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So I have been here for 14 years and have did my share of cycles. Always stacks though. Due to strict budget limitations I have been forced to narrow things down to Test Cypionate, Letrozole (cheapest AI) and a couple bottles of Nolvadex left over. I have NEVER did a Test only cycle. I am 47 years old and am not looking for HUGE gains. But I am also not settling for TRT type gains. I give blood every 3 months and never had an issue with Hemoglobin or Hematocrit.Is their something I can take to make the test work better? I have always been a Test,Deca,Equipoise guy. I AM ABSOLUTELY DONE WITH ORALS. Any plans or ideas would be GREATLY appreciated. I have about 16,000 mgs (8 bottles) of Test Cyp ready to roll. OH YEAH, and plenty of daily Cialis from the Doctor so hopefully that helps with the Letrozole!!!
 
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Test/NPP is pretty much all I use AAS wise nowadays, can’t really go wrong there. Another option worth considering is MK-677. It works great for me but sides and effectiveness seem to vary for people. Nothing wrong with test only though.
 

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Nothing wrong with a moderate dose of test cyp only cycle,get your macros and smash the gym you will gain just fine
 

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Test only cycles can be done and are used quite a bit.. I don't like letro at all as it just smashes estro... Not good.. So use sparingly and as low as you can.. There are cheap options to make the test more efficient and better.. Proviron is one .. Even at low dose 25 mgs it will increase free test .. You never said how much test you were going to use... ??
 

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TEST DOSE

I was thinking 500 mgs. I do have about 60 Proviron capsules. Nolvadex won’t help in anyway on a test cycle? What is the average dose of Letrozole for 500 mgs of test?

Test only cycles can be done and are used quite a bit.. I don't like letro at all as it just smashes estro... Not good.. So use sparingly and as low as you can.. There are cheap options to make the test more efficient and better.. Proviron is one .. Even at low dose 25 mgs it will increase free test .. You never said how much test you were going to use... ??
 

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Masteron is a good compliment to Test also that's worth considering imho. If hair loss is a concern you can try a "low" dose and see if you still get the benefits without the hair loss or any other unwanted sides.
 

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There's decent GH that you can run at a low dose or some MK with that testosterone to compliment it.

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Doing test only cycle right now , dropped my low dose of tren e and bumped the test. So far so good...


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Nothing wrong with test only. I would inject personally inj it eod but twice weekly is fine too. Something cheap that compliments it very well would be 10-12.5mg MK-677 ed. I would definitely add 1 proviron tab per day if you have them as well. Letro I would dose as low as possible and even twice weekly dosing of approx 1.25mg could be ok. Although you will need to monitor estrogen levels via bloodwork to know. On higher test I much prefer a very low aromasin daily dose. I prefer estrogen to be mid range when bulking and don't mind it even rising as long as my test blood levels are very high.
 

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Nothing wrong with test only. I would inject personally inj it eod but twice weekly is fine too. Something cheap that compliments it very well would be 10-12.5mg MK-677 ed. I would definitely add 1 proviron tab per day if you have them as well. Letro I would dose as low as possible and even twice weekly dosing of approx 1.25mg could be ok. Although you will need to monitor estrogen levels via bloodwork to know. On higher test I much prefer a very low aromasin daily dose. I prefer estrogen to be mid range when bulking and don't mind it even rising as long as my test blood levels are very high.

Test only cycles can be done and are used quite a bit.. I don't like letro at all as it just smashes estro... Not good.. So use sparingly and as low as you can.. There are cheap options to make the test more efficient and better.. Proviron is one .. Even at low dose 25 mgs it will increase free test .. You never said how much test you were going to use... ??

To LATS and Elvia1023...with the proviron, if used daily at low dose (20-25mgs),how long could you run proviron? Would one need to cycle off the proviron if one is on a Test only cycle or even a TRT?
Elvia-what would be a low dose of Aromasin and how would you run Aromasin?
Thank you in advance.
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To LATS and Elvia1023...with the proviron, if used daily at low dose (20-25mgs),how long could you run proviron? Would one need to cycle off the proviron if one is on a Test only cycle or even a TRT?
Elvia-what would be a low dose of Aromasin and how would you run Aromasin?
Thank you in advance.
Take care.
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If this were just a standard cycle I would run proviron everyday for the entire duration. I would stop it before pct. Aromasin is very individual and sometimes when bulking I don't even use an AI. I prefer to use as little as possible as these drugs are not exactly good for you. But if estrogen is a problem they need to be used. Although I don't mind having high estrogen as long as my test is very high but only for a relatively short time period (12 weeks for example).

Generally I use 12.5mg aromasin daily on a high test cycle which for me is approx 750mg per day. Now if I were to use 1.5g test I would use 25mg aromasin daily. Although nothing is set in stone with me and I have used 6.25mg (or as close to 1/4 tab I could get) on standard test cycles. For you I would simply try to use the smallest effective dose so I would recommend bloodwork mid cycle to establish were 6.25-12.5mg has your estrogen and go from there.
 

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Be extremely careful with the letrozole and only use it if you need it. As others have said, a little goes a long way and too much will crush your E2 and make you miserable.

My doctor prescribed me letrozole and I get it straight from the pharmacy. Unfortunately, I was not familiar with letrozole as I had mostly taken Arimidex when I needed it in the past. My doctor prescribed me 2.5mg of letrozole per day, which is way way too much. I made the mistake of taking that once, and it crashed my E2, ruined my erections and libido and gains in the gym, and made me completely miserable.

Only take the letrozole if you have high estrogen side effects, and only if you really need it. Most guys have success cutting the 2.5mg tabs into quarters, and taking .6mg every other day or so.

But some guys like me are over-responders to AI's, and even that dose was way too much for me.

Best way to do it is to use as much test as you can use without having any high estrogen side effects. When you do start having side effects, then cut back your dose of test before using an AI. Only use an AI if you really need it.
 

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You can make great gains from just test , but like discussion here keeping the estrogen in check is very important. I personally like to add a little Mast once my test dose is around 300,g a week , 100mg a week Mast does great for keeping my estrogen in check.

Something else to consider is adding a little insulin pre workout , it’s probably the cheapest thing you can get
 

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I was thinking 500 mgs. I do have about 60 Proviron capsules. Nolvadex won’t help in anyway on a test cycle? What is the average dose of Letrozole for 500 mgs of test?




nolvadex would help
 

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