O/T-Loose Change.....

[Magnolia5]

Anyone ever watched it??? Alot of crazy stuff on that video....

 

[jalsmiley]

i watched the history channel show that had experts debunk every claim on that video, and since i was standing below the tower watching the plane hit it made me laugh when they claimed bombs made the tower fall and wasnt the planes

 

[Magnolia5]

well im sure the planes had something to do with the towers falling,but if u watch the loose change film,they show alot of stuff will make you think. Some of the things that went on month or two before 9/11. Im not saying anything was set up,just saying some of the stuff is pretty weird.

 

[kingpeon]

The damage done at the Pentagon makes the US Government lose all credibility, in my book. Any moron can see that a commercial jet did not hit it.

 

[DinoHeavyD]

Every plane should have been shot down by fighter jets way before they ever got close to NY or DC. It is an inexcusable, impossible fuck up in US air defense. A radio control toy plane would have been shot down coming close to such tightly controlled air space. Any plane coming near NY or DC that doesnt identify itself will be visited by F16s in minutes. There were so many things that happened on that day that dont add up. Why would the government tell the people the truth about it? It was a huge fuck up for the government, yet they didn't take any blame. Where are the black box flight recorders? Alot of people profitted heavily from the "attack". The governments "investigation" was anything but. Building 7 was clearly a controlled demolition. Who attached to the government actually has any spine at all? Are there any super powerful elites in the US that believe the people should know the truth? None of the major players in positions of intelligence and power strike me as being the least bit honest. Some people gained so much from 911, to these people 3000 lowly civilians mean nothing.

 

[kingpeon]

Every plane should have been shot down by fighter jets way before they ever got close to NY or DC. It is an inexcusable, impossible fuck up in US air defense. A radio control toy plane would have been shot down coming close to such tightly controlled air space. Any plane coming near NY or DC that doesnt identify itself will be visited by F16s in minutes. There were so many things that happened on that day that dont add up. Why would the government tell the people the truth about it? It was a huge fuck up for the government, yet they didn't take any blame. Where are the black box flight recorders? Alot of people profitted heavily from the "attack". The governments "investigation" was anything but. Building 7 was clearly a controlled demolition. Who attached to the government actually has any spine at all? Are there any super powerful elites in the US that believe the people should know the truth? None of the major players in positions of intelligence and power strike me as being the least bit honest. Some people gained so much from 911, to these people 3000 lowly civilians mean nothing.

Exactly!! It was a vulgar display of the Bush administration's power. They think we are stupid and/or they couldn't care less what we think. The agenda will proceed.

 

[Magnolia5]

I agree with both of yall^^^

If you havent watched the film loose change you should, the stuff they talk about isn't made up,they have experts and reports that back what they say.

 

[jalsmiley]

I agree with both of yall^^^

If you havent watched the film loose change you should, the stuff they talk about isn't made up,they have experts and reports that back what they say.

guys...look up the upcoming schedule on the history channel and watch the show the debunks all of this...they actually have clips of the people who made loose change now scrambleing to make up other stuff because their original stuff was so easily debunked...coming from the makers themselves!!! so please dont fall prey to them...they even admit it was sort of a joke at first to say it was a massive conspiracy and then it got such a huge following they went full steam with it and made like it was for real!

 

[jalsmiley]

Every plane should have been shot down by fighter jets way before they ever got close to NY or DC. It is an inexcusable, impossible fuck up in US air defense. A radio control toy plane would have been shot down coming close to such tightly controlled air space. Any plane coming near NY or DC that doesnt identify itself will be visited by F16s in minutes. There were so many things that happened on that day that dont add up. Why would the government tell the people the truth about it? It was a huge fuck up for the government, yet they didn't take any blame. Where are the black box flight recorders? Alot of people profitted heavily from the "attack". The governments "investigation" was anything but. Building 7 was clearly a controlled demolition. Who attached to the government actually has any spine at all? Are there any super powerful elites in the US that believe the people should know the truth? None of the major players in positions of intelligence and power strike me as being the least bit honest. Some people gained so much from 911, to these people 3000 lowly civilians mean nothing.

remember these were commercial jetliners that were already in us air space..not some foreign or unknown planes coming from outside, also who is going to make the call to blow up 300 citizens in a plane in a flash second...imagine having that control...again watch the history channel show and they clearly show why these planes werent shot down

