Older Guy Needs Advice

[Cosmicdrifter]

I'm 66 and I lifted my first barbell 51 years ago. I've lifted off and on, read, studied, used every kind of gear - been big and bigger.

At age 58, I was benching 300 and had 18" arms. Left because of travel, injuries, and laziness.

Now, I'm back and the world of lifting has left me way behind. You guys know more about physiology, biochemistry and endocrinology than I ever dreamed possible.

My point: I started out a few weeks back lifting hard (no free weights, just machines).
I researched pro-hormones (I'm afraid of test - dont want to shut down my natural production) so I started on pro-hormones.

I doing a 4 week cycle on Beastdrol with two accompanying test booster/pct products. Doing proper liver support and using Syntrex whey for additional protein.

Then I discovered peptides: ordered cjc-1296 and GHRP-6 with 31 gauge pins. I wanted to stay away from HGH because of price and accessibility.

I just need some advice from someone who understands all this for senior folks. I am not overweight - 6' and 190. Good muscle memory. Know how to work hard but dont want to be dumb and get injuries.

Plus, if HGH is the best way to go, and CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 are not as good, then I am prepared to obtain HGH.

Liver profiles have always been good; I drink intermittently and eat what I want. My HDL is always over 85 and that keeps my cardio-vascular system in good health despite not exercising.

I will drop the beastdrol and try to get an AAS. I still have the capacity to get big, but I would rather stay slim and cut. So I may mix text and GH with the appropriate amount of HCG and PCT.

After all the positive articles I've read about CJC-1298 and GHRP-6, I get the feeling that GH is a better way to go; am I wrong?

So, at 66, if you were going to go on a 6 week cycle what AAS would you use: Ethanate or one of the others (too many for me to count or understand their capabilities). I know that some of them control estrogen.

What HCG and how much? What PCT? HOw much How long?

My last cycle at age 58, I got a lot of water retention, leg swelling, skin bumps, and blood pressure. Of course I was doing 800 test and 500 deca per week; used HCG and arimidex but still got the symptoms.

So you see, I need a careful diagnosis of how to proceed. By the way, I have no health problems; pulse rate 60 and you can see it pulsing in my ankle.

I just need a cycle that will build mass, minimize estrogen, minimized lock-down and facilitate quick recovery. Is this Mission Impossible?

 

[pesty4077]

I'm 66 and I lifted my first barbell 51 years ago. I've lifted off and on, read, studied, used every kind of gear - been big and bigger.

At age 58, I was benching 300 and had 18" arms. Left because of travel, injuries, and laziness.

Now, I'm back and the world of lifting has left me way behind. You guys know more about physiology, biochemistry and endocrinology than I ever dreamed possible.

My point: I started out a few weeks back lifting hard (no free weights, just machines).
I researched pro-hormones (I'm afraid of test - dont want to shut down my natural production) so I started on pro-hormones.

I doing a 4 week cycle on Beastdrol with two accompanying test booster/pct products. Doing proper liver support and using Syntrex whey for additional protein.

Then I discovered peptides: ordered cjc-1296 and GHRP-6 with 31 gauge pins. I wanted to stay away from HGH because of price and accessibility.

I just need some advice from someone who understands all this for senior folks. I am not overweight - 6' and 190. Good muscle memory. Know how to work hard but dont want to be dumb and get injuries.

Plus, if HGH is the best way to go, and CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 are not as good, then I am prepared to obtain HGH.

Liver profiles have always been good; I drink intermittently and eat what I want. My HDL is always over 85 and that keeps my cardio-vascular system in good health despite not exercising.

I will drop the beastdrol and try to get an AAS. I still have the capacity to get big, but I would rather stay slim and cut. So I may mix text and GH with the appropriate amount of HCG and PCT.

After all the positive articles I've read about CJC-1298 and GHRP-6, I get the feeling that GH is a better way to go; am I wrong?

So, at 66, if you were going to go on a 6 week cycle what AAS would you use: Ethanate or one of the others (too many for me to count or understand their capabilities). I know that some of them control estrogen.

What HCG and how much? What PCT? HOw much How long?

My last cycle at age 58, I got a lot of water retention, leg swelling, skin bumps, and blood pressure. Of course I was doing 800 test and 500 deca per week; used HCG and arimidex but still got the symptoms.

So you see, I need a careful diagnosis of how to proceed. By the way, I have no health problems; pulse rate 60 and you can see it pulsing in my ankle.

I just need a cycle that will build mass, minimize estrogen, minimized lock-down and facilitate quick recovery. Is this Mission Impossible?

