Olympia scandal: Natalia Coelho Brazilian clinic PMMA injections EXPOSED!

[luki7788]

Muscle Discord is the biggest idiot in the bodybuilding industry and a total drama clown. He hates everyone, talks trash about everyone, and only tries to get fame by making up random controversies that aren’t proven anywhere. I wouldn’t listen to that guy at all. He just hates people and I can’t watch or listen to him.

 

[Mute]

A BBL is relatively benign, all it is is a fat injection its not an implant. Done right, it looks really good. I was dating a girl who had it, I would have never known if she hadnt said so. Her ass was amazing. On the other hand, when overdone it can look pretty bad.

Oh yeah I know. I was just saying Sunny’s was kind of out of control at one point. But I have seen some in person where it’s just comical and it’s more like a sense of delusion.

 

[Alzadosghost]

Looked like shit when flex and nassar and Milo’s used that trash and it looks horrible now when it’s obviously being used by the so called best on earth. It’s NEVER a good look when you’re blown out,washed out when any of the things are used. I’m glad to see Hawkmoon, say he’d never use it. He would t look like he does if he bloomed himself up. And he represents what decades of putting in the work and modest doses on top of killer genetics can look like. You don’t need fillers to look like a superhero. It might not be against the rules in bodybuilding for it is primarily drug warfare at that level or any level of real bodybuilding. I say real bodybuilding because without aas it wouldnt be what it always it has been. A drug fueled sport. If any of you can find an obvious example of user that it actually improves a physique. Iv ne Ed seen it look good. Just look what it did to Luki. I mean the guy has an amazing physique with incredible muscles. But his use of those injections in hos arms litterally ruined his arms and they look really really bad. No offense big guy I have great admiration for you and your one of the biggest contributors of all time in this forum and he’s openly shared his experience and I think if he could undo that damage he would certainly would. The same things goes for the guys who use the insane doses and tons of drugs like derrick and a lot of other pros but show up with a pumpkin face or the alleged ‘thick skin” and never have great condition and death face like Hadi but still use that crap like hadis shoulders…all that shit does is make them look like a clown show even if the are in above average conditioning. It’s not against the rules or illegal but in my opinion it should be an instant disqualification because it makes bodybuilding look really bad. And people wonder why it’s not more universally accepted as as being an actual sport. I cannot think of any other sport where it’s mandatory you use anabolic steroids just to compete. There are users in all sports but there are also
Just plain old guys that are natural
And just as competitive or better than the guys “cheating” if anyone thinks im
Wrong about any of this please chime in.

 

[MajinBoo]

Looked like shit when flex and nassar and Milo’s used that trash and it looks horrible now when it’s obviously being used by the so called best on earth. It’s NEVER a good look when you’re blown out,washed out when any of the things are used. I’m glad to see Hawkmoon, say he’d never use it. He would t look like he does if he bloomed himself up. And he represents what decades of putting in the work and modest doses on top of killer genetics can look like. You don’t need fillers to look like a superhero. It might not be against the rules in bodybuilding for it is primarily drug warfare at that level or any level of real bodybuilding. I say real bodybuilding because without aas it wouldnt be what it always it has been. A drug fueled sport. If any of you can find an obvious example of user that it actually improves a physique. Iv ne Ed seen it look good. Just look what it did to Luki. I mean the guy has an amazing physique with incredible muscles. But his use of those injections in hos arms litterally ruined his arms and they look really really bad. No offense big guy I have great admiration for you and your one of the biggest contributors of all time in this forum and he’s openly shared his experience and I think if he could undo that damage he would certainly would. The same things goes for the guys who use the insane doses and tons of drugs like derrick and a lot of other pros but show up with a pumpkin face or the alleged ‘thick skin” and never have great condition and death face like Hadi but still use that crap like hadis shoulders…all that shit does is make them look like a clown show even if the are in above average conditioning. It’s not against the rules or illegal but in my opinion it should be an instant disqualification because it makes bodybuilding look really bad. And people wonder why it’s not more universally accepted as as being an actual sport. I cannot think of any other sport where it’s mandatory you use anabolic steroids just to compete. There are users in all sports but there are also
Just plain old guys that are natural
And just as competitive or better than the guys “cheating” if anyone thinks im
Wrong about any of this please chime in.