 

[jalsmiley]

The damage done at the Pentagon makes the US Government lose all credibility, in my book. Any moron can see that a commercial jet did not hit it.

they clearly show the pentagon was hit by plane in this program

 

[Tom]

explain

they clearly show the pentagon was hit by plane in this program

can you explain why in all the history of plane crashes this was the only instance in which the black boxes were never recovered? please check out the episode on 9/11 on the program conspiracy theory with jesse ventura. i believe it is available in 4 parts or so on youtube. it is a very well done program on tru-tv wednesday nights at 10 pm.

YouTube - Conspiracy Theory 9/11 Jesse Ventura Part 1 of 4 Episode 2
YouTube - Conspiracy Theory 9/11 Jesse Ventura Part 2 of 4 Episode 2
YouTube - Conspiracy Theory 9/11 Jesse Ventura Part 3 of 4 Episode 2
YouTube - Conspiracy Theory 9/11 Jesse Ventura Part 4 of 4

 

[DinoHeavyD]

remember these were commercial jetliners that were already in us air space..not some foreign or unknown planes coming from outside, also who is going to make the call to blow up 300 citizens in a plane in a flash second...imagine having that control...again watch the history channel show and they clearly show why these planes werent shot down

The History channel is the Establishment! It doesnt get any more establishment than history channel, look at who owns it. The history channel is nothing but propaganda. The history channel doesnt even have much to do with real history. The history channel shows history through a very narrow lens. Anyway, most of the 911 truth movement is controlled opposition. It is controlled by the perpetrators so that real opposition doesnt exist.

 

[jalsmiley]

The History channel is the Establishment! It doesnt get any more establishment than history channel, look at who owns it. The history channel is nothing but propaganda. The history channel doesnt even have much to do with real history. The history channel shows history through a very narrow lens. Anyway, most of the 911 truth movement is controlled opposition. It is controlled by the perpetrators so that real opposition doesnt exist.

sorry man..but i was there...i ran from the building as it fell...there was no "controlled demo" there was no faked govt recordings of the people who called from the plane that went down in PA...it was proven that the cell phones worked at that altitude and that most of the calls came in from the satellite phones from the seat backs anyway...its a disgrace and an insult to peoples intelligence

 

[jalsmiley]

The History channel is the Establishment! It doesnt get any more establishment than history channel, look at who owns it. The history channel is nothing but propaganda. The history channel doesnt even have much to do with real history. The history channel shows history through a very narrow lens. Anyway, most of the 911 truth movement is controlled opposition. It is controlled by the perpetrators so that real opposition doesnt exist.

i just looked at who owns the history channel...the hearst corp, disney corp..etc etc...FAR from the "establishment"!!!! dude are you serious!? unless dick cheney is mickey mouse in disguise!!!

 

[jalsmiley]

can you explain why in all the history of plane crashes this was the only instance in which the black boxes were never recovered? please check out the episode on 9/11 on the program conspiracy theory with jesse ventura. i believe it is available in 4 parts or so on youtube. it is a very well done program on tru-tv wednesday nights at 10 pm.

YouTube - Conspiracy Theory 9/11 Jesse Ventura Part 1 of 4 Episode 2
YouTube - Conspiracy Theory 9/11 Jesse Ventura Part 2 of 4 Episode 2
YouTube - Conspiracy Theory 9/11 Jesse Ventura Part 3 of 4 Episode 2
YouTube - Conspiracy Theory 9/11 Jesse Ventura Part 4 of 4

i watched one of his shows...he streches the shit out of facts and statemens like crazy in that show to support his points...it is TV and entertainment for the most part...what is the black box gonna prove...they have multiple radars towers watching the planes...it wasnt like it was the plane that went down over the atlantic where radar wasnt monitoring it and they need the black box to find out what happened..this went down over the us...imagine the amount of people that would have to be in on the scam to make conspiracy true...just aint gonna happen

 

[Tom]

This is Fact

Operation Northwoods
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Operation Northwoods memorandum (March 13, 1962).[1]Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false-flag plan, proposed within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for CIA or other operatives to commit apparent acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Castro-led Cuba. One plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

This operation is especially notable in that it included plans for hijackings and bombings followed by the use of phony evidence that would blame the terrorist acts on a foreign government, namely Cuba.

