Only 200mg Test goes a long way!!!

[dragonfire101]

Ok, so I have been on HRT and my levels recnetly have only been around 160 on the Testim Gel. So my PCP decides to give me a 200mg Test Ethanate. About 5 days later send be for a blood test and my levels went all the way up to almost 1300. Said he wa sgoing to have to only give me 100mg.

My point is it takes very little dosages to get to a very high level for muscle building affects. It would appear 400-600mg would be plenty for any cycle.

 

[oldfella]

Ok, so I have been on HRT and my levels recnetly have only been around 160 on the Testim Gel. So my PCP decides to give me a 200mg Test Ethanate. About 5 days later send be for a blood test and my levels went all the way up to almost 1300. Said he wa sgoing to have to only give me 100mg.

My point is it takes very little dosages to get to a very high level for muscle building affects. It would appear 400-600mg would be plenty for any cycle.

 

[GoneForever]

Ok, so I have been on HRT and my levels recnetly have only been around 160 on the Testim Gel. So my PCP decides to give me a 200mg Test Ethanate. About 5 days later send be for a blood test and my levels went all the way up to almost 1300. Said he wa sgoing to have to only give me 100mg.

My point is it takes very little dosages to get to a very high level for muscle building affects. It would appear 400-600mg would be plenty for any cycle.

your hrt doc sounds like an asshole. WTF with only giving you 100mg test. You should just use some prop inbetween appointments.

 

[dragonfire101]

your hrt doc sounds like an asshole. WTF with only giving you 100mg test. You should just use some prop inbetween appointments

No, this is my PCP. I didn't want my levels down so low while waiting to see my new HRT doc, but wanted to check how much they went up. He has to keep them between 400-850 is cutoff. He is not HRT doc an goes by what the in the physcian desk referrance says. Alot of these PCP fear getting in trouble prescribing more that is needed and follow the guidlines to the T. So he figured give only 100mg next time to stay between 400-850. Can a PCP really justify keeping you up in the 1300's.

Funny thing is I don't feel any differant at 1300 than at 160. Still no sex drive and I ma tired. Im going to have to have the HRT doc test for prolactin and some other things when I see him.

 

[saudades]

No, this is my PCP. I didn't want my levels down so low while waiting to see my new HRT doc, but wanted to check how much they went up. He has to keep them between 400-850 is cutoff. He is not HRT doc an goes by what the in the physcian desk referrance says. Alot of these PCP fear getting in trouble prescribing more that is needed and follow the guidlines to the T. So he figured give only 100mg next time to stay between 400-850. Can a PCP really justify keeping you up in the 1300's.

Funny thing is I don't feel any differant at 1300 than at 160. Still no sex drive and I ma tired. Im going to have to have the HRT doc test for prolactin and some other things when I see him.

You and I seem to react the same way. I've been on HRT for over eight years now myself. My PCP had taken over giving me my prescription after my insurance changed and I couldn't see my specialist anymore. A couple of my last blood test with him showed my levels were around 1700, which of course freaked him out. I've been on 200mg/week lately, but had been on 300mg/week before that when my total levels tested at 2200. I feel normal at the 200mg/week dosage--good sex drive and build muscle relatively well. Well, my PCP decides he wants me to go to another specialist and finds one that takes my insurance. This new doc cuts me back to 200mg every 2 weeks. I get to the end of two weeks, and I feel tired, no drive to do anything, no sex drive. I have my level checked with my PCP, and it came back 934. The specialist tells me that is to be expected after being up so high all the time and then you come down. I'm thinking, "Normal guys go around having no drive, etc. like this?" If this doesn't change, I will insist he put me back on my old dosage.

There was a thread about measuring free testosterone levels being 10x more accurate than total levels. Supposedly, you can test out of the range and still have a low free test level in which case you actually need more. My results didn't seem to list the free test levels so I'm going to ask about that. These docs do freak out about prescribing testosterone at all. I have yet to find one that doesn't.