Agree with most except that the look on stage is directly correlated to the drug dosages. I am confident Hadi as taken way more than Derek. There are many bodybuilders in history who never reached the condition people expected to see. There are many different reasons for that. Hadi's dry and peeled look is also genetics - not only drugs and diet.

 

[bbxtreme]

"not against the rules and bla bla bla", but this is not bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is about building muscle, which is hard work and requires commitment, dedication and intelligence.

It's not showing off inorganic matter disguised as tissue. Go into a clinic get oiled up and win a show....and it's accepted as 'normal in pro bodybuilding' ? what a sad thing it is to hear.

what a disaster of a consensus for a forum of people who love bodybuilding.

If I ever had the privilege to showcase my hard earning physique In a pro stage I would never succumb to the stupidness of injecting inorganic matter into my muscles to win over competition.

How could I look at myself in the mirror and be proud of my accomplishement? no honor.

"ïts not against the rules" - ok, but shouldn't it be???

Nobody’s advocating for this in this thread. We’ve all said the opposite.

But this stuff has been around for over 10 years and was even a topic on “Ask Dave” back in 2013 I believe.

It’s a matter of is it “wrong or a scandal”. And it’s not based on the current rules.

Ryan Terry, Natalia and several others (including myself) have also gone to Columbia for stem cells. Is this a scandal or unfair advantage? No.

At the end of the day if I get on stage and someone beats me who has done PMMA injections, I’m going to shake his hand and say “well done”. Why? Because he won and was willing to do more than I was to win.

This is pro bodybuilding- guys do all the things you mentioned- train insane, take all the PED’s live the lifestyle year round AND will risk doing injections like this. It’s all fair game.

I hope one day they do mark down or make a rule for this, but if they did you’d see most top open pros and MP guys gone at the top.

 

[alfresco]

Problem is, and will always be, proving usage.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

 

[Alzadosghost]

Problem is, and will always be, proving usage.

I think all of those fillers would show up on a simple xray. If not a ct scan of the entire body. Both of which could be used. I’d imagine there is a blood test that that shit would show up on. Even Hyularonic acid is foreign to the body. If the powers that be were interested in stopping it it could be done. But the powers that be don’t give a fuck because the freaks draw the crowd. Even if they look like total dogshit. Bodybuildings best years are long gone. I wouldn’t waste my time or money going to the Olympia weekend ever again, those dogshit looking fuckers with the pumpkin heads on stage, don’t impress me one bit. Now you get a Dorian or Ronnie or Jay or Lee up there looking like skeleton on stage, I’d hand an interest in body building again. But it’s too far gone and it’s all normal to most people. Using that shit has nothing to do with actually building muscle like steroids and peptides.

 

[alfresco]

I think all of those fillers would show up on a simple xray. If not a ct scan of the entire body. Both of which could be used. I’d imagine there is a blood test that that shit would show up on. Even Hyularonic acid is foreign to the body. If the powers that be were interested in stopping it it could be done. But the powers that be don’t give a fuck because the freaks draw the crowd. Even if they look like total dogshit. Bodybuildings best years are long gone. I wouldn’t waste my time or money going to the Olympia weekend ever again, those dogshit looking fuckers with the pumpkin heads on stage, don’t impress me one bit. Now you get a Dorian or Ronnie or Jay or Lee up there looking like skeleton on stage, I’d hand an interest in body building again. But it’s too far gone and it’s all normal to most people. Using that shit has nothing to do with actually building muscle like steroids and peptides.

I would love to know more about detection.

 

[BLKGUY2006]

this is not an EXPLOSIVE report. Been going on for years. Muscle Discord always think he stirring things up.

 

[mexbeast]

And here i am not wanting to pin my chest with a 29g slin pin because it kinda hurts

 

[td]

Problem is, and will always be, proving usage.

The issue could be easily addressed without testing. People respond to incentive. If competitors were penalized for apparent use, it would become more discreet.

