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Offseason Fat Content

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When you’re eating 1000+ grams of carbs in the offseason, most of your meals are gonna be carb heavy by nature and you’re likely using a basal insulin to shuttle some of these carbs.

In which meal would you put the majority of your fat content? Do you even account for this? Or are you keeping fats as low as possible each meal?
 
In fact, this question has been asked hundreds of times on the forum and hundreds of people keep asking it both here and on social media, looking for a magic recipe that doesn't exist.

The main question is: why do you need extra fat when you're already eating 1000 g of carbs?
If you're eating 1,000 g of carbs and, let's say, 250-300 g of protein, then even without adding any extra fats, your total fat intake will still probably be around 50 g per day, even if you're eating very low-fat foods like rice, cream of rice, lean meats, etc. You'll almost certainly have some oats, chicken, and other foods that naturally contain small amounts of fat.

Then add 10 g of EPA + DHA from fish oil, and you're already at 60 g or more of total fat per day. In my opinion, that's more than enough for someone using PEDs, since your hormones aren't relying on dietary fat the way they do naturally. It's also enough for all the important physiological functions, including the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins like A, D, E, and K.

Personally, I simply put the omega-3 with the first and last meal, because those are the meals where I usually have people take most of their vitamins and minerals. If you're eating foods like whole eggs or oats, I'd also place them in the first or last meal, together with your vitamin supplements.

Don't complicate - keep it simple.
 
In fact, this question has been asked hundreds of times on the forum and hundreds of people keep asking it both here and on social media, looking for a magic recipe that doesn't exist.

The main question is: why do you need extra fat when you're already eating 1000 g of carbs?
If you're eating 1,000 g of carbs and, let's say, 250-300 g of protein, then even without adding any extra fats, your total fat intake will still probably be around 50 g per day, even if you're eating very low-fat foods like rice, cream of rice, lean meats, etc. You'll almost certainly have some oats, chicken, and other foods that naturally contain small amounts of fat.

Then add 10 g of EPA + DHA from fish oil, and you're already at 60 g or more of total fat per day. In my opinion, that's more than enough for someone using PEDs, since your hormones aren't relying on dietary fat the way they do naturally. It's also enough for all the important physiological functions, including the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins like A, D, E, and K.

Personally, I simply put the omega-3 with the first and last meal, because those are the meals where I usually have people take most of their vitamins and minerals. If you're eating foods like whole eggs or oats, I'd also place them in the first or last meal, together with your vitamin supplements.

Don't complicate - keep it simple.
I actually don’t eat eggs or oats due to intolerances, so even with trace fats from my lean meats my totals usually add up to less than 30g per day. My highest fat source is 97/3 venison at 10oz per day so it got me thinking if my fats are just too low on my plan
 
When you’re eating 1000+ grams of carbs in the offseason, most of your meals are gonna be carb heavy by nature and you’re likely using a basal insulin to shuttle some of these carbs.

In which meal would you put the majority of your fat content? Do you even account for this? Or are you keeping fats as low as possible each meal?
I remember you said you were working with Ginger Josh, what was his approach with fats in the offseason?
 
I remember you said you were working with Ginger Josh, what was his approach with fats in the offseason?
Pretty low as well! Closer to 40-45g but it was just an adjustment to what I was already doing. Would just throw in maybe 5-10g of an oil here and there to slow down the digestibility of a meal but we never got past 5k calories. It’s a different ball game when you’re pounding 1k+ cals every 2hrs, I want as little fats as possible to get things moving quicker.


Hell, I’m a huge fan of high protein servings per meal but I’ve debate dropping down to 7-8oz from 10-12oz and putting the rest into honey and rice cakes so there’s less meats to digest between meals. My smallest meal of the day is my preworkout meal at 7oz turkey and it’s probably my best digesting meal.


Currently eating 350g pro at 220lbs
 
Pretty low as well! Closer to 40-45g but it was just an adjustment to what I was already doing. Would just throw in maybe 5-10g of an oil here and there to slow down the digestibility of a meal but we never got past 5k calories. It’s a different ball game when you’re pounding 1k+ cals every 2hrs, I want as little fats as possible to get things moving quicker.


Hell, I’m a huge fan of high protein servings per meal but I’ve debate dropping down to 7-8oz from 10-12oz and putting the rest into honey and rice cakes so there’s less meats to digest between meals. My smallest meal of the day is my preworkout meal at 7oz turkey and it’s probably my best digesting meal.


Currently eating 350g pro at 220lbs

Man yeah that’s quite a bit of food talking upwards of 6k calories and at 220lbs

How do you feel eating that amount?

Do you feel you’re utilising it all
 
Man yeah that’s quite a bit of food talking upwards of 6k calories and at 220lbs

How do you feel eating that amount?

Do you feel you’re utilising it all
It’s been a bit of experimenting. I can’t tolerate any sort of wheat product including sourdough at these calories and limit my veggies to 50g per meal. My carb variety is rice, rice cakes, maybe a rice based cereal if I’m short on time, all fruits possible, grits and cor.