The plan stated:

""

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

""

Operation Northwoods was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and signed by then-Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer, and sent to the Secretary of Defense.

Several other proposals were listed, including the real or simulated actions against various U.S military and civilian targets. Operation Northwoods was part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project (Operation Mongoose) anti-Castro initiative. It was never officially accepted or executed.

Golf of Tonkin was staged to get the U.S. into the Viet Nam war.

It is well documented they knew about Pearl Harbor and let it happen so the U.S. could go to war with Japan.

Why is it so hard to believe that 9/11 was not a ploy to go to war with Iraq and afghanistan?

 

[DinoHeavyD]

i just looked at who owns the history channel...the hearst corp, disney corp..etc etc...FAR from the "establishment"!!!! dude are you serious!? unless dick cheney is mickey mouse in disguise!!!

You dont think that a massive corporation with incredible power counts as being part of the establishment? The history channel is one of the biggest players in media today. It has the power to completely mold peoples perception of reality, past and present. In todays society where most people get all of their information and education from the TV, History channel is in a very powerful position. If you know anything about real history it is plain to see how much of a propaganda outlet history channel is.

 

[Conan21]

Loose change. I don't like the things they focus on in the videos, although they do raise some very valid questions. There is a lot more incriminating evidence that they could focus on that they deliberately avoid because it would offend Alex Jones wife's nationality.

With this debate you have three groups of people:
1)people who raise some questions about the events of 9/11
2)The people who OWN the media, hand picking people to give their debunking opinions.
3)And then you have the public sheep who watch a 30 minute video and feel they are educated on the subject. (usually believing what ever main stream says)


It is fact that Israel had Mossad agents following all these guys around watching them. It is a fact that mossad agents were filming the towers before they were hit and then were celebrating once they were hit. They caused such a spectacle of themselves that they were arrested and detained. Mossad agents were driving vans around with explosives pretending to be arab muslims. Who knows what they were going to do...luckily they were arrested and detained before they did anything. they all failed lie detector tests regarding their prior knowledge of the attacks and then Michael Chertoff, head of the justice department's terrorism task force and JEW himself, classified the case and the quietly sent these people back to Israel. Fox news even reported on this and then the media vampires quickly made sure it wasn't talked about again on TV.

 

[jalsmiley]

You dont think that a massive corporation with incredible power counts as being part of the establishment? The history channel is one of the biggest players in media today. It has the power to completely mold peoples perception of reality, past and present. In todays society where most people get all of their information and education from the TV, History channel is in a very powerful position. If you know anything about real history it is plain to see how much of a propaganda outlet history channel is.

they are totally liberal companies...hearst owns f'in fashion magazines and disney was cbs and lot of other liberal co's...and actually it was popular mechanics magazine that did the piece on debunking EVERYTHING in loose change..now popular mechanics is some huge establishment....i hope you are bustin my chops with these point of views...cause if you really believe that that many people can keep there mouth shut about such a huge event then you got way more faith in man then there is

also where is the link between corps who profit from the war and these companies who own history ch!!??

 

[jalsmiley]

Operation Northwoods
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

Operation Northwoods memorandum (March 13, 1962).[1]Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false-flag plan, proposed within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for CIA or other operatives to commit apparent acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Castro-led Cuba. One plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

This operation is especially notable in that it included plans for hijackings and bombings followed by the use of phony evidence that would blame the terrorist acts on a foreign government, namely Cuba.

The plan stated:

""

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

""

Operation Northwoods was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and signed by then-Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer, and sent to the Secretary of Defense.

Several other proposals were listed, including the real or simulated actions against various U.S military and civilian targets. Operation Northwoods was part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project (Operation Mongoose) anti-Castro initiative. It was never officially accepted or executed.

Golf of Tonkin was staged to get the U.S. into the Viet Nam war.

It is well documented they knew about Pearl Harbor and let it happen so the U.S. could go to war with Japan.

Why is it so hard to believe that 9/11 was not a ploy to go to war with Iraq and afghanistan?

thought up by the genius gbush!? ha...think about it...way too many moving parts to keep secret...no way all the 1000's of people that it would take to organize such a thing could keep it all secret...its just not possible