 

[Chim Chim]

You and I seem to react the same way. I've been on HRT for over eight years now myself. My PCP had taken over giving me my prescription after my insurance changed and I couldn't see my specialist anymore. A couple of my last blood test with him showed my levels were around 1700, which of course freaked him out. I've been on 200mg/week lately, but had been on 300mg/week before that when my total levels tested at 2200. I feel normal at the 200mg/week dosage--good sex drive and build muscle relatively well. Well, my PCP decides he wants me to go to another specialist and finds one that takes my insurance. This new doc cuts me back to 200mg every 2 weeks. I get to the end of two weeks, and I feel tired, no drive to do anything, no sex drive. I have my level checked with my PCP, and it came back 934. The specialist tells me that is to be expected after being up so high all the time and then you come down. I'm thinking, "Normal guys go around having no drive, etc. like this?" If this doesn't change, I will insist he put me back on my old dosage.

There was a thread about measuring free testosterone levels being 10x more accurate than total levels. Supposedly, you can test out of the range and still have a low free test level in which case you actually need more. My results didn't seem to list the free test levels so I'm going to ask about that. These docs do freak out about prescribing testosterone at all. I have yet to find one that doesn't.

Just curious, with your HRT. When your levels are high at 1700 or 2200 do you require any anti-estrogen meds? If so does your PCP give you a script, or do you manage it yourself? It is true with all the buzz about steriods, docs are very tentative nowadays.

 

[Krom]

Its good to hear stuff like this. Great post. I've made some good gains with low doses of test Cyp.

 

[GoneForever]

No, this is my PCP. I didn't want my levels down so low while waiting to see my new HRT doc, but wanted to check how much they went up. He has to keep them between 400-850 is cutoff. He is not HRT doc an goes by what the in the physcian desk referrance says. Alot of these PCP fear getting in trouble prescribing more that is needed and follow the guidlines to the T. So he figured give only 100mg next time to stay between 400-850. Can a PCP really justify keeping you up in the 1300's.

Funny thing is I don't feel any differant at 1300 than at 160. Still no sex drive and I ma tired. Im going to have to have the HRT doc test for prolactin and some other things when I see him.

Get estrogen,progesterone and prolactin checked. But also get DHEA checked. Ive found many people who had low test had very low dhea as well and it didnt increase on hrt.

 

[Frank-Oh]

I have health care (United). How do I go about being tested, and it still being all covered by insurance?

 

[mature muscle]

amen bro also works for (deca tren-a and eq)

 

[saudades]

Just curious, with your HRT. When your levels are high at 1700 or 2200 do you require any anti-estrogen meds? If so does your PCP give you a script, or do you manage it yourself? It is true with all the buzz about steriods, docs are very tentative nowadays.

Nope. I have never needed any anti-estrogens even with that high of a level. I've even done a cycle of 1g of test without any anti-e.

 

[phatkid77]

first, im thinking testing 5 days later is wrong... of course its high...test on day 7 before your next shot!!
can take up to 12 weeks to feel all the effects of HRT, but i felt it around 4 or 5 wks

definitely get E2, prolactin, Free T3 and free T4 levels checked...

phats

 

[dragonfire101]

first, im thinking testing 5 days later is wrong... of course its high...test on day 7 before your next shot!!
can take up to 12 weeks to feel all the effects of HRT, but i felt it around 4 or 5 wks

definitely get E2, prolactin, Free T3 and free T4 levels checked...

phats

I usually get those checked. Last time they were all within normal. I seen the new Endo today. He said PCP should have sent me for blood work to test levels couples days before next inj, which would have been another week. Also the inj was just a boost to the T-gel I was taking. PCP was going to do a 200mg Inj EOW and 50mg Test Gel a day, but new Edno has differnt plans. Endo said if going for blood work don't go after applying the GEl as levels will be very high up to 4hrs after application and then gradually taper. So next time he said go for the blood work before daily application of gel.

He is sending me for additional blood work that hasn't been checked in awhile all of teh above and cortisol also. He is having me try out some Testosterone Troche. These are oral lozenges that disolve in your mouth. Grape flavor Test is suppose to lkick in fast. Maybe take 2 ED. Where going to try these and see how i do with them or will do a combination of these and the Gel. He may change my synthroid to Armour also.