NPP love it or not?

[bigzzz]

NPP is honestly the "Goldilocks" of the nandrolone family for me. Deca is cool and all, but waiting three weeks for it to clear your system if your dick stops working or you turn into a weeping mess is a nightmare. With NPP, you get all those buttery smooth joint benefits and the thick, full look, but if the "Deca dick" or the mental side effects start creeping in, you can just pull the plug and be back to normal in a couple of days.

If you can't find Primo or Mast, NPP is a killer alternative for a lean bulk, but you gotta keep an eye on that prolactin. Some guys can run it with zero issues, and others get spicy nipples the second they pin it. I'd definitely keep some P5P or even a tiny bit of Caber on hand just in case. It’s way more versatile than EQ in my opinion because you don't have to worry about your hematocrit turning your blood into sludge or your anxiety hitting the roof. Definitely a solid "Plan B" that might end up becoming your favorite primary. Curious to see what kind of doses everyone else is running for that sweet spot!

EQ never gave me anxiety, NPP did. It's so personal .

 

[A50#]

I liked NPP but the ED effects, especially after coming off was VERY real. I'll never use it again just because of the sexual sides.

 

[d4ve]

Maybe I'll have to eat my words regarding NPP's similarity to Deca...

4 week "trial" of 100 NPP EoD, followed by 2 weeks of 125 Deca / 50 NPP EoD (kept NPP in at half dose for 2 weeks to account for the longer buildup time of Deca). Went from reasonably dry to a totally bloated midsection with RHR up 5-10 points.

TBH that could be due to a gradual buildup of nandrolone over 6 weeks, and maybe it's just happenstance that I felt the water come on when I was transitioning to Deca. In any case, I'm dropping nandrolone completely now. It didn't really give me any of the joint relief (knees) I was hoping for, and I doubt it's doing anything for hypertrophy that Test and EQ aren't already doing.

I'm sure it has some benefits for me, but they're not worth the bloat this point. Now that I've gone through a few 300 lb. offseasons my tolerance for carrying more water than necessary is LOW.

 

[yellowbird1]

NPP is honestly the "Goldilocks" of the nandrolone family for me. Deca is cool and all, but waiting three weeks for it to clear your system if your dick stops working or you turn into a weeping mess is a nightmare. With NPP, you get all those buttery smooth joint benefits and the thick, full look, but if the "Deca dick" or the mental side effects start creeping in, you can just pull the plug and be back to normal in a couple of days.

If you can't find Primo or Mast, NPP is a killer alternative for a lean bulk, but you gotta keep an eye on that prolactin. Some guys can run it with zero issues, and others get spicy nipples the second they pin it. I'd definitely keep some P5P or even a tiny bit of Caber on hand just in case. It’s way more versatile than EQ in my opinion because you don't have to worry about your hematocrit turning your blood into sludge or your anxiety hitting the roof. Definitely a solid "Plan B" that might end up becoming your favorite primary. Curious to see what kind of doses everyone else is running for that sweet spot!

I don't think npp halflife is that much different than deca. Type-IIx always said Phenylprop is closer to enanthate than prop. But I do think deca and npp feel very different. Deca=lazy, uninterested. Npp=horny, feel good.
I tried p5p and it did nothing to help prolactin for me other than give me a pins and needles feeling in my hands so I've completely written it off. I was the type of person that a day after an npp pin my nipples were on fire. I found e2 management was the secret and now I can run any dose of npp. Get your e2 under control and you won't have to worry about prolactin or dangerous drugs like caber.

 

[pimpman]

A week in, just noticed my first NPP side effect- my startle reflex is WAY higher/ more sensitive. Very similar to Tren, but not quite as strong- but it’s definitely there. Also get really annoyed at chewing sounds etc(mire irritable, I do have misophonia).

Interesting but way easier to handle than Tren, but also less euphoric than Tren. I guess this is what 19-Nors do to me.

Nothing against you man. But you wayyyyy over think things to much. At your age it’s not a good idea to take all the thing you have or are. You started this game way too late and now you’re trying to catch up for time lost. Tren at your age is crazy. I can’t believe you even went that way.

To each its own. If I was you and at that age I be happy with what I have at this point. The only thing I be chasing is health and happiness

 

[OldManLogan]

Nothing against you man. But you wayyyyy over think things to much. At your age it’s not a good idea to take all the thing you have or are. You started this game way too late and now you’re trying to catch up for time lost. Tren at your age is crazy. I can’t believe you even went that way.