 

[kadafi2]

It's been said many times in this thread that "IFBB doesn't penalize using fillers, so people do it." But from what I remember, there have been cases where judges penalized athletes for using fillers with lower placings. I don't recall any specific examples, except for Mohamed Salama (do you recognize him?), who was relegated at a competition a long time ago for having some oil (SEO) in his muscles. Maybe the point is that judges punish for overt use, while they turn a blind eye to someone like Andrew Jacked, because he used fillers relatively correctly?

Mohamed Salama---BEAST!!!

DAYUM this guys is just nuts! From Saudi Arabia I think. **broken link removed** **broken link removed** **broken link removed** **broken link removed** So is this guy natty or what?:D

www.professionalmuscle.com

 

[alfresco]

The issue could be easily addressed without testing. People respond to incentive. If competitors were penalized for apparent use, it would become more discreet.

Apparent is a keyword in my opinion. Anything less than bomb proof we’re gonna have problems.

 

[johnjuanb1]

I think all of those fillers would show up on a simple xray. If not a ct scan of the entire body. Both of which could be used. I’d imagine there is a blood test that that shit would show up on. Even Hyularonic acid is foreign to the body. If the powers that be were interested in stopping it it could be done. But the powers that be don’t give a fuck because the freaks draw the crowd. Even if they look like total dogshit. Bodybuildings best years are long gone. I wouldn’t waste my time or money going to the Olympia weekend ever again, those dogshit looking fuckers with the pumpkin heads on stage, don’t impress me one bit. Now you get a Dorian or Ronnie or Jay or Lee up there looking like skeleton on stage, I’d hand an interest in body building again. But it’s too far gone and it’s all normal to most people. Using that shit has nothing to do with actually building muscle like steroids and peptides.

AAS oil injects show up on the airport X-ray machine. Back when I was taking 4 grams of AAS, plus a ton of site injected MCT oil, TSA wouldn’t let me through. They kept saying, “He has contraband all over!” They showed me the scan. My pecs, delts, biceps, triceps, and glutes were all lit up. I finally said, “I’m late for my plane so what do I have to do for this to be over?” They said, “strip!” I dropped my pants, took my shirt off, nothing but my boxer briefs on, in front of the whole airport. They waved me through. I used to inject 60+ ccs of oil EOD.

 

[traininsane11]

 

[Alzadosghost]

I would love to know more about detection.

I would like to know as well. If I was actually competing I would raise hell about it.

AAS oil injects show up on the airport X-ray machine. Back when I was taking 4 grams of AAS, plus a ton of site injected MCT oil, TSA wouldn’t let me through. They kept saying, “He has contraband all over!” They showed me the scan. My pecs, delts, biceps, triceps, and glutes were all lit up. I finally said, “I’m late for my plane so what do I have to do for this to be over?” They said, “strip!” I dropped my pants, took my shirt off, nothing but my boxer briefs on, in front of the whole airport. They waved me through. I used to inject 60+ ccs of oil EOD.

i kind of figured they would. Thanks for speaking up Jon Juan.

 

[Orville Shreddenbacher]

I don't give a shit what tbe next guy does , it's not my thing , but I'm also not a competitive bodybuilder. It's funny to me the nerve it hits with people , it goes back to " if I did xyz amount of gear I would be huge too " only it's us saying it about SEO. And then singling out who uses it . The real winners are the guys nobody knows use it because they go easy and pull off a natural look. It has it's place , bodybuilding is a weight class sport , minus the open , that doesn't involve feats of strength or athleticism. It's all esthetics. All the board short guys are most likely using it and most likely the majority of women , everyone just has wildly capped shoulders nowadays . It seems to be somewhat of an equalizer to lagging genetics for some

 

[buck]

From my reading the IFBB has a stance supporting "anti doping" they just haven't done any testing in a long time and only for diuretics at that time that i can remember.
So it seems that people can use anything in the open IFBB they want as they are being judged on their looks. And if the judges don't like the look they can score them lower. Some competitors started going way over my line long ago. But i don't expect others to feel the same as me.

 

[pimpman]

Double post sorry