Shrimp is also a godsend since it has so little connective tissue to chew through. Just being very intentional with food selection has help keep me hungry for my next meal this offseason


Also zero chance I ever go out for an offplan meal. No leeway here cause the chance for indigestion isn’t worth treating myself
 
Pretty low as well! Closer to 40-45g but it was just an adjustment to what I was already doing. Would just throw in maybe 5-10g of an oil here and there to slow down the digestibility of a meal but we never got past 5k calories. It’s a different ball game when you’re pounding 1k+ cals every 2hrs, I want as little fats as possible to get things moving quicker.


Hell, I’m a huge fan of high protein servings per meal but I’ve debate dropping down to 7-8oz from 10-12oz and putting the rest into honey and rice cakes so there’s less meats to digest between meals. My smallest meal of the day is my preworkout meal at 7oz turkey and it’s probably my best digesting meal.


Currently eating 350g pro at 220lbs
Honestly, I think 350 g of protein is far too much for someone with your body weight and muscle mass.

If you're already getting around 30 g of fat from your food, then I would simply add about 10 g of fat in the morning and another 10 g in the evening. That would put you at around 40–50 g of total fat per day, which I think is more than enough. You could add some avocado, olive oil, a little more beef/salmon or any other good source of healthy fats.

What I would definitely consider, though, is reducing your protein intake. I looked at your log and honestly in my opinion you're using too much protein. And to be honest I also think you're using more gear than you need. That's just my opinion of course but I wanted to be honest and tell you what I think.
 
Honestly, I think 350 g of protein is far too much for someone with your body weight and muscle mass.

If you're already getting around 30 g of fat from your food, then I would simply add about 10 g of fat in the morning and another 10 g in the evening. That would put you at around 40–50 g of total fat per day, which I think is more than enough. You could add some avocado, olive oil, a little more beef/salmon or any other good source of healthy fats.

What I would definitely consider, though, is reducing your protein intake. I looked at your log and honestly in my opinion you're using too much protein. And to be honest I also think you're using more gear than you need. That's just my opinion of course but I wanted to be honest and tell you what I think.
Appreciate the input Luki, I’ll be experimenting with pulling down the protein a bit.


I’m mid cruise, but all my gear use was under the instructions of my coach. Using this as a time to resensitize and work my way up to a more modest dose and titrate as needed.
 
I was around 40-45 fat total and did not feel great. The added fat at that time was 1tbs almond butter, 2 whole eggs, 5g evoo. Now I have/had some thyroid stuff going on also but my total cholesterol was 91. AJ added another whole egg and some coconut oil. If I had to measure I would about 25g total fat added. I feel a difference. Now is it the added fat or the extra mag/electrolytes or fixing thyroid or all of the above I dont know. But before my cholesterol was in the 170-180 range but I always had added fats from eggs, almond butter, evoo, etc. I havent retested yet.
 
I was around 40-45 fat total and did not feel great. The added fat at that time was 1tbs almond butter, 2 whole eggs, 5g evoo. Now I have/had some thyroid stuff going on also but my total cholesterol was 91. AJ added another whole egg and some coconut oil. If I had to measure I would about 25g total fat added. I feel a difference. Now is it the added fat or the extra mag/electrolytes or fixing thyroid or all of the above I dont know. But before my cholesterol was in the 170-180 range but I always had added fats from eggs, almond butter, evoo, etc. I havent retested yet.
It’s interesting cause my cholesterol is a bit higher now compared to when I worked with Austin Stout, and he had me eating like 80-90g fat with perfect cholesterol. The trade-off was that I looked the worst I’ve ever had lol. Not willing to make that trade off again, considering I feel the same way mentally on 80-90g fat as I do now on 20-30g but I’m way stronger and look better on lower fats.
 
It’s interesting cause my cholesterol is a bit higher now compared to when I worked with Austin Stout, and he had me eating like 80-90g fat with perfect cholesterol. The trade-off was that I looked the worst I’ve ever had lol. Not willing to make that trade off again, considering I feel the same way mentally on 80-90g fat as I do now on 20-30g but I’m way stronger and look better on lower fats.

Just to clarify or confirm. During that time, weren’t you also “natural” or having to break from gear due to fixing digestion issues? I’m sorry if that is not correct; I thought I saw this in your log around last fall or so.
 
I like higher fat than most, or at least I feel better on it. 80-100, maybe 110 grams per day, at least in the off-season.

I won't necessarily claim it's helping me stay lean, but I've stayed in decent shape keep fat ~100-110 with carbs 750+ and protein ~400. My appetite goes wild with lower fats and energy feels inconsistent.
 
55g added fats on training days and 75g added fats on none training days. What the coach has me doing and I enjoy eating way more then before. When I did my own nutrition I did bare minimum fats, I like this way more.
 
I dont count calories or macros but am extremely consistent with my diet and make small changes to see what works for me. I realize avocados just make me fat unless used sparingly in substitute for carbs. I have been enjoying adding pumpkin seeds, chia seeds, walnuts and one Brazil nut a day into my diet. Also been drizzling tahini on my diner which is always a stir-fry. I'll toss the seeds in my 10am oats type meal and into the diner meal as well. Just a couple thoughts.
 
Just to clarify or confirm. During that time, weren’t you also “natural” or having to break from gear due to fixing digestion issues? I’m sorry if that is not correct; I thought I saw this in your log around last fall or so.
Yeah but I’m also cruising now. Of course I can’t compare 1:1 cause a lot has changed since.
 

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