To each its own. If I was you and at that age I be happy with what I have at this point. The only thing I be chasing is health and happiness

I actually appreciate the kind words and advice , man. Absolutely understand and respect your viewpoint, we just have different philosophies and goals.
To each their own indeed.
Btw this would not be the first bad decision algorithm I make (if things go south) - but I need to live life without ever thinking “man, I wish I had done X”- that would drive me literally insane.

Again, much respect and thank you for the advice- it shows you care, sir.

 

[Goodfella1988]

I've had several extensive surgeries on both my legs and I can say when I dont use a little deca (150mg week) or npp, I really truly notice it on my joints and if I dont use either one, things begin to ache quite bad in the mornings and into the rest of the day. I've never used winstrol before but always heard guys speak of how it feels like your joints are glass ect, thats basically how I feel without a little of any nandrolone in my system. I never noticed any of the benefits of any nandrolone while I was in my 20's, but now 10+ years later I really notice a big difference.

That being said, I prefer NPP over deca, as NPP can avoid the bloating and feel it can maybe pack a bit more punch of strength than deca.

 

[pimpman]

I actually appreciate the kind words and advice , man. Absolutely understand and respect your viewpoint, we just have different philosophies and goals.
To each their own indeed.
Btw this would not be the first bad decision algorithm I make (if things go south) - but I need to live life without ever thinking “man, I wish I had done X”- that would drive me literally insane.

Again, much respect and thank you for the advice- it shows you care, sir.

Actually I do care man. You are not a bad guy.And don’t have bad intentions. But you sure come up with some things that make most here say HUHHH

In all seriousness I don’t mean any disrespect or step on your toes. You are right we all have different philosophies and goals.

For your age you look great and I have seen a big change in your physique since you first came on here.

But sometimes we get lost in our own mind and chase something that will never happen and forget the part of the damage we are doing to the body by chasing XYZ.


We only wake up or realize what we doing when your health + heart goes south then we rethink. Man why did I take all that to get muscles.What good is it for me know . Look my health is shit now.

And then most of the time it’s too late. I’m in no way telling you what to do. We are all grown ass man here. But me personally I always think of my family. And say man if I go they going to be missing me and saying he still be here if he was always trying to get muscle and taking aas. They love you no matter what you look like.

I just want to make it clear. I have nothing against you or dislike you. I just shake my head once in a while when you post something

 

[Josefein421]

I am glad to see this thread bumped as I was just thinking of commenting.

Been on 400mg NPP a week with 1000mg Sust for 4 weeks now. Libido is bonkers. Tren like, as in almost insatiable and far filthier than normal lol. Slight sleep disturbance which I am attributing to the most interesting thing... I have noticed a marked difference in the effect of my marijuana vaping before bed. It does not put me to sleep like otherwise. I feel like I took too much Benadryl... like spacey and heavy but wide awake and clear thought. Nothing terrible. Just found it interesting.

No water gain. Strength is going great. BP/HR stayed the same. Curious if the libido and some of the other mental effects... dopamine chasing... are directly from the NPP but I never got anything like that from 600mg Deca. To note I trust this source much mjuch more than my long time past one. So I am also curious if perhaps I was underdosing before and now is more accurate.

Either way, so far the pros are outweighing the cons but I am not sure I would go higher.

 

[mexbeast]

I am glad to see this thread bumped as I was just thinking of commenting.

Been on 400mg NPP a week with 1000mg Sust for 4 weeks now. Libido is bonkers. Tren like, as in almost insatiable and far filthier than normal lol. Slight sleep disturbance which I am attributing to the most interesting thing... I have noticed a marked difference in the effect of my marijuana vaping before bed. It does not put me to sleep like otherwise. I feel like I took too much Benadryl... like spacey and heavy but wide awake and clear thought. Nothing terrible. Just found it interesting.

No water gain. Strength is going great. BP/HR stayed the same. Curious if the libido and some of the other mental effects... dopamine chasing... are directly from the NPP but I never got anything like that from 600mg Deca. To note I trust this source much mjuch more than my long time past one. So I am also curious if perhaps I was underdosing before and now is more accurate.

Either way, so far the pros are outweighing the cons but I am not sure I would go higher.

Eventually we will all agree that esters do play a role in the effects of a drug, npp is not deca!

 

[OldManLogan]

I am glad to see this thread bumped as I was just thinking of commenting.

Been on 400mg NPP a week with 1000mg Sust for 4 weeks now. Libido is bonkers. Tren like, as in almost insatiable and far filthier than normal lol. Slight sleep disturbance which I am attributing to the most interesting thing... I have noticed a marked difference in the effect of my marijuana vaping before bed. It does not put me to sleep like otherwise. I feel like I took too much Benadryl... like spacey and heavy but wide awake and clear thought. Nothing terrible. Just found it interesting.

