW- skipped the NPP today, lowered my sodium intake, hydrated properly- BP this am was 118/85, by tonight it’s now down to 115/79.

So - combined factors in my honest but novice opinion.

I think I’ll continue with the NPP while dialing in sodium, food and water intake, and see what happens over the next week or two.

I'm not your coach and I'm not trying to give you advice, but I am genuinely curious of your logic -

But how can you expect to know what the nandrolone is doing if you're also changing THREE other factors at the same time?
And you've previously stated that your nutrition and electrolytes are already well maintained and consistent, so how is there now suddenly room for further improvement? Adding the nandrolone, or any other single change, should be icing on the cake that you've already baked - not a whole new cake recipe.

I do daily fasted cardio, steady sodium intake , good hydration and watch my potassium overall

Diet has been the same the last few months. Just fyi. I carb cycle and eat low fat daily.

 

[OldManLogan]

I'm not your coach and I'm not trying to give you advice, but I am genuinely curious of your logic -

But how can you expect to know what the nandrolone is doing if you're also changing THREE other factors at the same time?
And you've previously stated that your nutrition and electrolytes are already well maintained and consistent, so how is there now suddenly room for further improvement? Adding the nandrolone, or any other single change, should be icing on the cake that you've already baked - not a whole new cake recipe.

I agree with you, I’m manipulating three factors to see if I can drop the BP to a normal range first. That’s my priority. Seems like I can.

Today, I’m adding the NPP back in, and only making sure that my diet, sodium and hydration are on point for the duration. I’ll take readings and see what happens, and I’ll repeat this over the next week or so with NPP.

My diet this week has been 100% better than last also, so that removes another potential factor. Now it’s a matter of keeping diet, hydration and sodium intake consistent- and seeing what happens over the next few days with NPP.

Think about it, I need to dial the lifestyle things in anyway no matter what. This should give me a consistent baseline in line with my goals. Then we can observe results over time.

 

[ironmaster73]

Of course, I'm mainly referring to the physical aspect, but I also have some mental aspects. I'll try to explain it simply.

You stop taking Trenbolone and immediately switch to NPP. This will help maintain the muscle mass and density that Trenbolone gave us. Of course, at this point, trenbolone metabolites are still circulating in the blood, but after a month of stopping Trenbolone, you should notice that a lot of the physique Trenbolone gave us remains. If I had to put numbers on it, I'd say 60%-70%. Sleep also improves, and all of this makes for a huge motivation to train. I haven't trained as hard and well as I did when switching to NPP after Trenbolone. This also has an indirect effect on my mental health.

This is, of course, just my opinion, but a former bodybuilder gave me this advice: NPP is best when stopping Trenbolone. Maybe because both are 19Nor. Deca too, but it's more likely to "dilute" our appearance. Many people say NPP gives a drier appearance. Apparently, it's a rather unique steroid? So if someone is afraid to stop taking Trenbolone for fear of losing their appearance, it's worth a try.

Interesting. I have tried many compounds to add after a run of tren but never thought to use NPP. With that said I have found Mast is good to layer in after a run of tren.

 

[Mufasa123]

So primo, tren, and nandrolone are all very different. A quick transition exacerbates issues/differences and adds more stress to body as some things are moving in reverse now to accelerate in other direction. Water particularly where tren or primo dries you some stopping them will see water increase. Npp is Wetter so that is also quickly increasing water.

Water is directly tied to BP, consider diuretics are often first line prescribed. Now your diet is off during this period too so even more water. Increase isn't horrible and may be totally attributable to multiple factors in transition rather than Npp in longer term steady state with good diet. Just too many levers all being pulled at once so you can't isolate to reach a conclusion. Don't worry, I've played this game too - even 2 levers and all of a sudden there's something you can't figure out. Is what it is. Takes time, experimentation, and data over time.

All that said, hgh and deca both will cause my rhr to increase and BP to rise when I first start. This will normalize later but I often will increase diuretic for an initial period if it happens. Later on no issues. Just me though and even my body changes with time too.

 

[kadafi2]

Interesting. I have tried many compounds to add after a run of tren but never thought to use NPP. With that said I have found Mast is good to layer in after a run of tren.

Yes, masteron is useful when coming off trenbolone and combines well with NPP. And if you were taking Test-Tren-Mast, i think you shouldn't discontinue mast after stopping trenbolone.

I'm curious if Proviron would make sense here, but I haven't tried anything like that.

 

[OldManLogan]

A week in, just noticed my first NPP side effect- my startle reflex is WAY higher/ more sensitive. Very similar to Tren, but not quite as strong- but it’s definitely there. Also get really annoyed at chewing sounds etc(mire irritable, I do have misophonia).

Interesting but way easier to handle than Tren, but also less euphoric than Tren. I guess this is what 19-Nors do to me.

 

[Brock456]

A week in, just noticed my first NPP side effect- my startle reflex is WAY higher/ more sensitive. Very similar to Tren, but not quite as strong- but it’s definitely there. Also get really annoyed at chewing sounds etc(mire irritable, I do have misophonia).

Interesting but way easier to handle than Tren, but also less euphoric than Tren. I guess this is what 19-Nors do to me.

Geez dude.
Do you notice your big toe nail seems to grow a little longer than your other toe nails?
Or that your ass hair grows longer than your arm hair? lol

You’re nitpicking at the littlest things. Startle reflex??????

Just inject that shit and grow!!!!!!!!!!!!