Hey young man, I highlighted a few areas. Congrats on making that change and getting back in shape. I don't think the machines would be bad for you and less injury. If you include free weights, go lighter and higher reps 12-15, also include cardio. I would do weights 3-4 days a week and cardio 3-5 days. Be careful not to overtrain.

Don't be afraid of Test, at your age I bet you, your body needs it and GH. The prohormones you are taking are harder on your system and I wouldn't take. If you have insurance you probally can get HRT from a Doctor. There he will be able to monitor you and take proper bloodwork. You might need to be on HRT the rest of your life. I wouldn't know that, only a Doctor.

To answer your question on GH. I prefer it over the others, all though I heard some good things on the petides. 2IUs taken 5 on and 2 off would be great for you.

I noticed you said you eat what you want, without the proper DIET, you will not get lean like you want. You need to get on a good nutritional program, to make a good change.

AS far as the HCG, then again, that could be answer after your Doctor checks your bloodwork and test levels. I would never recommend a 6 week cycle for you. Mininmum 12 weeks and using Test Ethanate. Also to be determine by your doctor. I would insist on shots though, better then the creams, IMO.

As far as bloating, could be a couple of things. Was your Arimidex real? You might also need a stronger dose or something else. It also could be a medical condition.

 

[Cosmicdrifter]

Thanks for taking the time to help. You are right about the diet; I studied nutrition for years and I am on a good whey - light on carbs and fats, but I got pretty big on beer and hot dogs in my youth.

Since I am somewhat pre-programmed for longevity (85 HDL; 2 to 1 ratio) I hesitate to mess with my natural test. I will quit the beastdrol.

I've never had much luck with doctors giving me what I want; my last test results put me in the 400 zone and that is normal.

You are probably right about the arimidex. Perhaps just 500 test per week with some GH (in perpetuity) with PCT.

Whenever I get a response like yours, it helps me develop a factual norm and increases my confidence in advice that is complimentary.

Thanks again.

 

[pesty4077]

Thanks for taking the time to help. You are right about the diet; I studied nutrition for years and I am on a good whey - light on carbs and fats, but I got pretty big on beer and hot dogs in my youth.

Since I am somewhat pre-programmed for longevity (85 HDL; 2 to 1 ratio) I hesitate to mess with my natural test. I will quit the beastdrol.

I've never had much luck with doctors giving me what I want; my last test results put me in the 400 zone and that is normal.

You are probably right about the arimidex. Perhaps just 500 test per week with some GH (in perpetuity) with PCT.

Whenever I get a response like yours, it helps me develop a factual norm and increases my confidence in advice that is complimentary.

Thanks again.

400? WOW! that is actually good for your age. I am 50 and my natural test levels are lower. I always say for a older guy, 500 mg of test and 2ius of GH will do wonders. Do a 12 week cycle of the test with PCT. Maybe 1 week past last shot start HCG for 3 weeks. I would also take novadex with the HCG and take it for 5 weeks for your PCT. You might want to try Aromasin at 12.5mg ever day for your AI. 12 weeks on, 3 weeks HCG and then another 5-6 weeks off and you will be ready again.

 

[Cosmicdrifter]

Thanks pesty for your thoughtful advice. I have asked this question on several boards to compare unanimity and congruence among those who purport to "know." You would be amazed at the variance in responses.

Half the camp loves CJC and GHRP better than GH; half the folks tell me to drop beastdrol and all AAS and go on HRT.

If I could find a physician that would prescribe me the test, the GH, the HCG, and the Arimidex, then I would not be out here trying to piece together the resources.

I'm not in a big city, so the Doctors are conservative and I'm not willing to go to one of these designer-scam clinics in Atlanta to pay all the bogus charges.

I think you are right though. I think I can run a reasonable amount of test, HGH, and manage my PCT.

The thing that drives me nuts is the number of positive, glowing posts on all the boards about CJC-1295 and GHRP-6, yet no one has told me to run that with some test.

 

[pesty4077]

Thanks pesty for your thoughtful advice. I have asked this question on several boards to compare unanimity and congruence among those who purport to "know." You would be amazed at the variance in responses.

Half the camp loves CJC and GHRP better than GH; half the folks tell me to drop beastdrol and all AAS and go on HRT.

If I could find a physician that would prescribe me the test, the GH, the HCG, and the Arimidex, then I would not be out here trying to piece together the resources.

I'm not in a big city, so the Doctors are conservative and I'm not willing to go to one of these designer-scam clinics in Atlanta to pay all the bogus charges.