No water gain. Strength is going great. BP/HR stayed the same. Curious if the libido and some of the other mental effects... dopamine chasing... are directly from the NPP but I never got anything like that from 600mg Deca. To note I trust this source much mjuch more than my long time past one. So I am also curious if perhaps I was underdosing before and now is more accurate.

Either way, so far the pros are outweighing the cons but I am not sure I would go higher.

You might be overthinking this a bit….

 

[mimiki]

brintellix can help a lot with npp to avoid lettargy ,brain fog. Guys u should read more about drug type SSRI to add to your cycle for avoid sides

 

[dieselbuilder]

brintellix can help a lot with npp to avoid lettargy ,brain fog. Guys u should read more about drug type SSRI to add to your cycle for avoid sides

I’m curious to see the response of PM members regarding using SSRIs to avoid mental sides…

 

[mimiki]

only if education of this level is enough , i was learn from my friend who is psychiatric, some SSRI are mild , i dont talk about Xanax etc, but check for example brintellix what it do vs side effect, or fluvoxamine or even pregabaline what is most popular PRO used. I believe they use it to avoid sides like tren toxicity on hipocamp etc

 

[mimiki]

used tren ace in high dose like 700mg + week without any SSRI can be super toxic for your brain for histamine, Gaba, norandrenaline and heart rate, ur HRV will be low in one digit than 50+

 

[Kauto_star]

I would genuinely love to run NPP but pretty scared of doing so as I use Duta / Fin and that seems like a big no no

 

[Brock456]

brintellix can help a lot with npp to avoid lettargy ,brain fog. Guys u should read more about drug type SSRI to add to your cycle for avoid sides

You should prob introduce yourself on the forum and maybe read the stickies before giving out crazy advice on here on your first day here…..

 

[OldManLogan]

Ok I’m now done with my first run of NPP in a rebound/ growth phase. Here’s a newbs review-

and no, it did not raise my flight/ flight response like Tren did, let’s get that out way for my smartass friends here… you know who you are, and I still love you in a purely fraternal and platonic way, ok?

Man, do I love the results. Look at my progress pics from January this year to now. This is as a 54 year old man with I assume average genetics.

Love the look, fuller but didn’t look like a water balloon- nice!!!

Cycle was 600 test c, 210 primo, 210 NPP (I do daily shots)- 5 iu GH no other stuff except very infrequently (5 times total) Anadrol 50mg as a preworkout and the same on other infrequent days Anavar 25mg. Diet, sleep and training were probably 95% on point.

Noticed I definitely retained more water than on other cycles. Also raised my BP from average 120/78 to 135-138/ 82-85.

Definitely helped with joint lubrication. No mental sides at all.

Would I use it again? Fuck yes I would. Next time I might do 140mg / 20 mg ED though (in conjunction with test and primo as I did before) to see if I can reduce or eliminate that BP spike. I’m super paranoid about BP because I have only 1 kidney.

So there it is, fwiw…

 

[Josefein421]

I’m curious to see the response of PM members regarding using SSRIs to avoid mental sides…

Who is doing this? Terrible idea.

 

[Brock456]

Ok I’m now done with my first run of NPP in a rebound/ growth phase. Here’s a newbs review-

and no, it did not raise my flight/ flight response like Tren did, let’s get that out way for my smartass friends here… you know who you are, and I still love you in a purely fraternal and platonic way, ok?

Man, do I love the results. Look at my progress pics from January this year to now. This is as a 54 year old man with I assume average genetics.

Love the look, fuller but didn’t look like a water balloon- nice!!!

Cycle was 600 test c, 210 primo, 210 NPP (I do daily shots)- 5 iu GH no other stuff except very infrequently (5 times total) Anadrol 50mg as a preworkout and the same on other infrequent days Anavar 25mg. Diet, sleep and training were probably 95% on point.

Noticed I definitely retained more water than on other cycles. Also raised my BP from average 120/78 to 135-138/ 82-85.

Definitely helped with joint lubrication. No mental sides at all.

Would I use it again? Fuck yes I would. Next time I might do 140mg / 20 mg ED though (in conjunction with test and primo as I did before) to see if I can reduce or eliminate that BP spike. I’m super paranoid about BP because I have only 1 kidney.

So there it is, fwiw…

210mg/week is a pretty low dose in my opinion. I usually run 600-800mg/week but if you get results from that low, better for you