I think you are right though. I think I can run a reasonable amount of test, HGH, and manage my PCT.

The thing that drives me nuts is the number of positive, glowing posts on all the boards about CJC-1295 and GHRP-6, yet no one has told me to run that with some test.

DatBtrue has his own board, where he talks exclusively about the petides. You might want to go there for some advice. I am not for or against them. I just prefer GH, especially when I can get pharmacy Serostim. You can run Test with them, as far as I can see.

 

[disgraziato]

Thanks pesty for your thoughtful advice. I have asked this question on several boards to compare unanimity and congruence among those who purport to "know." You would be amazed at the variance in responses.

Half the camp loves CJC and GHRP better than GH; half the folks tell me to drop beastdrol and all AAS and go on HRT.

If I could find a physician that would prescribe me the test, the GH, the HCG, and the Arimidex, then I would not be out here trying to piece together the resources.

I'm not in a big city, so the Doctors are conservative and I'm not willing to go to one of these designer-scam clinics in Atlanta to pay all the bogus charges.

I think you are right though. I think I can run a reasonable amount of test, HGH, and manage my PCT.

The thing that drives me nuts is the number of positive, glowing posts on all the boards about CJC-1295 and GHRP-6, yet no one has told me to run that with some test.

I've been a student of anti-aging/longevity and peptide use for a few years now.
There will always be two camps in the GH subject, the old-schoolers who swear by rHGH and anything else sucks, and the peptides camp. You really need to spend a GREAT deal of time and read all the posts in all the threads on peptides; and you should def. start with Dat's thread, yes, from page 1 to the end.
That being said, I have the following opinions for you in your particular case:

First and foremost, as others have already said, discontinue the pre and pro-hormones, they wreak havoc.
And if your natural blood panels that you gave are accurate and true, HOLY SH#T, good for you! Thats an awesome HDL, not doing regular cardio and such. I wish my levels would stay at half that level. And your T levels are astounding, albeit hard to believe with your AAS use and your age. So-
I would never touch another steroid again if your walking around at 400 naturally.
I would begin a protocol with GRF(1-29) and GHRP(your choice) three times a day at 100mcg each of both GRF and GHRP-Fasted AM, PWO and Pre-bed. rHGH isnt identical to the body's naturally produced GH. It is always favorable to allow the body to make its own; the compounds I recommend stimulate the body to pulse its own GH and at levels equivalent to 5iu of rHGH. There will be no prolonged rise in GH and IGF as is seen with high doses of rHGH, which has negative connotations attached, such as cancer risk.

I would then adequately eat, train and supplement with muscle-sparing fat-loss as the goal, which will get you defined. I do not know your level of knowledge of such things, such as supplements to use like arginine, glutamine, creatine etc etc etc, or training and eating practices, but I'll assume you are aware of such things.

Start it up, try it out, be observant of your sides, body changes etc, then toggle it all as you see fit.

Good luck

 

[Cosmicdrifter]

Thank you for the specific, thoughtful advice. Several people have said to stop and desist the prohormones and I am going to do that. I have some CJC-1295 on the way (if the vendor is for real) and then I will take your advice on the GRF-129.

All the Best

 

[Cosmicdrifter]

400? WOW! that is actually good for your age. I am 50 and my natural test levels are lower. I always say for a older guy, 500 mg of test and 2ius of GH will do wonders. Do a 12 week cycle of the test with PCT. Maybe 1 week past last shot start HCG for 3 weeks. I would also take novadex with the HCG and take it for 5 weeks for your PCT. You might want to try Aromasin at 12.5mg ever day for your AI. 12 weeks on, 3 weeks HCG and then another 5-6 weeks off and you will be ready again.

Pesty, I'm coming to the conclusion that your advice is on target for me. Do you think 2ius of GH is enough? Secondly, what times during the day?

You obviously favor Aromasis over Arimidex - why? Other than that I think I am going with your formula. Once I get the materials for the project, I will provide you with feedback about my progress. Thanks again for your time and sharing your knowledge.

 

[pesty4077]

Pesty, I'm coming to the conclusion that your advice is on target for me. Do you think 2ius of GH is enough? Secondly, what times during the day?

You obviously favor Aromasis over Arimidex - why? Other than that I think I am going with your formula. Once I get the materials for the project, I will provide you with feedback about my progress. Thanks again for your time and sharing your knowledge.

If it is real pharmacy GH, yes. I take that amount and see great results. Aromasin has less sides. I believe Macro on here is a whiz about the scienitific approach.